Kaliningrad no fun 2 be had

[Daveman]

... I did buy her a lot of other things and never asked or expected her to pay me for, like a Playstation, a Playstation Portable, a Zune MP3 player, perfume, a cell phone, a Calvin Kline Leather jacket, Clark Boots, Sweaters, Jeans, Victoria Secrets stuff, bath products, a laptop...

Holy friggin' hell...  :hairraising:

[Serebro]

Holy friggin' hell... 

Ezhik, the boots  were such small things in comparison with all those things, why were you so angry?!

[Bluebell]

Holy friggin' hell...  :hairraising:

I suppose these are also things bought for her during the 2 year relationship and not only the gifts for the visit in Kaliningrad. But if you were bringing all these gifts along for the visit, I am not surprised that she asked for the boots, probably not the first time that you spoiled her so badly 

[Serebro]

I suppose these are also things bought for her during the 2 year relationship and not only the gifts for the visit in Kaliningrad. But if you were bringing all these gifts along for the visit, I am not surprised that she asked for the boots, probably not the first time that you spoiled her so badly 

Ezhik is Santa Claus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ezhik, if you are looking for someone to present  playstations, portable playstations, boots, MP3players, cellphones, laptops, etc PM me!!!!!

[Makkin]

  Damn dude what's up with all that?

  I get accused for be stingy when I only pay 15 dollars to make a two minute phone call(not a sat com call mind ya..lol) and you take it in the......for supplying all the goodies..

Makkin

[jb]

This T/R has actually been painful for me to read. 

[Serebro]

I met a girl about a year ago. Her name was Luda.

Bluebell

I suppose these are also things bought for her during the 2 year relationship and not only the gifts

Bluebell, who did he have 2 years' relationship with if he met her 1 year ago?!

Ezhik's posts:

December, 11

I don't want to spend a fortune on a bunch of things, but I want to show respect, and honor their hospitality. Also Mama's birthday will occur while I am there on my visit, so I want to get her something as a birthday gift...

and

I  wanted to take a few gifts of Liquor to Russia with me, and some toiletries.

Yesterday:

I did buy her a lot of other things and never asked or expected her to pay me for, like a Playstation, a Playstation Portable, a Zune MP3 player, perfume, a cell phone, a Calvin Kline Leather jacket, Clark Boots, Sweaters, Jeans, Victoria Secrets stuff, bath products, a laptop,

Most of what I took there were gifts

That's a nice phrase.. MOST...you mentioned that you didn't ask her to pay and then you write that most of the things were gifts, that means that you wanted for the money back(for some things), so WHAT exactly did you ask money back for?!Everything except for the toiletries?!

Serebro..You come across as very naive, judgmental, and presumptive

yeah, right


Let's remember what he told about the girl BEFORE the visit:

Just recently I came into some money, and I have the time and resources to make the trip to Russia

and immediately spent all those money on cell phones(that don't work in russia), laptops, desigher clothes, etc.

My girl said I should stay at her apartment, and come on a personal invite visa.

such a "bad girl" stealing from shops and smoking with lesbians was ready to spend her time and money signing papers that she was responsible for that guy and for all his actions in her country.
Ezhik, I didn't ask you, so you came to her using her personal invitation?!And then just bought a ticket and went to meet other girls in Moscow?!
Do you understand how many problems this girl could have because of you?! If you had gotten into trouble she would have had to go to police to explain why you did that and why she invited you to her country.

We were very close friends, and I never felt like she was tricking me or trying to have a relationship for a green card,

Our friend, an American woman, paid $10,000 to a bondsman to bail her out, and they took her off of the plane at the last second

why didn't YOU do that?!

She went back to Russia in January of 2007. She had to go to embassy in Moscow, and have government officials stamp her passport, and send a letter back to Homeland Sec confirming her return to Russia. This was necessary for our friend to get her $10K in bail money returned. Luska did this, and our friend got her money back.

so she spent money on her trip to Moscow and her visit to the embassy so the woman would get her money back...

Ezhik, I can see that the girl had a lot of friends in the USA and I can see also that you took zero part in her life when she was there except for looking at her in a strip bar.
You didn't want to pay money instead of that kind AW, you were standing looking at Homeland security putting your friend into the plane to send her back at the same time that girl was ready to sign papers in Russian Government to bring you to Russia and to offer her apartment for you.


and yes, I am just a very naive girl attacking you.But ALL my naive posts are made on what YOU WRITE and DO!

