Ideal Age?

[I/O]

Whether or not you have any respect for BillyB is not my concern.

You've made it your concern by jumping in to support him.

His observations were accurate

Really? If they are so accurate, why has the poster gone to such lengths to defend them and why does it require a moderator to defend those opinions. Seems similar to your opinion, which by you own definition is just that, an opinion, carrying no more or less weight than any other, and needing a defence. Odd wouldn't you say? You have done the same, attempted to defend your opinion which is entirely suggestive you are in no ways certain. If you are so sure you are right, why defend, why not let this so called accuracy simply stand.

the same short cast of characters are always present and always operating under the same M.O.

Is it a case of not liking the MO of consistently calling out BS? That is effectively what you are saying.

You are entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else, and it caries no more or less weight than anyone else's.

This is correct, well done, you got something right, and as such if my opinion is easily swept aside, as it should be, then it shouldn't concern you that my opinion is that your ability as a moderator, if this thread is any example is that of a school child who wants to jump in and help is mate when his mate got himself into strife by his own ignorance or more to the point, in this case lack of experience.

I've nothing against cleaning something up, but the methodology used here by a so called moderator is pathetic at best. Personally I see RWD has having just hit the low point of the year or so I've been around. Moderators jumping in to support lame ducks doesn't do much for the credibility of this place. The precedent is now set and as we have seen, there is an inclination to defend it. I think most feel that mods will put a stop to nonsense when it goes too far, the mod here has simply wittingly or unwittingly tried to ramp it right up with a partisan approach.

However, that is simply my opinion and it will remain such.

I/O

[KenC]

Obviously, they do, it did, and there is. 

If that is you opinion, and it is only an opinion then why not make this comment as a member instead of a MOD?  Kind of gutless if you ask me.
KenC

[KenC]

Whether or not you have any respect for BillyB is not my concern. His observations were accurate (starting 3 pages ago).

Was it the post where Billy is preaching how it is going to be when his fiancee and he get married and if and when she ever comes to America?  Is that the accurate observation?  You know the one where he looks into his crystal ball and forsees the future?  Because that is the one I took exception to.

Over the past several weeks, every time trouble erupts in a thread, the same short cast of characters are always present and always operating under the same M.O.

Oh really now?  Well my MO is is to call out bullsh!t when I see it.  And a member giving insights to how it is going to be in the future qualifies as BS in my book. It warrented what I posted:

With all due respect, Billy, you have no clue until you begin your life together here in this country.

And this causes a sh!tstorm created by Billy?  Come on, get real.

You are entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else, and it caries no more or less weight than anyone else's.

But isn't a moderator supposed to be impartial?
KenC

[catzenmouse]

Why do I get this picture in my head of a group of vultures waiting for something to pounce on?

I guess it would have been too much trouble to take the fight to NHB rather than derail another thread...

Nevermind, no need to answer as it seems to be a waste of time and effort to ask for the nit picky personal agenda fighting to stop.

I'll change my welcome posts to newbies to "Welcome to RussianWomenPissingContest.com!"

Sheesh!

[KenC]

Why do I get this picture in my head of a group of vultures waiting for something to pounce on?

I guess it would have been too much trouble to take the fight to NHB rather than derail another thread...

Nevermind, no need to answer as it seems to be a waste of time and effort to ask for the nit picky personal agenda fighting to stop.

I'll change my welcome posts to newbies to "Welcome to RussianWomenPissingContest.com!"

Sheesh!

Ken,
You are way off the mark if your comments are directed my way.  I have no "agenda" with Billy.  I never had a conflict with him that I can remember.  I took excpetion to his post as it was based on his future projections,  My response was rather polite IMO and then he escalated it.  This was dropped a number of times during this thread but Billy continued the conflict and ruined a good thread. 
KenC

[catzenmouse]

Ken,
You are way off the mark if your comments are directed my way.  I have no "agenda" with Billy.  I never had a conflict with him that I can remember.  I took excpetion to his post as it was based on his future projections,  My response was rather polite IMO and then he escalated it.  This was dropped a number of times during this thread but Billy continued the conflict and ruined a good thread. 
KenC

Won't be the first time I am off base and it won't be the last. I am only going by what I have seen here lately as it seems that more often than not a thread is send spiraling due to the infighting.

