I'm still not convinced! The official stats just don't make sense!

[Misha]

We can dress it up as nicely as we like, IMO the number one motivator for a Russian woman to marry a foreign man is possible "Trade up". Therein lies the trick of finding out what she actually sees as a "Trade up" before you find out the hard way it isn't your heart.

That "Trade up" might be the best man she can find or it might just be the best location or best wallet or best whatever. Splashing fanciful numbers and get hitched quick schemes around is not, IMO, the way to encourage guys to spend the time sorting right through the available pool.

I/O

My wife actually went to church and prayed before the icons asking God to send her a good man to be her husband. She asked for a number of things including that the man be well-educated and kind. She did not ask that he be very attractive and she did not ask that he be very rich. Neither did she ask for a foreigner. She was not looking to "trade up" rather she simply wanted a good husband.

[BC]

My wife actually went to church and prayed before the icons asking God to send her a good man to be her husband. She asked for a number of things including that the man be well-educated and kind. She did not ask that he be very attractive and she did not ask that he be very rich. Neither did she ask for a foreigner. She was not looking to "trade up" rather she simply wanted a good husband.

Religion aside, I find this aspect quite interesting.

I never 'looked' for a wife in my life.  I did however learn that some things in life simply need to develop and cannot be 'pushed' successfully.  The simple faith (not in religious terms) that we WILL each meet our appropriate partners in time seems a bit lacking among the RW seeking crowd that seek instant satisfaction.

Those scientifically minded might enjoy thoughts along the lines of chaos.. If you take thousands of bolts and nuts of different sizes, put them in a revolving drum, some pairs of proper size will magically find themselves and fit into one unit. 

Try to manipulate the chaotic order of things, maybe by rubbing magnets on the outside of the drum or other such actions may actually decrease the possibility of these natural pairings.

I try to think of potential rather than trading up.  In the grand scheme of things, depending on the direction of the drum and common direction of threads, tendencies will be for the nuts and bolts that have met to tighten together while revolving further. 

Trading up on the other hand requires either a mismatched pair (maybe bolt smaller than nut) or other internal forces within matched pairs that force them apart leaving each to seek out another pairing.

(just rambling for those that aren't following)

gebaub, it sounds like your wife took the actions that put her in position to accept possibilities and potentials that she may have ignored if she followed other, more aggressive paths.

Good luck!

[Eduard]

My wife actually went to church and prayed before the icons asking God to send her a good man to be her husband. She asked for a number of things including that the man be well-educated and kind. She did not ask that he be very attractive and she did not ask that he be very rich. Neither did she ask for a foreigner. She was not looking to "trade up" rather she simply wanted a good husband.

Gubaub, you are right on the money! And there are plenty of great women like that in Russia. IMO those are the only kind of women that are pretty much a shure thing in terms of loyalty and being a good loving wife and mother. The fact is that this kind of woman would hardly consider advertising on an ageny site marketing her to foreigners.
My wife for instance told me that she didnt't even consider advertising on a local free Russian site untill her best friend talked her into it. And after a couple of glasses of wine to loosen up she did it...put her ad on KM. She didn't even put her photo on her profile and the only reason I found her is because unlike many men I actually read what women say in their profiles. many beautiful women don't want all the hustle from thousands of idiots who write them all kinds of nonesense because she  she has a pretty picture. And I found that many of the best looking and quality type person women will not put their photos up. They are hoping to find a guy who is willing to take an extra step to read the profile, write them introducing himself, then they will send you a photo. In my experience only about 20% were not attractive, but the vast majority were pretty to gorgeous. This is theiw way of illiminating a lot of players and shallow men.

[ScottinCrimea]

I was just reflecting on how I would hear the same things from single AW that FSUW are expressing.  They complain that it'sx extremely difficult to find a single man who is serious, family oriented, financially secure, etc.  Exactly the same complaints that FSUW express.  It's like the old joke they tell about the men in the US being like parking spaces - the best ones are taken and the rest are handicapped.  So given that, what's the ratio of "marriage-minded" women to men in the US?  It could easily be higher than in the FSU.  Might be interesting to see some valid statistics on that one.

