Hot Russian Brides busted!

[Jack]

You guys are getting quotes mixed up. Michael, the quote above from Bruno was not from Bruno but from me and it was NOT referring to guys on RWD but from another Russian discussion board that bans good, helpful guys with no warnings. Some guys got banned just from knowing other guys who had got banned. I think this is why this particular Russian discussion board has seen it's better days and one of the reasons why RWD is becoming so popular.  If you remove all the posts from the moderators at some Russian discussion boards you will see very little traffic and new posts.

I think some Russian discussion boards who are "for profit" are becoming known as not to a reliable source for getting truthful information about all agencies.

[Michelangelo]

 Bruno is the one who was banned, and the post is his.

My post is a service to him, I do not criticize RWD or their policies.

Ah, no wonder Bruno did not answer my very important PM I sent him. This is a shame...Bruno was, in my opinion, the most enlightened and most helpful guy at RWD.  He shared so much useful information and would do indepth research and post it for all our benefit.  If Bruno is banned, I can think of some others that argued with him (and they were the ones in the wrong), who should have been banned with him.

But all this proves is that banning is wrong except in extreme circumstanses.  It rewards the wrong people and hurts newcomers like me...

Can someone PM me where I can find Bruno?  This is my only board, so I guess I will have to venture out if I need his advice...

[BC]

Michael,

I believe Bruno banned himself voluntarily.

Think you can find him posting at http://forum.lillavilla.com/

[Shadow]

Michael,

I believe Bruno banned himself voluntarily.

Think you can find him posting at http://forum.lillavilla.com/

BC, he voluntarily decided to limit his posts here. But he has been banned later and can now no longer post here.  If he could he would have reacted himself.

[Jack]

Does anyone have Bruno's e-mail?  PM me if you do.

[Michelangelo]

Ditto...

[Shadow]

Gentlemen, check your messages

[Jet]

And Jet, I am curious as well as to your opinion of an owner of a Russian discussion board who would ban good, helpful guys with NO strike one or two notice because he or his moderators simply did not like a certain poster.

 

Jack,

I became a member of RWGuide in Sept. '02 and a moderator in early '03. I was absent from all the boards for about 4 months starting Nov '04 as I had just gotten married and wanted to focus exclusively on my wife for a bit. During my tenure, the only people I know to have been banned were those who could not control their behavior or violated the agreement they signed when they applied for a user account. This policy is no different than RMP, RWD, or thousands of other message boards across the net, both "for profit" and "not for profit".

I was at the PL board when the original "landscaper" thing went down and I was there when the vulgar sh!t (IMO) about MarkInTx's wife went down. These are but two examples where I personally would have banned everyone involved with *zero* warnings. I personally felt that both episodes were intolerable no matter how "helpful" any user had been in the past because it discounted the credibility of everything posted prior. Just my personal opinion, and further discussion will not likely change my view.

I'm actually a bit curious... If you abhor the "for profit" board so much, why do you continue to contribute advertizing dollars to it? I made a quick check before posting this and found that your company is advertized on BOTH sidebars of the forums page. I would think that the best way to show distain would be to boycott, rather than financially support such an operation :?

Incidentally, the thread here: http://www.rwguide.com/thread_25983.html does not seem to paint you or your company in a particularly favorable light. One would assume that as a paying advertizer, you would have had the forum owner "sanitize" this a little more thoroughly, no? If what you imply is really the way things work, it would be well within your discression and power to have it edited for content (or even removed).

[Khashyar]

Hey Khashya, welcome to the RWD.
 
I think it's cool you also will allow some of your more outspoken members two, three or heck, your saying five strikes before you ban them!  That's plenty of notice and I applaud your decision.  Just curious Khashyar, what do you think about the owners of Russian discussion boards who gives NO one strike, no two strikes, if he does not like you, or certain moderators do not like you, your GONE! No strike one, no strike two, strike zero and your gone! I am aware of some very good and knowledgeable guys who have been banned with no warning, no strike one or two. And these are guys who could really contribute to others, to new guys and old guys alike
 
And Jet, I am curious as well as to your opinion of an owner of a Russian discussion board who would ban good, helpful guys with NO strike one or two notice because he or his moderators simply did not like a certain poster.