[BillyB]

dneid,
  I hope your questions have been answered by now and I apologize for being part of the distraction. Unfortunately your thread is the latest victim of smart a@@ remarks that invite conflict. The diplomatic tongue of the moderators has not worked these past few weeks and based on the last few posts, telling these guys the hard way isn't working either. We're just going to have to tolerate it as these guys don't understand what they do. So get used to the occasional smart a@@ comments and the weekly announcement of the stupidest thing they've ever read. They announce these things because they figure the rest of us isn't smart enough to interpret what we read the same as the guy who tells us what's happening in throughout a movie as we watch it.

Hopefully they learn that pissing people off for a living is going to get their feelings hurt. John Wayne once said, which could be applied to most things you do, "Life is tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid".

[catzenmouse]

because they figure the rest of us isn't smart enough to interpret what we read

<smart @ss / sarcasm on>
 Oh My Gawd! Billy that was the stupidest thing I have ever seen! You used the word isn't with a plural pronoun! What kind of a simplistic idiot are you? UnFreakingBelievable that they let some people have computers!
<smart @ss / sarcasm off>

 

[KenC]

dneid,
  I hope your questions have been answered by now and I apologize for being part of the distraction. Unfortunately your thread is the latest victim of smart a@@ remarks that invite conflict. The diplomatic tongue of the moderators has not worked these past few weeks and based on the last few posts, telling these guys the hard way isn't working either. We're just going to have to tolerate it as these guys don't understand what they do. So get used to the occasional smart a@@ comments and the weekly announcement of the stupidest thing they've ever read. They announce these things because they figure the rest of us isn't smart enough to interpret what we read the same as the guy who tells us what's happening in throughout a movie as we watch it.

Hopefully they learn that pissing people off for a living is going to get their feelings hurt. John Wayne once said, which could be applied to most things you do, "Life is tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid".

Well thar Billy boy (In my best John Wayne voice) life must be awful tough for ya!
KenC
(You f**cked up this thread, nobody else)

[MaxxumUSA]

I just wanted to thank you all for 30minutes of entertainment as I read this thread. 

To the OP's question...

For me age did play a factor before I learned too much about the whole MOB thing.  You see...  I did not find the forums until after I already visited my wife the first time.

I was 38 years old when I started my search and I searched for woman from 28 years old up to 35 years old.  I met my wife who was 30 at the time.  So 8-9 year age difference.  It is certainly not noticable in our relationship as she is mature and able to be with me when I am the older leader, and also when I am the young boy wanting to play.

With my wife and I would suspect most RW that have no children - my wife's 31 year old body is just as rock solid and even nicer than just about any AW 18-23 year old hottie I have seen.  I hope she doesn't read this and get embarrased.

In any case...  Had I done research I might have widened my range down in age.  Reason is that based on the RW that I have met due to my relationship with my wife - they seem typically stronger and more mature than AW of the same age.  They learn early on the importance of family and hard work.  They seem to appreciate nice things rather than take them for granted.  For this reason I might have considered a much younger woman.

- Maxxum

[I/O]

pissing people off for a living

Naaaaahhhhhhhhh ya get it all for free. I don't charge a cent for it.

I/O

[Voyageur]

You are entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else, and it caries no more or less weight than anyone else's.

Good comment! - This is an opinion-based forum, correct? So even though one man's opinion may be another man's idea of BS, IMHO independent (maybe this could even be classified as non-OMB) thinking should not be bludgeoned to death. The newbie asking a question will have a variety of opinions (including his own) to choose from. There is no single right way to go about this, each path is different.

If obvious mis-information is being given (like there are no such things as scammers in Zaporozhye , FSU are subservient robots, FSU don't care about difference in age, too many to list MOB agency myths, etc.) I have no doubt that the intelligent responses given in this forum would steer the newbie into the right direction.

[Daveman]

I think the ideal age thing is pretty simple..

if these conditions *truly* exist:

1) mutual physical attraction
2) cerebral stimulation
3) absolute equality
4) mutual respect
5) freedom to grow and expand horizons
6) common interests other than sex
7) a joy and rush from looking into each other's eyes
8. free flowing communication in all areas (including resolving disagreements equitably)
9) shared sense of humor and laughter together
10) you just *fit together* and naturally inspire each other
11) you have synergy

then the ages of the partners are perfect for that relationship.

I recently made a hard limit of 12 years for myself, but as soon I did that, a lady who's 31 piqued my interest.. 13 year difference.. but I really doubt I'll dive down into the 20's again..  but, never say never...  we'll see

[dneid]

Hey, Guys,
Thanks for all the useful feedback.  Again, my original intent was not to start another age difference thread.  Lord, knows there are plenty of those on the forum already.  BTW, thanks gator.  You have a list of age diffs threads in one of your posts in another thread and I read all of those a few weeks ago.