[Misha]

Good one!  Reminds me of a joke once told to me about an Alaskan concerning the imbalance of men to women in his state: "as the women living in Alaska say, the odds are good [of finding a man], but the goods are odd." [My apologies to any Alaskan who may be reading this  ]

[Eduard]

I was just reflecting on how I would hear the same things from single AW that FSUW are expressing.  They complain that it'sx extremely difficult to find a single man who is serious, family oriented, financially secure, etc.  Exactly the same complaints that FSUW express.  It's like the old joke they tell about the men in the US being like parking spaces - the best ones are taken and the rest are handicapped.  So given that, what's the ratio of "marriage-minded" women to men in the US?  It could easily be higher than in the FSU.  Might be interesting to see some valid statistics on that one.

I don't have the numbers, but I will agree that there are plenty of single American women who are looking and not finding a good, good looking and financially secure, marriage minded guy...the difference between these single AW and RW is that most of available AW who are not beautiful gold diggers (at least here in FL) are overweight to obeice, age between 45 and 75 and generally physically unattractive. Although many are beautiful human beings and can make wonderful friends! I was single here in Tampa Bay for 2 years. Not a bad looking guy, worked out daily, had my own house a business...you would think a good catch? Not in tampa bay, FL!!! I was on match.com and yahoo personals for more than a year. The bottom line is that most women were over 40, fat and unattractive. The ones that were younger, nice looking and in shape were inendated by thousands of hungry men! I once conducted an experiment, just to see what's going on. I placed an ad "w seeks m" 27 yo, and put a picture of a nice, natural looking girl on the profile. Guess what? My ad got 250 emails in the first 30 minutes!!! All kinds of men from 20 to 60. This reminded me of sharks fiesting on a fresh piece of meet. after a couple of hours when the number of emails was getting up to around a thousand I removed the ad. This was something else and showed me what kind of a fierce competition a single guy faces here in Tampa Bay. Obviously cute guys in their 20s who have a Brad Pitt look don't have problems with females here, but a guy in his 40s who doesn't shave off all his body hair like the young studs do, has next to no chance to find a younger, pretty and down to earth woman for a serious relationship.
Since I am in the business and talk to many single guys, they seem to share the same experince that I had looking for a local AW.
When I go to Russia, even now at the age of 47 I catch young pretty women looking at me, making eye contact, flirting, etc. It's incredibly refreshing! You also don't see nearly as many fat people there and on average women are so much more attractive than here in the US (I said on average, we do have gorgeous women here as well, just not as many)
There are so many singly, hungry men where I live that a young woman like my wife (she is 28) would not stay single for a day. I see the guys trying to "move in" as soon as I'm on the other side of the store and they assume that maybe she is by herself. yes it's that bad here!!! I'm not paranoid This area is probably a lot worse than other places because there are a lot of retirees here and generally when younger people move down here from up north - they are families with kids. There are plenty of single women 50 and up here though.
Basically what I'm saying is that inspite all these 1:1 stats presented here my personal experience is quite different. When I started looking in Russia at the age of 43 I had an amazing amount of options compared to the US. No compareson, whatsoever! If I wanted to, I could meet 4-5 beautiful single women a day in Russia where as here where i live the only ones available were fat and a lot older than what I like.

[Shadow]

You were so close...... :noidea:

[Gator]

Eduard,

I did not find American women as bad as you described.  In fact, some are wonderful.  A really pretty blond, talented and smart and now in her late 30s, still calls me (and I'm over 60).  Nevertheless, in my two years of dating AW, I never found one who made me forget about all other women.

When I went to Russia and Ukraine, I was amazed by the abundant number of quality women who expressed an interest in me.  Nevermind any questions about a woman's motivation and reasoning, I felt like I was in the best singles bar in the world.  

Twice I broke up with a RW after an exclusive and fairly long relationship.  Each time I sampled AW again.  It did not take long before I decided to return to Russia.

The following ratio is possible:   QualityRW:QualityAW::8:1.  However, my opinion is that it is more like 20:1.

For sure there were far more than 8 wonderful RW who would date me seriously and exclusively.  

Eduard, your 8:1 ratio is still bullsheeeeet, and if you use such a number you are making a gross misrepresentation.   Yet, 8:1 understates what an American man may actually experience.

Of course, the man must remember that when he brings his RW to America, suddenly she finds 8x more men interested in her than she thought possible.  That is why the relationship needs to be solid.  Hope you are stressing to your clients that while this may be almost as easy as buying a cute puppy, a leash will not assure that she stays around.

[Eduard]

 Hope you are stressing to your clients that while this may be almost as easy as buying a cute puppy, a leash will not assure that she stays around.

this is precisely one of the main reasons why my clients hire me. Being a native Russian speaker I can quickly sort through all the BS and find women like my wife and like Gubaub's wife, who are sincere, with values and are not just looking for a mule.