[Bluebell]

Bluebell
Bluebell, who did he have 2 years' relationship with if he met her 1 year ago?!

Serebro, you are nitpicking every word in this unfortunate story and you twist things in a way so that Ezhik would always appear the bad guy while the girl just an innocent victim. Obviously, you set your mind on proving by all means that the fail of their relationship is Ezhik's fault, and the girl had no other solution than to behave as she did. If only 1/10 is true from what Ezhik is telling about the girl, it would be enough for any man to not pursue a relationship with her but you still try to prove that it's not the girl, it's entirely Ezhik's fault.Because he did this, because he said that, ... so what is your point exactly?
 Ezhik already admitted that he made lots of mistakes, that he was confused and not acting reasonably in that period of his life, what else you want to hear besides this? That he made up the whole story about the girl? That he is lying and accusing the girl for things she did not even do? Is that so incredible that FSU girls are working in a strip club or become lesbian? What makes you anyway so suspicious of Ezhik and so protective of the girl??? One would think that you are a feminist 

Oh, btw, in the starting post which you certainly know by this time by heart and examining it under a microscope, he said they met one year ago, in summer. So not last summer, but the summer of the year before. Do the math, it's not 2 years indeed but at least one and half.

[catzenmouse]

This is a great example of "He said", "She said", and the truth being somewhere in the middle.

Doling out selective facts leads to misinterpretation and misinformation.

Doubt the whole story would be very attractive to either side.

Ken

[Serebro]

Serebro, you are nitpicking every word in this unfortunate story and you twist things in a way so that Ezhik would always appear the bad guy while the girl just an innocent victim. Obviously, you set your mind on proving by all means that the fail of their relationship is Ezhik's fault, and the girl had no other solution than to behave as she did.

Bluebell, I hope you are joking.
To me they both are "bad", but I don't understand why Ezhik is trying to make himself look like a victim.


As for you you and your pro-western opinion remind me of a typical person of the 80-ies who considered all Soviet(Russian)things to be bad and all western ones to be good, no matter if these are men or clothes and no matter how good they are. Bluebell, I will tell you a secret:not all western men are good just because they are western and not all women are bad because they "were made" in Russia.

[Daveman]

Bluebell, I hope you are joking.
To me they both are "bad", but I don't understand why Ezhik is trying to make himself look like a victim.

I agree completely.

I don't wish Ezhik any misfortune or ill will, or anything at all bad, but here's what I see..

He was a married man who had an affair, then left his wife for a woman who made her living "playing" men for money and gifts (which is exactly what strippers do).

Neither is clean here...

Ezhik, this is one of those tough lessons in life.. take time to clear your head and your emotions and then go get the real woman of your dreams.

Dave

[Serebro]

As for the girl being bad because she broke the immigration law and stayed there after her visa expired, answer the questions:

-how many of you, guys travel to Russia using a business visa without having any business in Russia? Yes, you make fake documents and fake visas.You break the law.

-how many of you make official contracts with the apartments'owners signing documents in lawyers' offices when you live in apartments?! You don't do this?! But according to the law it's a must!

Checking any of your trip reports one can find a lot of cases of breaking the law but who cares..

[acrzybear]

As for the girl being bad because she broke the immigration law and stayed there after her visa expired, answer the questions:

-how many of you, guys travel to Russia using a business visa without having any business in Russia? Yes, you make fake documents and fake visas.

 I wouldn't even think of doing this, too much time and effort.  I just get the visa most applicable to my situation and I don't have to worry about getting jammed up over paperwork.

how many of you make official contracts with the apartments'owners signing documents in lawyers' offices when you live in apartments?! You don't do this?! But according to the law it's a must!

 

I'm not sure what you're referring to here, I have signed many apartment leases and I never saw where it said you have sign in a lawyers office.

Checking any of your trip reports one can find a lot of cases of breaking the law but who cares..

  Anytime I have traveled I have tried my best to obey the local laws and as far as I know I have not broken any in a foreign country.


  As far as this situation I think it was a combination of things of which the most prominent is that Ezhik was lonely and seeking companionship and the girl might have found it easier to accept the gifts then to refuse him.  Ezhik could also have been having out any number of fantasies that a man might have when he's getting a divorce and a pretty woman is paying him some attention.

