A good example of a client I WON't take

[Eduard]

I took out his name...but his spelling is unreal and his expectations are unrealistic in my opinion. What are your thoughts?

hi my name is John Dow and i am retired from the us armey and my wife died from cancer 14 years ago and i wold like to marrie a woman from rusura so if you cold get me in tuch with a woman from rusura i wold apreat it i want to get marred ageen to a yong gril from there i am 61 but i dont fell that old i did get married to a gril in the usa that just wanted my money i half a 5 year old son that i half full costy of wheen we got devorced she said here is your son i dont want to rase him so i got sole full costy of him and i want a wife that can half  chrildren so he well half a sister or a brother i dont like the wemen here and i want a women that is for me and not my money my nick name is john thank you  john

Well I thought I'd at least find out more info and I wrote:
Hi,
How young a gril are you looking for?

he wrote back:
i am looking for a woman that can half chrildren between the age of 18 to 35 thank you john

I wrote:
sorry, I don't believe i can help you, good luck

[mervin]

At the very least you should have taken a telephone call from him to see if he speaks any better than he writes!

[Eduard]

At the very least you should have taken a telephone call from him to see if he speaks any better than he writes!

that's a scary thought!!! :hairraising:

[Lily]

Ed, my guess would be that your question may be excessive. The guy is totally inarticulate at his 61, I wonder what his profession has been in the army so that it has beaten every meaning out of his mind 

It does not matter what his requirements for a wife are. More than that, you are right about being scared of an idea to communicate to him as he may be not safe to deal with..

Written communication is a great thing to weed out people. Once I met online a very good looking Floridian working in real estate business, who wrote me in a style like this: 'I Have A NiCe HomE! hErE ARe a fEw PIctuRes! HoPE! You LiKe tHem" I have never though that anyone is able to write like this, and I wrote him back telling that I smile every time when read them, and he seems to have a remarkable writing style that I've never seen before. Of note, I was not criticising at all. However, he replied in a rather angry mood telling that if I don't like his writing, we better not correspond  well, I decided not to reassure him ..

[Gator]

Eduard,

Your man John seems mentally handicapped.  Do you know about the  Disability Discrimination Act (DDA)?  As a business owner, you must comply with this law.

[Gator]

Relax, it was a joke.

[Taz]

Sadly I've met men that actually speak like this while in Russia and Ukraine. Perhaps the would be better off with a tour. Quite honestly though I'd prefer not to take this kind of customer as almost no good can come out of it.

If you try and do it out of mercy remember the cardinal rule "no good deed goes unpunished!"

[Eduard]

Ed, my guess would be that your question may be excessive. The guy is totally inarticulate at his 61, I wonder what his profession has been in the army so that it has beaten every meaning out of his mind 

It does not matter what his requirements for a wife are. More than that, you are right about being scared of an idea to communicate to him as he may be not safe to deal with..

Written communication is a great thing to weed out people. Once I met online a very good looking Floridian working in real estate business, who wrote me in a style like this: 'I Have A NiCe HomE! hErE ARe a fEw PIctuRes! HoPE! You LiKe tHem" I have never though that anyone is able to write like this, and I wrote him back telling that I smile every time when read them, and he seems to have a remarkable writing style that I've never seen before. Of note, I was not criticising at all. However, he replied in a rather angry mood telling that if I don't like his writing, we better not correspond  well, I decided not to reassure him ..

Daaaaa! tupih pridurkov tut tozhe hvataet 
no ya ih bistro otseevayu...ya tozhe vo Floride zhivu kstati...uzhas kak podumayu, shto cherez paru nedel' letet' v Rossiyu...u nas tut +27 segodnya bilo. Skolko seychas v moskve?

[Eduard]

Eduard,

Your man John seems mentally handicapped.  Do you know about the  Disability Discrimination Act (DDA)?  As a business owner, you must comply with this law.

sorry gator, i thought you were talking about my client in the video...my bad...
it's just that I changed that  guy's name to john dow to protect his identity, so i didn't associate your post with him, rather my client-John...sorry bud, my bad

[Lily]

Ed, wouldn't you want to supplement your post with an English translation?  

On your weather question, it is nicely snowy in Moscow with about a zero grad C now.

[Eduard]

Ed, wouldn't you want to supplement your post with an English translation?  

On your weather question, it is nicely snowy in Moscow with about a zero grad C now.

No Lil'chik, pust' rabotayut, perevodyat, mozgami shevelyat...im polezno!

[Lily]

John is an extreemly smart, well educated, fearless and a fun person, who probably makes 3 times what you make and I woldn't be surprised if his IQ was 3 times higher as well. We made good friends after our trip together as I do with almost all of my clients, so I don't appreciate you talking this way about my friends.  