[WmGO]

Seems like everyone is trying to pigeon hole every RW as
being this or that. Seems to me that there are all kinds with
many different characters and motivations, some good and some
bad.

Some are just plain scammers milking men for gifts, money or travel and
have no intention of moving anywhere. Some of these women are even
marrried.

Some are just immature daydreamers playing games. These are usually the
18 to 23 year olds.

Some are just Green Card girls looking for a mule to the West. If WM really knew the high percentage of woman that fall into that category they might reconsider
this venture.

Some are high maintenance, some require a lot of emotional input, others just a lot of economic material input, but generally are looking for a good husband, but just may not be good wife material themselves because of their own issues, mental make up or demands/expectations.

Some are very educated and are looking for a "high power" kind of relationship where the man is a successful businessman and they can be a successful businesswomen plowing their own ground. They look to the West primarily to achieve personal goals and "self realization" separate and apart from marriage and family, although they do want to be married, although some just want a mule so they can pursue their professional ambitions.

Some regardless of education level really believe their chances for a good marriage to a good man locally are dim and fading, and this is especially true of women in their late 20s and beyond. Some of these women really want to be married and have a child or two more than anything else and this is their prime motivation.

Some have a child or two, and seeking the highest good for their children is their number one goal and main consideration for looking to the West, because very few FSUM will accept a woman with a child/children.

Some of these women just don't know what they want, and are simply toying with WM while they try to figure it out. They figure, what the heck, it is something to do.

There is still more categories and types of FSUW to add in here, but the point should be clear - there are a lot of different types of FSUW with many different motivations and agendas when it comes to making themselves available to WM for marriage.

Caveat Emptor.





 
 

[IAmZon]

Caveat Emptor.

INDEED!


If I had the time and inclination I would write a long post on GAME. Not the type that results in manipulation and / or SCAMS.  But the human VERVE that enables one to be attractive to another.

If a AM has GAME, he ought be careful, but fear little. If little, or no GAME, there is no help on Earth. And that is the truth.

Alas, I have not the time, nor energy.

PS.  Edwards statistical correctness aside, his point is more or less accurate (for many reasons that include, and do not include mathematics).

[Eduard]

Seems like everyone is trying to pigeon hole every RW as
being this or that. Seems to me that there are all kinds with
many different characters and motivations, some good and some
bad.

Some are just plain scammers milking men for gifts, money or travel and
have no intention of moving anywhere. Some of these women are even
marrried.

Some are just immature daydreamers playing games. These are usually the
18 to 23 year olds.

Some are just Green Card girls looking for a mule to the West. If WM really knew the high percentage of woman that fall into that category they might reconsider
this venture.

Some are high maintenance, some require a lot of emotional input, others just a lot of economic material input, but generally are looking for a good husband, but just may not be good wife material themselves because of their own issues, mental make up or demands/expectations.

Some are very educated and are looking for a "high power" kind of relationship where the man is a successful businessman and they can be a successful businesswomen plowing their own ground. They look to the West primarily to achieve personal goals and "self realization" separate and apart from marriage and family, although they do want to be married, although some just want a mule so they can pursue their professional ambitions.

Some regardless of education level really believe their chances for a good marriage to a good man locally are dim and fading, and this is especially true of women in their late 20s and beyond. Some of these women really want to be married and have a child or two more than anything else and this is their prime motivation.

Some have a child or two, and seeking the highest good for their children is their number one goal and main consideration for looking to the West, because very few FSUM will accept a woman with a child/children.

Some of these women just don't know what they want, and are simply toying with WM while they try to figure it out. They figure, what the heck, it is something to do.

There is still more categories and types of FSUW to add in here, but the point should be clear - there are a lot of different types of FSUW with many different motivations and agendas when it comes to making themselves available to WM for marriage.

Caveat Emptor.





 
 

I never said that they are all the same, by the way. I absolutely agree that there are all kinds of RW, just like anywhere in the world with some cultural differences.
What I did say is that it is important to figure out who the woman you are interested in really is, her motives, values, character trates, personality, etc. And for her to figure out the same about you. I don't see how this can be accomplished without fluent communication for a few months, both by writing each other and then meeting in person and spending as much time together, getting to know each other as possible.

[Eduard]

PS.  Edwards statistical correctness aside, his point is more or less accurate (for many reasons that include, and do not include mathematics).