  I won't even get into the cultural aspect of this thing, the only people that know 100% of what happened is Ezhik and the lady he was visiting at the time.  Hopefully  Ezhik is man enough to learn from his mistakes and move on.

[Bluebell]

Bluebell, I hope you are joking.
To me they both are "bad", but I don't understand why Ezhik is trying to make himself look like a victim.


As for you you and your pro-western opinion remind me of a typical person of the 80-ies who considered all Soviet(Russian)things to be bad and all western ones to be good, no matter if these are men or clothes and no matter how good they are. Bluebell, I will tell you a secret:not all western men are good just because they are western and not all women are bad because they "were made" in Russia.

I hope you too are joking otherwise this is more than ridiculous. You are so quick to label people about whom you know practically nothing, just based on what you read in their words. First I am called a feminist, now pro-western opinion. I am curious what you will label me based on this post 
You speak as if you knew everything and everybody. This is a sure sign that you still have to learn a lot. More than you would think  at this moment.

And for the secret you shared with me so generously, thanks but no, thanks. I live myself in the West, had been travelling in the West extensively for many years before moving here, have always had WEstern friends and I am at least 10, if not 15 years older than you. What makes you think that I need to hear from you that there are bad people in the West and good ones in the East (in this case, Russia), it's a mystery for me.

[wxman]

To me they both are "bad", but I don't understand why Ezhik is trying to make himself look like a victim.

I agree. Neither one is a victim, as they both knew what they were doing. The results are just the consequences of such actions.

[Koluji Ezhik]

Ok, I see Serebo is just a hater. Luda said i should come on invitation, but then said she was too busy to help me. i had 2 get tourist visa from russianvisa.com. Just be quiet Sbro. U have no idea. 90% of your words are a mistake. So many other things you saying are wrong. stop your foolish blathering!

[Serebro]

Ezhik, so do you think that the next time you are in trouble or need an advice people will help you and tell you their opinion knowing that you will call their words lie, mistake and foolish blathering?!
Go back to AW, RW are definitely not for you.

[Curious_George]

timeline:working at club as bartender , arrested & ordered 2 leave within 4 months, starts dancing few days later, i meet her few days later. then pursued relationship.

Sorry to hear about your experience. But, I am just curious, if you knew that she has problems with the law and an immoral person then why did you pursue the relationship?

P.S. It would not have worked out anyway. It appears that she overstayed her visa for however long, so she is barred from entering the US from 3 to 10 years on ANY kind of visa.

P.P.S. Where is the moderator? I believe insulting a participant is against the rules.

[acrzybear]

Ok, I see Serebo is just a hater. Luda said i should come on invitation, but then said she was too busy to help me. i had 2 get tourist visa from russianvisa.com. Just be quiet Sbro. U have no idea. 90% of your words are a mistake. So many other things you saying are wrong. stop your foolish blathering!

Koluji
You keep adding to your story, I really don't know what to believe and I'm to the point where I don't care.  From your posts so far I have to go with Serebro's comment

Go back to AW, RW are definitely not for you.

I would suggest that you get a handful of $20.00 bills from the ATM and then go to your local "gentleman's" club where you can live your fantasies/delusions.  I'm sure the strippers er I mean ladies will feel sorry for you and give you a shoulder to cry on.

[Faux Pas]

Koluji
You keep adding to your story, I really don't know what to believe and I'm to the point where I don't care.  From your posts so far I have to go with Serebro's comment
I would suggest that you get a handful of $20.00 bills from the ATM and then go to your local "gentleman's" club where you can live your fantasies/delusions.  I'm sure the strippers er I mean ladies will feel sorry for you and give you a shoulder to cry on.

Look, Kolugi has posted an interesting thread whether you found it to be interesting or not, I did. Your personal moral compass really doesn't belong on this thread. How or where he met this woman doesn't make any difference as he hasn't asked for your approval or forgiveness. He made some major mistakes and has nothing to gain by posting them here for others to read. Somebody will learn from it. Unfortunately the lesson might be to not post your trip report. There's enough friction on the board alone and on this thread between Kolugi and Seabro. Whats the point of pouring fuel on the fire? Who have you helped by doing so?