 

Hi Jack,

Well, the Russian Meeting Place has clear guidelines regarding what behavior is acceptable, and which is not. (Basically, if you personally attack someone, then that is not acceptable, although every is free and encouraged to disagree, even vehemently so). There are people who have vehemently disagreed and argued with me on the RMP, and I certainly understand that I need to respect everyone's right to their own opinion, and the freedom for them to do so.

I draw the line at personally attacking someone, because I think that it doesn't contribute to the conversations, and it creates a poisonous atmosphere in the forum.

So, officially we have a "3 strikes and your out rule," but I did give this one particularly immature irritating member 5 strikes, each time with a clear warning as to how he was violating the forum guidelines, and a chance to change. When we didn't, he was no longer part of the forum.

I think that how a moderator/administrator of a forum handles a troublesome member, is also a matter of style, but I believe that a forum is best run when the rules and guidelines are clear, as are the consequences for violating them.

Khashyar

[Khashyar]

I know that ConnerVT (who I also know very well over the past couple of years through the forum     )  would perhaps like less moderation and a more Wild West shoot 'm kind of discussions 

I have no problem with the moderation on RMP.  I think it's one of the better run forums (of any topic) I have seen on the Internet.  I do think there's a large contributing group that has a too idealized view of how life is/should be. 

Sometimes, you do a person a favor when you tell them, "Yes, those jeans DO make your @ss look fat."  Of course, that's not the answer that they wanted to hear, but it helps them make better choices in the future...
[/quote]
Hi Conner...  I'm not sure what you mean by "Too idealized view of how life is/should be?" 

I really like the interesting mix of people that we have there...  Russian women, European guys, Conservative and Liberal views...

Regarding what to say to someone whose ass is too fat...  You can tell them "your ass is to fat," but you can accomplish the same thing by saying "those jeans don't look good on you... I don't think they compliment your body" 

One of those phrases might hurt someone's feelings, and the other may get across the same point, but not hurt their feelings so much.  (I know that you and I have different styles regarding that, and I respect your directness, but I would do it differently).

Khashyar

[Admin]

Ah, no wonder Bruno did not answer my very important PM I sent him. This is a shame...Bruno was, in my opinion, the most enlightened and most helpful guy at RWD.  He shared so much useful information and would do indepth research and post it for all our benefit.  If Bruno is banned, I can think of some others that argued with him (and they were the ones in the wrong), who should have been banned with him.

But all this proves is that banning is wrong except in extreme circumstanses.  It rewards the wrong people and hurts newcomers like me...

Can someone PM me where I can find Bruno?  This is my only board, so I guess I will have to venture out if I need his advice...

Bruno is NOT - I repeat NOT - banned, and never has been.

For that matter, all the rumours and presumptions of banning people are just that - rumours and presumptions.

Having said that, let me also make something clear - I will not tolerate the baiting, childish, antagonistic, argumentative behavior I sometimes witness on the board. The rules of this board ARE clear, and everyone who posts should abide by them. For those who do not, I reserve the right to edit and/or delete and/or suspend and/or ban as I (solely) see fit. As my tolerance level is pretty high, it is unlikely to be much of an issue, but I nonetheless reserve that RIGHT - and I am under NO OBLIGATION to inform anyone of my decision.

I hope that makes it clear to all  

- Dan

[Admin]

From Bruno :

"Just curious Khashyar, what do you think about the owners of Russian discussion boards who gives NO one strike, no two strikes, if he does not like you, or certain moderators do not like you, your GONE! No strike one, no strike two, strike zero and your gone! I am aware of some very good and knowledgeable guys who have been banned with no warning, no strike one or two. And these are guys who could really contribute to others, to new guys and old guys alike"

Jack, are you speaking about RWD ??? It seem usual here to ban people without information, warning... myself, i was victim of this after my claim of censure from one post on these topic... yes, the free speaking is only one way... RWD is not very different that other forum, maybe more hypocrit...