Thanks for posting this! I've been getting quite a few messages through my web site from the members of RWD who agree with my point of view, but it's a shame that they feel uncomfortable posting them here where everyone can see.

[Shadow]

Eduard I invite anyone of those people who send you a PM to post here.

As for your point of communication, I do not think anyone disagrees. The ability to communicate with a woman directly is very important. In the first part of the search having someone assist you in this communication is there for very helpful, however it is just as important to not have to have someone assist you as soon as possible. After all, if the communication stops the failures that were avoided early on will come back later.

The experienced members here value communication as much as you do, but they have developed a negative attitude to agency hype and sales pitches that sound like a used car dealer. 

[BC]

Just a quick take on this statistics thing.

Consider this...

In RU if I use any commonly used method to get 'dates', i.e. agencies, newspaper ads etc I'm pretty sure that one can acquire 8 dates with good looking women in their 20's and 30's even though I'm 48 and only slightly better looking than the gorilla at your local zoo.

If I use those same methods in the US, I would probably be lucky even to get one.  And get this:  THERE ARE PLENTY OF SINGLE GOOD LOOKING INTELLIGENT WOMEN IN THE US WITH SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS!

This is an 8:1 ratio that I would accept.

[I/O]

If we follow those words, the men who go looking for a foreign wife are looking for a "Trade up" as well.

Shadow: That's a given. No sane person will bother with all the BS of an international relationship if there were not some very significant "Trade Up" benifits. This of course begs another question. Are Russian women (Generally speaking) a trade up?

IMO the answer is no. :hairraising: :hairraising:

I've mixed with and "dated" (for the want of a better word) a number of Russian/FSU women and frankly I was never "Hooked on Russian" as it were. Yes of course they have some unique qualities but that is where it ends as far as I am concerned. What I happened to trip over at one time, even though I was too silly to see it at the time, was ONE woman who was and is a very significant trade up in some very subtle ways from other women I have known.

Nevertheless and notwithstanding her "uniqueness", I do question her intelligence and or sanity levels at times..............she married me.

I/O

[Gator]

Is it just me, or does anyone else dislike the term "trade up?"   I place it in the same category as "MOB."

“Trade up” suggests that a man (or woman) already has someone who was good enough for the past, still functional for the present, but there are bigger and better models available. 

It compares to trading in a used car for a new car or trading in a modest home for a luxurious home.  Nevertheless, many AM are accused of the former and some RW are accused of the latter (and continue to trade after arriving in the West).

I/O, unlike you I was "hooked" on RW.  For some reason, I get along well with them.  Most RW were open and honest with me, and they have fun.  Disregarding their beauty, if possible, there is much to adore about them such as their pragmatic and direct manner.   

As with you, not until I met my SPECIAL ONE  did I .....

[Eduard]

Just a quick take on this statistics thing.

Consider this...

In RU if I use any commonly used method to get 'dates', i.e. agencies, newspaper ads etc I'm pretty sure that one can acquire 8 dates with good looking women in their 20's and 30's even though I'm 48 and only slightly better looking than the gorilla at your local zoo.

If I use those same methods in the US, I would probably be lucky even to get one.  And get this:  THERE ARE PLENTY OF SINGLE GOOD LOOKING INTELLIGENT WOMEN IN THE US WITH SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS!

This is an 8:1 ratio that I would accept.

Exactly what I'm talking about!!! I guess I'm not the only one who experienced this statistical paradox!

[Misha]

In RU if I use any commonly used method to get 'dates', i.e. agencies, newspaper ads etc I'm pretty sure that one can acquire 8 dates with good looking women in their 20's and 30's even though I'm 48 and only slightly better looking than the gorilla at your local zoo.

It helps that dating is so much easier in Russia. I tried the North American sites such as Lavalife and you have to chat endlessly before you get a phone number or even a date and you have to waste all your money on "credits" and usually get nowhere. Over a period of months, I met only one woman that I found interesting. However, she was what I would consider a quasi-professional dater. She used the dating sites for an endless series of dates and I really doubt she was interested in a relationship.

In Russia, on the free dating site I was using, I could set up a date within a couple of hours. Let's say I was in a city and wanted a date. I would log-on and chat with some women from that city. After half-an-hour or so, I would propose that we meet for supper. In most cases, she would agree. Do you think that would have been possible on Lavalife in Canada? Never in your lifetime! Same thing with my wife: she gave me her cell phone number within 10 minutes. And, maybe it is because I know Russians quite well, it is easier to figure out whether a woman is truly interested than it is the case back home.