Oh yes. Absolutely. How can we not notice?  

Indeed, a lot of artistic talent is needed for a smart, educated upscale person in order to make an impression that he is an idiot borderline mentally challenged.  

Would you Eduard consider to introduce your friend to Petya Listerman in Moscow who keeps a file with most beautiful Russian model-like girls?  

[Daveman]

Sadly I've met men that actually speak like this while in Russia and Ukraine. Perhaps the would be better off with a tour. Quite honestly though I'd prefer not to take this kind of customer as almost no good can come out of it.

If you try and do it out of mercy remember the cardinal rule "no good deed goes unpunished!"

I only saw I think two other Americans when I did the Omsk visit in March.. they were actually quite decent folk.. I guess we were the only fools crazy enough to do a Siberian visit in late winter.. While thoroughly enjoyable to actually see more than an inch of snowfall and "white" winter, I must admit this southern boy spent a good bit of the trip flat on his backside.. but I digress..

During my extended summer/fall Ukraine visit, I met maybe 50 or more Americans.  While I'm certainly not genetically related to Einstein or even close, some of these guys were incredibly stupid.  I would say less than half were intelligent, articulate, seeming to possess a modicum of social grace.  I can see where our reputation as disrespectful stupid foreigners originates. 

LiLy, MaYBe YoU ShOuLD haVe AsKed hiM tO MEeT oN WeB cAm.. MaYBe HiS HeaD Is oDdLy ShApEd?     Many younger people write that way here.. luckily the fad is fading, but it certainly is annoying...

Gator... that was funny as hell..

[Eduard]

Sadly I've met men that actually speak like this while in Russia and Ukraine. Perhaps the would be better off with a tour. Quite honestly though I'd prefer not to take this kind of customer as almost no good can come out of it.

If you try and do it out of mercy remember the cardinal rule "no good deed goes unpunished!"

majority of Russian women are very smart and very well educated with at least one or two degrees. If they don't have help from someone fluent in both languages and just go on chemistry and a certain amount of romantism associated with meeting a foreigner this could spell a disaster for them. Once they are married to this sort of guy and figure out that his IQ intelligence and education are way below their's they will lose all respect for this man and they will leave him for sure. I believe it's important to qualify men clients as well as the women.

[Lily]

majority of Russian women are very smart and very well educated with at least one or two degrees.
 

Degrees looks OK, but how about at least one or two foreign languages? 

[Eduard]

Oh yes. Absolutely. How can we not notice?  

Indeed, a lot of artistic talent is needed for a smart, educated upscale person in order to make an impression that he is an idiot borderline mentally challenged.  

Would you Eduard consider to introduce your friend to Petya Listerman in Moscow who keeps a file with most beautiful Russian model-like girls?  

Lilichka,
I would consider looking at anything that might be good for my clients. But I have to tell you that usually I advice my clients to stay away from those "model like girls" since in my experience they are trouble. I think that they are a lot better off finding an "average looking" Russian girl which is only considered  Average in Russia. Any average Russian girl becomes  a beautiful "model like" girl when she comes to the USA compared to Average American women, but without the attitude, questionable background and bad habits of a "model like" girl...wouldn't you agree?

[I/O]

but without the attitude, questionable background and bad habits of a "model like" girl...wouldn't you agree?

And what exactly would that "Attitude, Questionable background and bad habits" of a model like girl be?

I/O

[Lily]

Lilichka,
I would consider looking at anything that might be good for my clients. But I have to tell you that usually I advice my clients to stay away from those "model like girls" since in my experience they are trouble. I think that they are a lot better off finding an "average looking" Russian girl which is only considered  Average in Russia. Any average Russian girl becomes  a beautiful "model like" girl when she comes to the USA compared to Average American women, but without the attitude, questionable background and bad habits of a "model like" girl...wouldn't you agree?

Agree.  Some girls look great in a photoshoot only.

On the expression 'model-like girl'...i think by this people just mean the very good looking girls that are a delight to look at. The women who can make the male hearts, and not only hearts, beat stronger. The expression 'model' in a matchmaking context is nothing else but a marketing term that is aimed to attract men.

Also agree on the attitude, demeanor, manners. Without them, a natural beauty looks bleak.

[Eduard]

And what exactly would that "Attitude, Questionable background and bad habits" of a model like girl be?

I/O

Do I acgtually have to explain this one??? I thought this was pretty self-explanaory

[I/O]

Do I acgtually have to explain this one??? I thought this was pretty self-explanaory

AcGtually, yes. Seems to be implying guys should aim second class. Seems to be a massive generalisation. Seems to be a throw away line or it wouldn't be a problem to explain.