I am sorry to been an inadvertent instigator of another age diff thread.  It certainly seems to ignite the passions in all of us.  I will admit that I did read this entire thread and I did find some great information.  Once again, I apologize to the entire collective for starting another passionate debate over a subject I did not mean to ignite.

[Gator]

"With all due respect, Billy, you have no clue until you begin your life together here in this country.
KenC"

KenC, with all due respect to your marriage success, I think Billy has some clue.  He is not in your class of experience, yet he has been participating in the forums for a long time and has spent a long time with his woman.  So it is unfair to place him in the same category as One Week Wonders.

So much depends upon the commitment of both spouses to the marriage, their ability to communicate and to resolve conflicts, and the understanding and respect between them.  Some have it, and some do not.  Marriage quickly tests those who do not have it.

[Gator]

Dneid,

You said “ideal”age.  It is ideal if couples are at the same stage of life, and that is more the case for people of the same age, yet not always so. 

The issue to most men is not “What is the ideal age?”, but “How far can a man push the envelope?”   And that is a personal and private decision made by the man and woman. 

BTW, do not be so apologetic. 

[Ronnie]

This is not sarcastic but here's the way it works..
The ideal age for her is that you are a year or two younger and make a ton of money.
The ideal age for you is she is half your age and you make a ton of money.
If you don't make a ton of money, there is no age difference that will be ideal.  Slavic women are more primative than western women. Being a good provider is the number one factor is their devotion.  Love is a complex concept not necessarily as understood in the east as in the west.

[I/O]

he has been participating in the forums for a long time and has spent a long time with his woman. So it is unfair to place him in the same category as One Week Wonders.
........................................ Marriage quickly tests those who do not have it.

Maybe it is just me, but I see a contradiction. In fact I see a couple of them, not least of all, I never saw the subject being put in the same class as the one week wonders.

Gator, the whole point of the distracted posts was regarding people who consistently advise and pontificate beyond there realm of experience or actual knowledge and simply make themsleves look silly. When those very same posters come back with "Instructions" they transfer themsleves from foolishly ignorant to idiot status in my view. The pity is they often do have some expertise to share if they would stick with that, which they don't.

Bluntly, you have a subject here who has proven himself once a failure at an FSU marriage and is projecting on how it will be next time around. IMO, KenC was spot on, he hasn't a clue. Lets see him get a few years of marriage under his belt, which I sincerely hope he does and then tell everyone how it's gunna be.

If his 3 FSU relationships are of such value, why don't we all look to Pike for the best advice, sheesh, he's had more in a shorter space of time than most of the rest of RWD put together. 

I/O

[Gator]

I/O,

I agree that there is much misleading if not stupid advice given at RWD.  You and KenC and JB and many others do a superb service of reading the posts and  differentiating the wheat from the chaff.  If it pisses some people off...tough! The last thing I would want to do is to discourage KenC from telling people that their sh!t stinks.

KenC has helped me privately in deliberating my decision to marry a RW girlfriend 30+ years younger than me.  Personally, I take anything KenC says about large age differences as gospel.  He has lived it, and contrary to what Billy wrote, KenC has made some excellent posts about his personal experiences and feelings of being married to a much younger RW. 

In this thread I do not find what BillyB said should warrant a strong "hasn't a clue" belittlement.  I found some things posted by others in this thread to be more misleading.  [Discalimer:  I have been away for two weeks and am not fully recovered from my holiday.]

Being engaged and not yet married does not make one clueless.  While I am not married yet, I feel that I have some clues.  I know we will have some conflicts.  In fact, we have already experienced many of them, and what we have done to resolve each of them gives me faith that we will resolve our future conflicts in a "win-win" manner.  Of course, there is far more to this issue than conflict resolution.  The list is pages long.









 

[Jazzyclassy]

I think you guys need to relax and do not argue, life is so short you should not waste it on those arguments especially in the forum, where few people know each other in reality, I know it is almost a norm to quarrel here from time to time but sometimes it gets really silly

Age topic is really very private one and we all know each person chooses his age gap whatever he/she wants and none really can judge and give advices as it is no use.

