Intoduction.

[ares]

Hey people, I'm George & I'm a recent victim of a scam involving a young Russian girl. I sent her USD$3000.00 to come to Australia, but sadly she didn't turn up at Sydney airport where I waited for her overnight. She emailed five days later to tell me that she lost USD$800.00 on her way to the airport & had to turn back. She also asked me if I could send her more money & threatened to work as a prostitute if I refused.
I'm single, live alone & do volunteer work. I admire the Slavic beauty of the Russian ladies & hope one day to meet one in real space. I'm still not 100% certain that this girl is a scammer. I recently ordered some candy for her to see if she's real & lives at the address she stipulated in her emails. I'll keep you posted of the outcome. If she turns out not to be there, then that has to be final evidence of her guilt.

[Jazzyclassy]

Dear Ares she is a scammer for sure, how can a girl never seen a man before demanding him to send her 3000 $???? that is nonsense, never send her anything , stop doing this and you well you need to move on and just be prepared that you wont find this scammer and wont be able to take your money back , just this is your lesson , it is hard way to learn the situation , but for some people God sends such situations for them just to finally understand who is who

Best wishes and good luck to you

[I/O]

Ares: The only good thing in your story is that you have found RWD before you make any more mistakes. Read the FAQ section through and through a few times and then see how you feel about this whole idea.

I/O

[KenC]

ares,
Sorry but the "final evidence of guilt" is that she didn't show up in Oz after sending her $3K.  She has some balls to still try for another $800!

Welcome to RWD.  READ, READ AND THEN READ SOME MORE.
KenC

[Simoni]

I'm still not 100% certain that this girl is a scammer. I recently ordered some candy for her to see if she's real & lives at the address she stipulated in her emails. I'll keep you posted of the outcome. If she turns out not to be there, then that has to be final evidence of her guilt.

Yes, Ares, she is a scammer.  Even if she lives where she says she lives.

Forget her and move on.

And never ever send money to a girl you don't know again.

You'll read that 1,000 times here at RWD.  Just wish you had read it before getting scammed.

Good luck in the future.

[Rvrwind]

then that has to be final evidence of her guilt.

There is enough evidence already pointing to her guilt.
You have been scammed, move on & you will be the better for it.

[BillyB]

I'm still not 100% certain that this girl is a scammer. I recently ordered some candy for her to see if she's real & lives at the address she stipulated in her emails.

ares, you are in lust to still have faith in that the person you're communicating with is possibly telling the truth and will visit you. You wouldn't send $3000 to a man who said he was going to visit you, would you? Sadly and unkowingly, all this time you may have been trading love letters with another man.

ares, stick around and read, you'll find answers on how to find a real and sincere RW the correct way. A sincere woman wouldn't ask for your money but invite you to visit her friends and relatives.

[SANDRO43]

Any connection with the god that the Romans called Mars, who also got his nose partly tweaked off ?

[Simoni]

A sincere woman wouldn't ask for your money but invite you to visit her friends and relatives.

This is but one more example of why a man should
NEVER
have a first meeting with a woman in a neutral country.
ALWAYS
meet her first in her
HOME
country.

[Jumper]

I'm still not 100% certain that this girl is a scammer.

you can rest quite assured that it is a scam.
There is absolutely no doubt of it.
NO DOUBT AT ALL. NONE.

I recently ordered some candy for her to see if she's real & lives at the address she stipulated in her emails.

that only proves it's a "she" and that she lives at the address she gave you.

she still scammed you , for a lot of money,
 and tried to scam you a bit more even..
giving you some truths with the lies is of course naturaL.in any decent con or scam attempt.
 

I'll keep you posted of the outcome. If she turns out not to be there, then that has to be final evidence of her guilt

she is guilty of scamming you.There is no doubt.

you should be pissed at yourself for being foolish ,and her for deceiving you..
but most importantly concentrating on *moving on*

trying to prove anything now , is just wasting more time and energy on a thief.
and a thief that her own police will likely not even look into..
so a  completely futile exercise , as you will get no satisfaction or justice.

you will only give yourself a chance of believing her story, and being scammed further...

not that it matters now,
but did you speak with her on the phone?
how long did you correspond?

if you give a snipet of her letters,
or her name,
folks here can research it on scam sites to see if she is listed already,
if not,
 i'd advise listing her to keep others for falling into the same trap.
and having the same heartache you have.


and finally-

Sorry to hear you got taken..

[timothe]

Hey people, I'm George & I'm a recent victim of a scam involving a young Russian girl. I sent her USD$3000.00 to come to Australia, but sadly she didn't turn up at Sydney airport where I waited for her overnight. She emailed five days later to tell me that she lost USD$800.00 on her way to the airport & had to turn back. She also asked me if I could send her more money & threatened to work as a prostitute if I refused.
I'm single, live alone & do volunteer work. I admire the Slavic beauty of the Russian ladies & hope one day to meet one in real space. I'm still not 100% certain that this girl is a scammer. I recently ordered some candy for her to see if she's real & lives at the address she stipulated in her emails. I'll keep you posted of the outcome. If she turns out not to be there, then that has to be final evidence of her guilt.