What precisely is wrong with a woman who is "Model Like". At least two guys I know of here on RWD are married to girls who were either head hunted as models or had some time modeling. (I've spoken to both women personally) In both cases those women are among the more morally conservative one would find in Russia. (Or anywhere for that matter)

Aim second class and you are sure to succeed.

I/O

[Eduard]

AcGtually, yes. Seems to be implying guys should aim second class. Seems to be a massive generalisation. Seems to be a throw away line or it wouldn't be a problem to explain.

What precisely is wrong with a woman who is "Model Like". At least two guys I know of here on RWD are married to girls who were either head hunted as models or had some time modeling. (I've spoken to both women personally) In both cases those women are among the more morally conservative one would find in Russia. (Or anywhere for that matter)

Aim second class and you are sure to succeed.

I/O

Well, I think that most women will find your comment extremely offensive!!!
Why in the world would you say that if a woman doesn't have a model look she is "second class"???
you are speaking of me making a "massive generalization" yet you just made a colossal generalization yourself.
I have dated model-like girls in the past and I'm speaking from my own experience. When I was finally ready to settle down and have children I found my wife who by Moscow standart would probably be average, but to me she is sexy and beautiful. Also very well educated, smart, loyal a great mother and a true partner in life. Just because she is not a model looking one you are calling her second class??? how dare you?

[BillyB]

Ed, If not you, some other agency is going to help that man. It could be a scam agency that will rob him or if he finds a woman that would marry him, it'll probably be a gold digger or green card girl and we don't need him to import those kind of girls here, we've got enough of them already. The best thing you can do is send him a link to this forum and read. If he wants to participate, we could send the Army retiree through another boot camp to get him in better mental shape.

[Daveman]

majority of Russian women are very smart and very well educated with at least one or two degrees.

Well, "smart" and "well educated" are not mutually inclusive.  How many well educated dingbats do you know running rampant in the world? Perhaps the majority have higher education, but the majority also seem to suffer from stubbornness and closed mindedness, which, IMO, are merely more complex forms of stupidity.  I'm sure the majority of the men here would/will disagree with this and that's fine as we are each entitled to define our search criteria variables.  I choose to believe (at least for now) that contrary to common accepted theories some very intelligent AND open minded FSU women do exist.  Those are the ones *I* would consider to be smart and highly desirable.  But, I'm still learning so my opinions, conjectures, and theories are subject to change without notice by being walloped by a good dose of reality.  We'll see.

Directness is fine and appreciated. Closed mindedness is just ugly.

... Once they are married to this sort of guy and figure out that his IQ intelligence and education are way below their's they will lose all respect for this man and they will leave him for sure. I believe it's important to qualify men clients as well as the women.

Does this *really* happen? It seems if the two have any observational ability the intelligence level could be determined fairly accurately rather quickly.  I can't imagine two people going through the process, all the way to marriage, and then living together for some time to suddenly have the epiphany "gee, you're an idiot.. I want a divorce"..  That just seems so far fetched.  Yeah, married to someone who turns out to be different (mean, abusive, whatever), but intelligence? how could one miss that? While discussing the eleven dimensions of the Theory of Everything might be out of reach, intellectual clues are hard to miss.

"model looks" are nice but far overrated, again IMO and to each his own. It has been my experience that there is what seems to be a direct correlation between a woman's physical beauty and her sense of entitlement.  Of course a generalization and not always true.  This trend also seems to be becoming more prevalent in FSU as well. Not nearly as ridiculous as in the US maybe, but headed that way I think which will make 'sweet' beautiful ladies more difficult to find.

I say go for the girl you want.. if model looks are important to you, don't settle for anything less until you find that model with the personality you want.  I like cute and giggly personally, but I've always been weird.

[Eduard]

Ed, If not you, some other agency is going to help that man. It could be a scam agency that will rob him or if he finds a woman that would marry him, it'll probably be a gold digger or green card girl and we don't need him to import those kind of girls here, we've got enough of them already. The best thing you can do is send him a link to this forum and read. If he wants to participate, we could send the Army retiree through another boot camp to get him in better mental shape.

Billy, great example of positive attitude, but i think that this guy is beyond help, and this forum is unlikely to change that, unless Sandro decides to dedicate the rest of his life rehabilitating this person. Say we go beyond spelling...did you notice that this 61 yo guy is looking for a girl 18 to 35 to make babies with??? 18????? hello?????

[BillyB]

...did you notice that this 61 yo guy is looking for a girl 18 to 35 to make babies with??? 18????? hello?????

Yep, that's what the boot camp's for, not for the spelling issues.