[Eduard]

Eduard,

I did not find American women as bad as you described.  In fact, some are wonderful.  A really pretty blond, talented and smart and now in her late 30s, still calls me (and I'm over 60).  Nevertheless, in my two years of dating AW, I never found one who made me forget about all other women.

When I went to Russia and Ukraine, I was amazed by the abundant number of quality women who expressed an interest in me.  Nevermind any questions about a woman's motivation and reasoning, I felt like I was in the best singles bar in the world.  

Twice I broke up with a RW after an exclusive and fairly long relationship.  Each time I sampled AW again.  It did not take long before I decided to return to Russia.

The following ratio is possible:   QualityRW:QualityAW::8:1.  However, my opinion is that it is more like 20:1.

For sure there were far more than 8 wonderful RW who would date me seriously and exclusively.  

Eduard, your 8:1 ratio is still bullsheeeeet, and if you use such a number you are making a gross misrepresentation.   Yet, 8:1 understates what an American man may actually experience.

Of course, the man must remember that when he brings his RW to America, suddenly she finds 8x more men interested in her than she thought possible.  That is why the relationship needs to be solid.  Hope you are stressing to your clients that while this may be almost as easy as buying a cute puppy, a leash will not assure that she stays around.

Gator,
I think you might want to re-read my post. I didn't say that AW are bad. I said that I personally experienced an incredible shortage of in shape, nice looking and under 40 women in Tampa bay area
I actually said that in my experince many BBWs are very nice people indeed, I just prefer to keep it on a "friends" basis with them because I'm not sexually attracted to overweight women. I personally know 5 guys that I can think of right now ages 28 through 50, all nice looking, in shape, financially stable  - who are single and looking for a few years with no luck.
(There used to be 7 single ones but 2 of them are now happily married to RW with my help, the other 5 are still trying to go the AW route).
I suspect that you didn't meet the "pretty blond" that is still calling you on any dating site. If she is as nice and pretty as you described her I would imagine that she is one of those women you meet by chance somewhere, the type of woman who don't put personals ads anywhere.
If she is as single, as pretty, as nice and as blond as you decribe her I would seriously consider her if I were you.

[Eduard]

It helps that dating is so much easier in Russia. I tried the North American sites such as Lavalife and you have to chat endlessly before you get a phone number or even a date and you have to waste all your money on "credits" and usually get nowhere. Over a period of months, I met only one woman that I found interesting. However, she was what I would consider a quasi-professional dater. She used the dating sites for an endless series of dates and I really doubt she was interested in a relationship.

In Russia, on the free dating site I was using, I could set up a date within a couple of hours. Let's say I was in a city and wanted a date. I would log-on and chat with some women from that city. After half-an-hour or so, I would propose that we meet for supper. In most cases, she would agree. Do you think that would have been possible on Lavalife in Canada? Never in your lifetime! Same thing with my wife: she gave me her cell phone number within 10 minutes. And, maybe it is because I know Russians quite well, it is easier to figure out whether a woman is truly interested than it is the case back home.

Gubaub is exactly right! When I was still single and visited Russia in 2002 I did the same thing - went to the internet cafe and was able to line up a couple of dates in a matter of a couple of hours.
A couple of things to consider though - #1 Gubaub speaks very good Russian and I am a native Russian speaker. Without that skill I seriously doubt anyone would be able to get the same results.
#2 just setting up dates and having a good time with a girl doesn't necessarily mean - love and marriage. I actually met my wife on a free Russian site - KM.RU
when I was back in the US, and we chatted for several months before we finally met.
So the moral of this story brings us back to statistical paradox: Why is it that neither Gubaub, so many other single men that I know, myself couldn't find a single, pretty, young girl to date here in the West for several years, when in Russia it can be accomplished in one day?
Now, I'm not the smartest guy (Bruno, your comment please!) but if the stats in the US are 1:1 and the same in Russia - 1:1 then where are all these women in the USA and where are the men in Russia???
You can throw the actuary numbers at me all day long but the reality that I see (and many others see) is quite different, wouldn't you agree?

[myrddin]

It helps that dating is so much easier in Russia. I tried the North American sites such as Lavalife and you have to chat endlessly before you get a phone number or even a date and you have to waste all your money on "credits" and usually get nowhere. Over a period of months, I met only one woman that I found interesting. However, she was what I would consider a quasi-professional dater. She used the dating sites for an endless series of dates and I really doubt she was interested in a relationship.