Shadow,

If Bruno wishes to post here, he knows he is perfectly welcome.

Right now he seems to be choosing to play some childish game because I chided him over his openly critical remarks towards me and RWD on another board that I felt were 'below-the-belt.' Bruno also seems to have a propensity to jump to rash conclusions with no evidence whatsoever - as he appear to have done about this "banning" accusation (which he KNOWS is false).

Rather than participate in this childish game, just tell Bruno to come on back and post to his heart's content :dude:

- Dan

[Admin]

Jack,

I became a member of RWGuide in Sept. '02 and a moderator in early '03. I was absent from all the boards for about 4 months starting Nov '04 as I had just gotten married and wanted to focus exclusively on my wife for a bit. During my tenure, the only people I know to have been banned were those who could not control their behavior or violated the agreement they signed when they applied for a user account. This policy is no different than RMP, RWD, or thousands of other message boards across the net, both "for profit" and "not for profit".

I was at the PL board when the original "landscaper" thing went down and I was there when the vulgar sh!t (IMO) about MarkInTx's wife went down. These are but two examples where I personally would have banned everyone involved with *zero* warnings. I personally felt that both episodes were intolerable no matter how "helpful" any user had been in the past because it discounted the credibility of everything posted prior. Just my personal opinion, and further discussion will not likely change my view.

I'm actually a bit curious... If you abhor the "for profit" board so much, why do you continue to contribute advertizing dollars to it? I made a quick check before posting this and found that your company is advertized on BOTH sidebars of the forums page. I would think that the best way to show distain would be to boycott, rather than financially support such an operation :?

Incidentally, the thread here: http://www.rwguide.com/thread_25983.htmldoes notseem to paint you oryour companyin a particularly favorable light. One would assume that as a paying advertizer, you would have had the forum owner "sanitize" this a little more thoroughly, no? If what you imply is really the way things work, it would be well within your discression and power to have it edited for content (or even removed).

It seems we have been frequenting a couple of the same boards for some time. I never really got into the RWG board - and only learned of RMP in this thread (Welcome Khashyar). Between P-L and the RWL and now RWD, there are plenty of resources out there.

Interesting that you bring up MarkInTX. For the longest time I enjoyed his romantic nature and exceptionally well-written posts. I *still* enjoy reading his posts on P-L once in a while. After the thrashing he took on P-L, he turned a bit trollish and (IMO) the whole community suffered a loss. For that matter, I saw the same thing happen here. Some of the more romantic types just get torn to shreds, and it really is shameful that many board communities seems intolerant of that style of member.

On the topic of P-L, Patrick has proven to be a class act for as long as I've known (sort of) him. While I thought he failed to take action and he was obviously wrong for failing to take my side in those arguments , he sure has been supportive of RWD and has been openly complimentary.

Now as to the thread over on RWG about legal actions - that is kind of funny if you know the facts. It is a little ridiculous for someone to be fearful of a lawsuit for something as innocent as answering a sincere question, even if the feedback is negative. I suspect that is simply someone's sardonic attempt to take a cheap shot at Jack.

I am not ignoring the very real possibility that internet boards can, in fact, be used in litigation (in fact, my ex-wife will probably copy this message to try to use it against me in court) - but at the same time, there are some hurdles to court filings that prohibit frivolous filings (even if my ex-wife doesn't agree LOL).

Anyway - thanks for the balanced posts and perspective. I appreciate it.

- Dan

[RacerX]

If you remove all the posts from the moderators at some Russian discussion boards you will see very little traffic and new posts.

I think some Russian discussion boards who are "for profit" are becoming known as not to a reliable source for getting truthful information about all agencies.