I think BillyB has a lot of experience including the fact that he is not 20 and he as he told he was married already , there are some other people here who can be put into starting out section but it wont be BillyB

[BillyB]

   Who here has not had a failed marriage? DKMM and Son of Clyde are a couple guys I can think of. DKMM has never made a mistake as bad as most of us. For his age, he's probably smarter than most of us for not finalizing a marriage with any woman as he eventually found the women he's dated not for him. Son of Clyde is successful at his marriage to his first and only wife, an FSU woman. I guess the rest of us are failures. We don't learn, don't grow, and we are as dumb today as the day we failed. Of course it's our fault and we've got serious personal problems because a woman plays no role in a failed marriage and our experience and opinions hold no value anymore for the rest of our lives.  There are reasons people seperate other than the man just being a total loser/dumba@@.

I/O, since you like figuring out contradictions and hanging people, here's one for you. Get your noose ready. Since you say KenC said was spot on and you give the example my experience proves I'm a failure, after I told of my failed experience, KenC said it does give more credibility to what I say since he did not know I had that much experience with FSU women. Again, do you agree that KenC was totally spot on or do you agree with just the parts that you like ignoring the rest of what he said in an attempt to run me down? People aren't that dumb so start making sense without the personal vendetta because based on your posts here and other threads of late, you are self destructing. I know some of you guys GOT my number, hold personal grudges for years and I expect you guys to follow me around closely for awhile but at least you'd spend your energy on me instead of other posters here and discouraging those who are reluctant to participate. I can handle it.

[KenC]

WOW, this is so f**king unbelievable to me.  A sh!tstorm created from what?  Anyone remember?  Let me remind you.  Billy said:

If a relationship with a large age gap is to be successful, then both people need to be comfortable with it to the point it isn't discussed on a regular basis. I asked my fiancee once what she thought of our 12 1/2 year age gap and she said she was fine and there was never a discussion about age again. Her actions out in public showed me she was proud to be with me and mentally we get along great so I'm satisfied with her answer.

In my mind, I thought Billy was expressing advice on how to have a successful age gap marriage without even being married.  How a girlfriend acts in her home country may or may not reflect how she will act once she moves to America, if indeed she ever does move here.  It isn't a done deal until it is done, now is it? 
OK, if they are not even married yet and she has yet to step a foot into America, how can Billy truly know how things will be?  Different country, different culture and a total unknown to Billy and his girl.  How it is in Kazakhstan(sp)could just be a tad different than California.  Don't you think?  So I answered with this:

With all due respect, Billy, you have no clue until you begin your life together here in this country.
KenC
I see no disrespect here at all because Billy may be right or he may be wrong, but in truth, he literally can not know until it happens.  That is of course if it happens at all. 
KenC

Gator,
You are much further ahead of the curve than Billy as you lady has been to FL and experienced being here with you.
KenC

[BillyB]

WOW, this is so f**king unbelievable to me.  A sh!tstorm created from what?  Anyone remember?  Let me remind you.  Billy said: Blah, Blah, Blah
In my mind, I thought Billy was expressing advice on how to have a successful age gap marriage without even being married. 

Actually the sh!tstorm didn't start because of what I said but a remark I/O said. Our business was done KenC. But to deflect attention away from themselves, some thought to bring back what I said and claim I was giving marriage advice when there is no mention of marriage in my post. dneid was trying to get a read on age before he enters into a relationship, not what is or isn't acceptable during marriage.

Debate lesson #235: Before telling others to get a clue, it's best to get a clue of the background of the person you're talking to.

Debate lesson #867: If a poster, that's keeping on topic pertaining to "age", says   "If a relationship with a large age gap is to be successful, then both people need to be comfortable with it to the point it isn't discussed on a regular basis." and you don't think he's correct and whether or not you know or don't know he's been through 3 relationships with RW, then you tell counter his argument and say your experience with one RW you've had a relationship with for X amount of years does not tell you the same thing and two people comfortable with age gaps does not contribute in any amount or even harms a relationship.

This can be so easy! Attack the message, not the messenger. The readership can make up their mind who's sounds more logical and there won't be an additional 5-10 pages of bickering over marriage advice that never was in this thread or others. I don't feel a need to defend what I wrote but I'm getting tired of people twisting my words.

[I/O]

or do you agree with just the parts that you like ignoring

The "Logic" of this statement is waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond me. :noidea: :noidea:

I/O

[catzenmouse]

This can be so easy! Attack the message, not the messenger. The readership can make up their mind who's sounds more logical.

Seems to me that this quote is the only thing that needs to be understood or followed by the members here.

Way too much in the way of clique behavior going on lately.