In Russia, on the free dating site I was using, I could set up a date within a couple of hours. Let's say I was in a city and wanted a date. I would log-on and chat with some women from that city. After half-an-hour or so, I would propose that we meet for supper. In most cases, she would agree. Do you think that would have been possible on Lavalife in Canada? Never in your lifetime! Same thing with my wife: she gave me her cell phone number within 10 minutes. And, maybe it is because I know Russians quite well, it is easier to figure out whether a woman is truly interested than it is the case back home.

I feel compelled to say something, possibly because I actually met my (now ex) on lavalife. (She grew up literally in the next town, but I never would have met her without lavalife.)  Like most people I went into internet dating "blind", thinking I didn't need to learn much more than how to write a profile.

I've noticed that a lot of the advice here should pretty much apply to dealing with women in general, not just FSUW.  (For example, most any woman who's really interested would want you to push for a meeting sooner rather than later.)  Certainly there are some cultural differences, and the chance to learn about the details of pursuing RW from the experienced members (and even the ladies themselves!) is invaluable.  And of course, that is why I am here now

gabaub, do you think people have to "know Russians" to get that vibe as you do, or is it something in the character of RW?

[Misha]

gabaub, do you think people have to "know Russians" to get that vibe as you do, or is it something in the character of RW?

It is good to get to know and understand Russians, however, there are cultural differences. In North America, women are much more cautious about dating: every date is a potential stalker or serial killer from their perspective from what I have gathered. I understand the need to be cautious, but there is cautious and then there is verging on paranoid. In my experience, Russian women are much more willing to go on a date, even if they do not think they will fall for a guy. They will take the risk and see how it works out. Worst case scenario, they get a date with perhaps a nice meal, best case scenario they may be pleasantly surprised.

[BC]

Exactly what I'm talking about!!! I guess I'm not the only one who experienced this statistical paradox!

Eduard,

I am happy that this issue is now resolved to everyones satisfaction.  Hopefully it will remain that way and all parties have a common context to work with.

I do wish though that you would have addressed the second and most important part of my statement, but maybe first a little reflection as to the motivators that create this disparity is in order before you do so.  Also your thoughts as to which would actually be better for me.. the one woman in the US that responded or the 8 in FSU and your thoughts whether or not this disparity will increase or decrease in the near, mid and long-term.

[Eduard]

It is good to get to know and understand Russians, however, there are cultural differences. In North America, women are much more cautious about dating: every date is a potential stalker or serial killer from their perspective from what I have gathered. I understand the need to be cautious, but there is cautious and then there is verging on paranoid. In my experience, Russian women are much more willing to go on a date, even if they do not think they will fall for a guy. They will take the risk and see how it works out. Worst case scenario, they get a date with perhaps a nice meal, best case scenario they may be pleasantly surprised.

It was a culture shock for me when I moved to the US in regard to women's attitude toward talking to "strange " men. It changed a bit now, but at the time I was living in Russia it was very common and acceptable for a guy to approach a woman on the street, on the bus, metro and just start a conversation, get her number, get a date. That was very easy and natural...your eyes meet, smile, talk, get her to laugh, get number. When I was 19 years old and leaving Russia I had 4 girlfriends and a couple of girls on standby.
Please, no yelling, I was only 19!!!
When I found myself in NY I tryed the usual approach. My English was pretty good, since I've been studying it since age 7 and went to a special English school in Moscow so language was not a problem. Culture was!
You should have seen the looks on the faces of girls when I tried talking with them on the subway or on the street!!!
Most were completely shocked! Not all but most (no exact stats on that...too old to remember...)
A totally, completely different reaction that I was getting from Russian girls in Russia.
I went for a year without a girl and it was shocking after leaving a harem of girls in Moscow.
I finally started seeing my 28 y.o. next door neighbour. She was a sexy woman who toughed me a lot, but then her therapist told her that it was unhealthy for her to see a 20 y.o. and she broke up with me. I then saw a 34y.o. woman from manhatten for a couple of months until I went away to college in Boston. The second week in college I already started seeing an 18 y.o. girl who became my first wife, with whom I spend 15.5 years.
And gator, she was a nice midwestern American girl, we are still friends and I sincerally believe that some of the best AW are from the midwest. They have similar, wholesome values as good RW in certain areas of FSU.