George, it is possible that you can meet the lady of your dreams in the Former Soviet Union.  (FSU)  However, you need to set your mind to the idea that you must go to FSU, not the other way around. 

Lots of guys have been scammed for much more than $3000.  Don't sweat it, you'll make more tomorrow.  But getting to the bottom of your most recent encounter will not get you closer to the ultimate goal of meeting and marrying a beautiful and loving woman from the FSU.

Read everything you can on this site and then develop a plan.  Feel free to use the board to ask questions. 

This adventure is not an easy one and not all can tame these wonderful ladies, but for those of us still doing the deal, it is worth the price paid. 

[jj]

ares- welcome to board.  Alot of us had to learn the hard way. This board will will give you some good opinions on these type of scammers.  She figured that as long as you sent her 3,000, then you were good for another 800. She had nothing to lose by trying to squeeze some more out of you.  I dated an AW like that one time, but quickly cut off all communication once I told myself  "I don't need this sort of crap going on"
but not to worry, many possibilities of RW out there for you if you make the trip and see if there is a connection, but only pay for YOUR tickets to start.

[Gator]

Ares,

I disagree with everyone else. 

You should write her and ask her for her business telephone number.  Inform her that you will come to her country soon and be her first customer in her new profession of prostitution.

Say you will gladly pay her $800 for hooker services.  Dependent upon where she lives, that could be equal to about 4-8 days of work for her.  She should be very happy with such guaranteed work.   

Add that this time you want to be kissed before you are fu_ked; last time you did not get a kiss.

[ares]

I have done my research. Helpful sources have informed me that she is indeed a scammer. I have recovered albeit heavily from the predicament & began correspondence with several American & Russian women. I look back now not so much in anger as sorrow for this girl who has sunk to this level. You have to admit that you'll have to be fairly desperate to commit such fraud. I think the girl has merits but I've always been inclined to see the good rather than the bad in people. Maybe it's wishful thinking. She'll make a good politician. Are they any better with their lies & hypocrisy.
Yes, relating to women is like politics. They are the politicians & we are the crowd who vote them in. A crowd of men after the same captivating beauty. I still sadly look at the girl's photos & wander what she's doing at the present moment. I like Gator's metaphor. Being a soldier he leaves nothing to be imagined. At least he's honest. There's a self destructive element in all of us. As Aristotle said you know you are doing wrong yet you persist in doing it. Thanks for your feedback. Cheers, George
 

[Shadow]

Ares look at the pictures once more and then realise that the person in these never wrote you, and does not know you exist.
Then picture a Russian guy who is sitting behind a computer in a luxury apartment. He is smiling,because he just spend your money on a gift for his mistress. But there are already 4 new guys like you that will send money soon.

[I/O]

George:

As a fellow Aussie, "Pull yer priggen head in", there ain't no SHE. 99.999% of the time you are dealing with Boris and brothers inc. You are only looking at photos and communicating with computer software cleverly designed to read, scan and reply to the key aspects of your letters. Once it gets to the "Money" hit stage, Boris takes over and deals with you personally until he has flushed you for all he can get.

George, my wife (Whilst she was still in Russia) checked out an address for an American guy who had been touched the same way and address was real enough but only populated (So far as she could establish) by a group of guys who seemed to be doing regular trips to banks and western union agents. Nothing of course is proven because she didn't delve much other than to look from a distance, but it seemed like a pretty classical situation. George they are well set up and know what they are doing.

Having said that, there is some women involved in that also and please don't feel sorry for them. They are no better than a street dog who steals your lunch and schits on your tucker box. The wouldn't have the slightest twinge of guilt and would be simply grinning whilst stashing or spending your loot.

I feel dreadfully sorry for you because I have seen it all before and the devastation it causes. Chin up digger and waste not another thought on this crew of crooks. Delete the photos because you really would have no idea who they belong to.

Get on reading around here and get wised up, then you have an outside chance of playing the real game. You're 3400 smackers and a few hundred hours up the schit shoot, but hey it probably cost more to get your driving licence, what with scrapes and costs, so the world ain't gunna end.

The trick to finding gold, and it is out there, is to dig very deeply and keep your powder (Money) dry until you need to do some blasting. That is, you blasting off for a meeting or three. No need to cash up prior to that stage. A real Russian woman, of the calibre you want, will NOT be too keen to see you splash your hard earned around, much less will her pride allow her to ask you for 1 single copper. They just don't do it.

I am no great fan of agents, never have been, but in your particular situation, having very limited knowledge of how things work in Russia, I am inclined to advise you to search out a decent agent (That can be an exercise in and of itself) and get some direct help from them. Go visit and meet a lady or two and see if this is really for you. What you have spent thus far would have all but paid for a short trip and lodgings from here. Worst that would have happened was you had a holiday. IMO that is the smart way to go. Get butt on plane and feet on ground.