I assume you are referring to RWG?  If so, that's kinda a dumbass remark to make - all you need do is calculate the number of posts the moderators make (say 10 mods x 750 = 7500) vs. the 108,000 total posts... and many of those posts are 'cleanups' and other 'official' board posts. They post the numbers, so no matter what figures you estimate, the total percent would certainly be less than 10% of the board traffic. BTW, I rarely see a moderator originate a thread.

[RacerX]

Dan:

I wonder what your response might be to this post today by RWG:

Regarding management, perhaps a shoulder-to-shoulder uniform industry standard is in order? I wonder if Dan (RWD), Patrick (PL) and Clark (G7) would be amenable to a pre-defined set of policies which govern the industry to further the goal of helping men? I think you and I are aligned with regards to our policies on running the the boards (our actions/solutions being equivalent) therefore, perhaps a universal roadmap can be constructed which helps more people, while weeding out some of the ilk that occasionally surfaces for bait around here.

[Admin]

Dan:

I wonder what your response might be to this post today by RWG:

Regarding management, perhaps a shoulder-to-shoulder uniform industry standard is in order? I wonder if Dan (RWD), Patrick (PL) and Clark (G7) would be amenable to a pre-defined set of policies which govern the industry to further the goal of helping men? I think you and I are aligned with regards to our policies on running the the boards (our actions/solutions being equivalent) therefore, perhaps a universal roadmap can be constructed which helps more people, while weeding out some of the ilk that occasionally surfaces for bait around here.

Yeah - Spencer wrote me an email.

I am thinking about it. The remark about "weeding out some of the ilk . . ." has a tone that strikes me as arrogant and inconsistent with my value system - but I will think about it a bit.

- Dan

[Jet]

On the topic of P-L, Patrick has proven to be a class act for as long as I've known (sort of) him. While I thought he failed to take action and he was obviously wrong for failing to take my side in those arguments , he sure has been supportive of RWD and has been openly complimentary.

Now as to the thread over on RWG about legal actions - that is kind of funny if you know the facts. It is a little ridiculous for someone to be fearful of a lawsuit for something as innocent as answering a sincere question, even if the feedback is negative. I suspect that is simply someone's sardonic attempt to take a cheap shot at Jack.

 

Dan,

Please don't misunderstand the thrust of the post. I brought up two examples from another board where *I* would have banned members without the benefit of a three strikes policy, had it been my decision to make. I have no ill will toward Patrick. I merely answered the question asked, as best I could by citing real world examples that I knew Jack had also been present for. 

The RWG thread was also used as an example to illustrate my position in response to the alegations Jack tossed out on the table about the ability (or desire) of a commercial venture to be objective. I have no idea whether Jack is the litigous sort or not, and the views expressed in the thread are the sole property of the authors that posted them.

[Khashyar]

(duplicate post accidentily posted and deleted)

[Admin]

(duplicate post accidentily posted and deleted)

Woooops! We were both trying to eliminate the duplicate. you edited the second, and I deleted the first.

Sorry!

- Dan

[Khashyar]

   That's ok, Dan...

I must have pressed the "send" button twice...

I stated in the (twice     ) deleted post that I also was involved in the conversation in the RWG post that racer mentioned, because the subject of that thread was the Russian Meeting Place. (And the reason why I responded to this thread in the RWD was because it also mentioned the RMP).

I didn't want anyone to think that I am involved in any kind of conspiritorial black magic here.

Khashyar

[Admin]

I stated in the (twice ) deleted post that I also was involved in the conversation in the RWG post that racer mentioned, because the subject of that thread was the Russian Meeting Place. (And the reason why I responded to this thread in the RWD was because it also mentioned the RMP).

I didn't want anyone to think that I am involved in any kind of conspiritorialblack magic here.

Khashyar

Yes, I saw that. My welcome to you was sincere. If you are like me and have a life outside the board, then I imagine it is difficult enough to keep up with one board - but you are welcome here - and not only in those threads which mention RMP  

- Dan

[Khashyar]

I stated in the (twice     ) deleted post that I also was involved in the conversation in the RWG post that racer mentioned, because the subject of that thread was the Russian Meeting Place. (And the reason why I responded to this thread in the RWD was because it also mentioned the RMP).