[acrzybear]

Look, Kolugi has posted an interesting thread whether you found it to be interesting or not, I did. Your personal moral compass really doesn't belong on this thread. How or where he met this woman doesn't make any difference as he hasn't asked for your approval or forgiveness. He made some major mistakes and has nothing to gain by posting them here for others to read. Somebody will learn from it. Unfortunately the lesson might be to not post your trip report. There's enough friction on the board alone and on this thread between Kolugi and Seabro. Whats the point of pouring fuel on the fire? Who have you helped by doing so?

   Faux Pas

 
  First thing is- his name is Koluji, not Kolugi.
 
 Second things is  Where did you get the idea I was bring morales and personal beliefs into this thread? Can you tell if I like or dislike strippers/dancers from my comments? Did I say he will be in eternal damnation for going to an establishment of that sort? I don't believe I was forcing my morales/beliefs down his throat or anyone else's throat.  It makes no difference to me if he goes to a strip joint, dates a stripper or even marries a stripper-that's his business.  His story originally had some value, but when people pointed out some discrepancies/red flags in it- he added things to his story to make himself out as a victim.

  He went to Russia, met the girl, things didn't work out for a number of reasons (some he gave, some he did not-his choice), fine learn from your mistakes and move on.  I've traveled overseas and I've made my share of mistakes-but you know what? I didn't cry in my milk and seek everyones approval, I learned and I didn't make the same mistakes again. 

  If someone wants to give gifts to a person-great, thats why they're called gifts.  If things don't turn out the way you want them to, then don't cry/complain about it, just don't do it again.  The woman overstayed her visa and was a dancer/stripper-that's her choice, she did what she felt she had to do to make money. He dated her-they're both adults, he was married to another woman-again that's his choice and I know nothing about his situation.

  This "relationship" had disaster written all over it.  My impression is he was lonely and decided to go to a "gentleman's" club to seek some female companionship and met this woman and things went from there.  She might or might not have had feelings for him, she might or might not have been playing him for gifts and possibly even hoped to get a green card-she is the only person that will know the truth in that regards.  He has not done anything that millions of men around the world have done throughout history-and that is make a fool of oneself for a woman (I think it's in our DNA)

  She was caught breaking the law and left the United States where after some time he then went to see her in her country and for all intents and purposes she allegedly gave him the cold shoulder and he then left her home town and met up with an old girlfriend.

  I would have made different decisions then he did, but I have different experiences and values then he does.  As was stated by another member-neither party is innocent.  I give him credit in that he did go to Russia and see if things would work out with her, which 90% of the American men would not do.     

  Faux Paus

  You do not know me well enough to tell me that I am passing judgement on others.  I deal with facts and in the several years I have been posting on this board I have only used and posted the facts as I saw them.  I  will continue to state facts and I will never publicly attack another persons morality or beliefs, but if you knew me you would already know that.

 Now if you want a discussion on morality, beliefs or any other subject, then by all means start another thread and we can discuss anything you want.  I think we should return this thread back to Koluji so he can continue with his trip report or end it-which ever he decides.

  You know how to PM me, I'm always ready for a good discussion.

 

   

[Koluji Ezhik]

whatever. the Lesson here appears 2 be dont share on this forum unless your  story is perfect love story. Otherwise a million miserable jerks will come forward 2 piss on your tombstone!

[Serebro]

whatever. the Lesson here appears 2 be dont share on this forum unless your  story is perfect love story. Otherwise a million miserable jerks will come forward 2 piss on your tombstone!

There are  many stories here, not all of them are perfect love stories, but noone came to piss on those people's tombstones.

But thank you for calling us miserable jerks anyway.

[Christian]

There are  many stories here, not all of them are perfect love stories, but noone came to piss on those people's tombstones.

But thank you for calling us miserable jerks anyway.

Serebro,

Here in America the uncouth say: "Piss in your grits" or "Piss in your 'Cornflakes'."  But this forum has developed the mentality of torture and prolonging the agony.  They don't want you dead, they want you racked and riddled with psychological pain and distress.  Don't let 'em.

Christian

[Admin]

Serebro,

Here in America the uncouth say: "Piss in your grits" or "Piss in your 'Cornflakes'."  But this forum has developed the mentality of torture and prolonging the agony.  They don't want you dead, they want you racked and riddled with psychological pain and distress.  Don't let 'em.

Christian

>>this forum has developed the mentality of torture and prolonging the agony.  They don't want you dead, they want you racked and riddled with psychological pain and distress.<<

That sir, is an out and out lie.

Back it up.

State, explicitly, your support for your idiotic claim.

- Dan