George, my wife almost cried when she read your opening post, all she could say was, "Poooooor Man" and she considers it an absolute shame to Russia and a blight on Russian women. Point is, there is good women there who simply never imagine pulling this sort of stunt. They are the group you need to tap into. Get help and do just that. Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, get reading, there is loads of free help here and these guys can be a bit rough and tumble sometimes, but they have hearts of gold and will help you look out for yourself. Stick around, you'll be glad you did in a year or so.

I/O

[BillyB]

I I look back now not so much in anger as sorrow for this girl who has sunk to this level. You have to admit that you'll have to be fairly desperate to commit such fraud.

ares, you keep blaming that a girl scammed you. How do you know this? You still don't know all the details of what has just happened.

You see a desperate girl to commit such a fraud and pity her. I see a couple of guys laughing their heads off bragging to their friends on how they send a couple of love letters and pics of women with their legs open to Western men and thousands of dollars are coming their way in return.

In the FSU, some people will not look at those scammers actions as wrong or desperate but clever and look at your actions in sending money as being wrong and desperate. The sooner you learn some people want to take advantage of you, the sooner you will be able to tell the good people from the bad and you will be able to make a better decision on who you're really dealing with. Let people earn your trust before you give it next time.

[ares]

The girl is a known scammer. She could be part of a gang - she supplies the photos, collects the money etc.. Someone with a passport had to collect the money. I wrote her name on the transfer. The girl is not a fiction. She really exists. I've deleted her photos & try not to think about her.
Her email just found me at a bad moment. I have to accept responsibility for my behaviour. But as you pointed out many have fallen victim to such scams, so I shouldn't feel too guilty about it.
Anyway thank you all for your feedback. I like visiting here. I've found a community of decent people who have known about if not had similar experiences, & can help me get back on the right track.
I'm usually a very careful person & aware of rip offs, but that cursed email just found me at a bad moment. Cheers, George

[Shadow]

If you really still believe she exists then start investigation with WU about who picked up and signed for the money you sent, check if they took a copy of the passport involved. You will probably be amazed.

And do not feel bad for getting caught out. It shows not (just) foolishness but that you are a caring person Compared to what people spend on trips and other things, this is not a high amount to lose

[Turboguy]

George, the travel and visa scam such as you fell for is a Billion dollar business.   A good scammer can correspond with up to 1100 men simultaneously and they have no compassion for anyone.   Most have a nice 6 digit income, they pay Babushka's a small fee to cash checks for them and for them is is purely a numbers game.

[I/O]

The girl is a known scammer. She could be part of a gang - she supplies the photos, collects the money etc.. Someone with a passport had to collect the money. I wrote her name on the transfer. The girl is not a fiction. She really exists.

George the name you wrote on the Westernalia Unionova transfers could have been anyone, as another poster pointed out, someone being paid a small fee to collect the money or an employee of the scammer or group. As Turbo says, it is a billion dollar business.

You have found a group of very decent people here by and large. We argue like cats and dogs, but it all boils down to trying to find/advise the safest way to go about this because most of us understand that it can be really worth it if you can make it through the maze.

These American guys on here are examples of what I have come to know and love in Americans over the past decade from several trips there. Most of them would fit right in down here, because as rough as they can get sometimes, they know how to stick with their mates when the chips are down.

There is no perfect way to do this, but some ways work and some don't. For more recent examples, I'd suggest you search out a few of Kuna's and Maxxum's threads/posts. Both of them seemed to work through the process pretty logically with a minimum of fuss or bother.

I'd of course read the FAQ section and search out a few posts from JB, Groov, KenC and the other ol' boys who have been around the traps a while. Perhaps then you might start to formulate a workable plan if you still want to go this route and put it up for the guys to shoot holes in. Beleive me, we will, but it will be worth it.

All the best and chin up digger. You will look back and smile at some stage.................

I/O

[ares]

I have something about me, an aura of generosity or simply someone who can be taken. I've been contacted by another scammer, believe it or not. This should give you guys food for posts. A beautiful British model approached me via an internet site, gave me her email address, wrote me a letter & then fresshly asked me to send her a WUMT for USD$800.00 to pay for her hotel bill. Are you guys laughing. I am!. Because this time I put it to her that if you want me to help you you have to marry me. Who is laughing. I am!. She uploaded photos of herself & British passport, & was about to do the same with her birth certificate when I told her you can forget the whole thing as you are no better than a crook, when she stopped. I deleted her & filed a complaint with the internet site. Cheers, George

[I/O]

I deleted her & filed a complaint with the internet site. Cheers, George

George, you are making progress, you will learn over time to simply hit the delete button because there is too many of them to bother filing the complaints.

I don't know what sites you are using, but I'd suggest you have a look at www.elenasmodels.com which is owned by a Russian lady and her South African husband who live with their two children on the Gold Coast here in Aus. The site is not perfect, no site is, but it is among the better ones IMO.

I/O