I didn't want anyone to think that I am involved in any kind of conspiritorial black magic here.

Khashyar

Yes, I saw that. My welcome to you was sincere. If you are like me and have a life outside the board, then I imagine it is difficult enough to keep up with one board - but you are welcome here - and not only in those threads which mention RMP

- Dan[/quote]
Thanks, Dan, for the invitation.

Yes... maintaining a discussion forum is more than a full-time job       I wish that I could spend more time responding to posts, creating new material for the website, etc... 

That is why forums rely on good members to contribute their experiences and wisdom, so that members can help one another.

Khashyar

[Shadow]

Bruno is NOT - I repeat NOT - banned, and never has been.

For that matter, all the rumours and presumptions of banning people are just that - rumours and presumptions.

I hope that makes it clear to all

- Dan

Dan,

I have had a private discussion with Bruno, and he has made it clear that his account was blocked. He can read, but no longer post or react to PM. This is the reason he asked my help in making his reply.

He could of course sign up under a proxy and reply, but has decided to respect your choice. I have known about his account being blocked for over a week, is is not information he has given me yesterday. If this block of his account was  a system glitch and not your doing, perhaps you can check this out and send him an e-mail when it has been resolved.

I will direct his attention to your post, and assuming you are writing the truth here he should be able to respond to it.

[Bruno]

Yep, i am back... my loggin and password work again...

Dan, you can control your log, i have try several time to log in the forum but i have until now always receive "wrong loggin or password"... Not that i have wish to make a lot of post... but more for reply to some...

Like i have explain you by PM, i have not a lot of free time now... the work and the new lady... and she use a lot of my time, around 2 hours chat almost each day...

Yes, i have think that you have ban me... you have ask me for stop post here for a time... what i have agree... but two say after these last PM, my account was not more working... What to think ????

For that matter, all the rumours and presumptions of banning people are just that - rumours and presumptions.

 

I have not publish my loggin and password like have make Fiorella... but my situation was the same that with her... impossible to log... if it is not a banning, you really need to check your system... it seem to block himself some people

If Bruno wishes to post here, he knows he is perfectly welcome.

Right now he seems to be choosing to play some childish game because I chided him over his openly critical remarks towards me and RWD on another board that I felt were 'below-the-belt.' Bruno also seems to have a propensity to jump to rash conclusions with no evidence whatsoever - as he appear to have done about this "banning" accusation (which he KNOWS is false).

 

About be welcome, it was not what you have write in the last PM... but i have agree with you... i have reply that i will stay calm a time and maybe make some reply, and certainly inform about the evolution of my new relation...

The reaction of you was coming after one of my post here, on these topic, when a quote from a post was deleted after a other member ask to ban the poster of the edited post... yes, i have post openly a critical remarks here... it is my character, i like to be open, not only for the good but for the bad too... myself, i have nothing to hide... maybe i am a little bullheaded... and this don't really help... but i stay open to dialogue...

About other board, i remember you that i have make some post in your name when the guest account was blocked... and i have ask information about it to the moderator and explain you that guest account are not more working but that you can register like member... and i have protest when some people have speak about ban you from these other forum... and if i good remember, i have post my critic on both forum... and copy here some other post from these place...

About jump to rash conclusion, i am not alone... you have think that you was banned from other forum, you have think that the other forum go start a lawsuit against you.... maybe we are both to much emotional :?:cool:

Ok, now that all is right, i go see next week-end if i can bring some information for people who post here... the days in the week are actually to much short for me

[BC]

Didn't Bruno ask that his account be deleted?

In any case boards are a dime a dozen.. what really counts is the folks posting that make up the 'identity' of a particular board. This is where the success lies - even if partially comprised of weeded out ilk.

Coming up.. 12500 posts for a board still counting it's age in months not years. Quite an accomplishment... Of course RWG is interested..

As far as an 'open' agenda free board is concerned this is the best I've found.

Reminds me of that old saying: IIWDFWI.