Ask me, I've done it! and have been married for 3 years happily!

[vwrw]

Foul, disgusting... AND deluded!

Deluded is that one who time from time lives in his imaginary world, in utopia for example. 

Usually psychically sick people begin to feel worse at spring. Probably at this year your crisis begun earlier. Contact a doctor, he would give you some medicine and you could turn back at your utopia.

[SANDRO43]

Perhaps we can offer a challenge to Eduard. We name a client and he can show his talent by getting this client hooked up.
How about.... Prince Alfie ? 

Don't forget Christian .

[Misha]

Tick Tick Tick...  only time will tell with you!    

Kuna, this applies to EVERYBODY, yourself included. 

[Gator]

With a few of us it was TICK TICK TICK... BOOM.  

Reload. 

TICK TICK TICK ....BOOM.  

Reload again.

[Gator]

Quotes from another thread

Gator,

I learned a long time ago not to argue with a RW.

I/O responded,

I suggest learning to argue like the devil with them, BUT also learn to wait for tomorrow for their real answer because the answer you get today often ain't the same…..It is almost laughable, in fact it often is, the way they argue the point over nothing only to come back sometime later with an action demonstrating the opposite view from the one they were so fiercely defending.

I/O, two questions:

-   Does your guideline apply to RM as well?

-   If yes, does “tomorrow” come before or after 30 pages of BS?

Maybe "wait for tomorrow" means to shutup, leave the room, and not mention it again.  I know that is KenC's advice.

[ScottinCrimea]

If you insist on them agreeing with you during the first portion of the "debate", forget it because it just ain't gonna happen.  To insist such will just piss them off, and I'd rather be in the room with a pissed off Bengal tiger.  You have to know when to walk away, as KenC mentioned.  Sometimes the only way I know that I've gotten my point across is when I hear her repeating my point of view to others.  But I know better than to expect her to admit she's wronbg, and I don't press for it. It will just start a whole new round.  It's much better to be loved than to be right.

[KenC]

If you insist on them agreeing with you during the first portion of the "debate", forget it because it just ain't gonna happen.  To insist such will just piss them off, and I'd rather be in the room with a pissed off Bengal tiger.  You have to know when to walk away, as KenC mentioned.  Sometimes the only way I know that I've gotten my point across is when I hear her repeating my point of view to others.  But I know better than to expect her to admit she's wronbg, and I don't press for it. It will just start a whole new round.  It's much better to be loved than to be right.

Exactly, Scott!
There NEVER will be an admission of wrong doing or an acknowledgment that you were correct EVER!.  You MAY notice a slight change in behavior the following days (in your favor) but that is about all you can ever hope for.
KenC

[vwrw]

98% of arguments we had with Turbo were about management of corporation. So as most of my time I spend learning different aspects of management I find information which witnesses in support of Turbo’s or my opinions. Of course in 90% the found information witnessed that I was wrong and I admitted it to Turbo to as only it became clear to me.

[I/O]

I/O, two questions:

-   Does your guideline apply to RM as well?

Dunno, never slept with one.

-   does “tomorrow” come before or after 30 pages of BS?

Sometimes.

Gator FWIW, as far as I am concerned, personal right or wrong is not the issue, getting the best result is important and generally speaking she does acknowledge/support that. I don't really care if it is my view or not, but I do care about the outcome. I guess I am pretty much a "bottom line" type and at this stage, by and large she is also.

Regardless, another point that comes back to me time and again (I saw it very early when we first spent time together) is that if one is disciplined enough to quarantine a heated discussion within the borders of that discussion and then drop the emotions at the end of that discussion, I have never in my life before seen a woman who is so capable of doing exactly the same. (Leaving a disagreement within the bounds of that disagreement) It is a superb quality and something to respect and treasure.

I/O

[Gator]

Thanks guys (and gal VWRW) for your observations about spirited discussions with RW.  However, I was wondering how this approach would work with Eduard, not with RW.  For 30 pages people have argued with him and I have seen little change. 

Maybe we should leave him alone, let him get the last word in, and see what he does without our constant nagging.  For sure he knows what to do by now.

[William3rd]

Yeah- Eddie knows exactly what to do now. Open a brand new thread and fill it with his postings from proto clients about what a stand up guy he is. . . .
and for 1500 a week, he is all YOURS!!!!!

[BillyB]

Guys,

You're going to scare all the newbies away implying RW are unapologetic know it all's who'd rip you a new a@@hole if you get into an argument with them. My fiancee is polite, never gets loud and apologizes when she does wrong. Heck, she apologizes for things that I don't even consider wrong like one time she missed her regularly scheduled letter to me.

I've also met other RW who allows their man to be a MAN. My fiancee's brother is adored by his girlfriend. A good woman knows if she makes her husband feel small and/or puts him down, she's taking away his manhood piece by piece and eroding their relationship. My fiancee said she trusts me and I get to make the decisions. Of course I've earned that trust first. Newbies need to thoroughly get to know their woman before marriage. Some RW will run you over if you aren't strong enough and others will think it a waste to argue with you will simply leave you without looking back.

A 25 yo Russian man I know in Tashkent has recently dumped his 19 yo girlfriend after his friend saw her meeting another man outside. I was sure they were going to marry the last time I seen them. The girlfriend came to my fiancee and cried and said she never cheated on her man. My fiancee said that could be true but she is a young woman and with the male attention she was getting, did something stupid by meeting with a guy outside in view of others and she lost her man. Maybe it's the Russian mentality for both men and women to quickly cut your losses when seeing something bad and that probably explains the high divorce rate in the FSU.

If some of you guys find yourself in constant arguments with your lady, all I can say is don't go to bed angry, it's better for your health. If you find yourself wanting to say something harmful, wait 24 hrs and think, you'll find out it ain't worth it.

[BC]

Guys,

You're going to scare all the newbies away implying RW are unapologetic know it all's who'd rip you a new a@@hole if you get into an argument with them. My fiancee is polite, never gets loud and apologizes when she does wrong. Heck, she apologizes for things that I don't even consider wrong like one time she missed her regularly scheduled letter to me.

Wow.. my wife was quite the same.. -before we got married.

 

[Kuna]

Kuna, this applies to EVERYBODY, yourself included. 

Thanks for stating the obvious... the difference is I have never created a huge story in an attempt to continue an attack on a member and been a proven liar. 

Contrary to what vwrw might believe...  this thread isn't about her though.  It is about another "Russian soul" and his potential flirting with truth and reality.

I'm still waiting to see if this turns into another vwrw/MIla/Turbo fiasco (Sorry, can't come up with a better name for "that" event).

[vwrw]

I'm still waiting to see if this turns into another vwrw/MIla/Turbo fiasco (Sorry, can't come up with a better name for "that" event).

You are NOT waiting. You are TRYING to turn this thread into other discussion about a mistake in judgment we made.

I pity you; you probably have very miserable life as any person who disable to move on.

[Misha]

Thanks for stating the obvious... the difference is I have never created a huge story in an attempt to continue an attack on a member and been a proven liar. 

Contrary to what vwrw might believe...  this thread isn't about her though.  It is about another "Russian soul" and his potential flirting with truth and reality.

Well, this is the internet after all. For all I know your story could be just be that a huge story. What I was trying to point out is that you pointed to your "success" and then turn around to critique Eduard and others. Perhaps my soul has become too Russian and I am always nervous as to becoming too boastful too quickly. If you spoke Russian I would ask: "Ты не боишься все это глазить?" Translation: Are you not afraid of jinxing yourself?

[Gator]

I'm still waiting to see if this turns into another vwrw/MIla/Turbo fiasco

Scab picking never does any good.

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