Am I crazy....

[Maxx]

Maxx,

Are you OLDEDEREDRER!  '99' You don't know what this means?  OMG!  I'm forty-six and know...

Jon

I was raised in religious cult and know what '666' means. Could this have something to do with s-e-x?

Maxx

[corncrowe]

Maxx,

Are you OLDEDEREDRER!  '99' You don't know what this means?  OMG!  I'm forty-six and know...

Jon

I was raised in religious cult and know what '666' means. Could this have something to do with s-e-x?

Maxx
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funfitguy99 (sex no) 

Maxx,

Take the pieces apart "Fun" "Fit Guy" "99".  So I would suspect he became fit and had fun beginning in 1999.  Duh!

Please don't read more into it and degrade the guy.  Remember, we are supposed to be here for one reason.  So, be considerate and try to understand our "unwritten charter".

Jon

[Maxx]

Please don't read more into it and degrade the guy.  Remember, we are supposed to be here for one reason.  So, be considerate and try to understand our "unwritten charter".

Jon

Gee  I'm really, really sorry. I know how traumatic it can be when people read more into your user name than what was intended. Take me for example I am Maxx with two "x's" so somebody suggested without three "x's" I was suggesting I had EDP and needed Bob Dole's solution. Well I must have died a thousand deaths of embarassment.... No I just took two "x's" because plain old Max had already been taken by some guy who never used it.

Maxx

 

[corncrowe]

BTW funfitguy99 does the 99 indicate your age? I have heard of some guys in their seventies that do this like Ronin's dad. Usually they are happily married to woman 50 - 55 years younger than themselves. Russian women are usually very traditional and prefer much older men closer to their grandfather's age for it's stability (and I-360 Widows Petition provisions :cool:) However you are 99 I would suggest a Russian woman about 30 to 35 years old.  Don't worry about a 65 - 70 year age gap because a RW matures much faster than an AW. Besides as men get old their pool of eligible women increases. So you don't have to go older because you don't have to.

 

Maxx...so what was the point of you making fun of his name?

Just curious...

Jon

[Turboguy]

Hi Ronin.

I'm new to this site and new to the world of RW. I read you response and it realy made allot of sence to me. I'm on Eastwestmatch.com, Globaladies.com and Russianladies.com, do you know anything about these sites or heard anything good or bad from anyone who has gone on tours with European Conections? I would appreciate you advise. Thanks.

I have been on three EC tours.   One in Nov/Dec 2001 to Kiev and Moscow.  One in March 2004 to Moscow and St Petersburg and one in Nov 2004 to Kiev and Vinittsa.

I had a blast.   It was a wonderful experience.   Most everyone seemed to enjoy it.  I don't think too many of the guys ended up married from it but many left thinking they would.   It is particularly good if you have never been to E. Europe and have never traveled much overseas.   They do a good job of holding your hand and making sure all goes well. 

I think once you have done a trip or two this way and got your feet under you there may be better ways to actaully meet the woman of your dreams. (I am not saying it can't happen in the tours and you will get your moneys worth)   What the best way for you to meet your lifemate may be 100% different than what will work for me.   You might find a smaller tour or an agency or a listing or just going and being there the best way. 

As far as the Global ladies thingy.  I dumped $ 100.00 into that and ran fast.   I see guys that waste $ 500.00- 1,000.00 a month and might not even be writing a woman or at least the one they think.   EC's sites like these are the biggest scam and at the top of every black list and scam list there is.   EC's tours are fine as are AFA and some of the smaller agencies.    If you want to write gals I would look more at some of the free sites like www.personals.ru  or www.eecl.org    Some of the agencies that charge a little less for the communications are also good.  When they charge you $ 8-10.00 a letter there is just too much opportunity to rip you off.   I am hopfully past the writing stage so I don't pay as much attention to things but Kevin that posts here has an agency that will hold your hand a lot and are more in the range of a couple of bucks a letter.   You will see some posts here from him.  There are some guys such as Kevin Bruno and Jack here with agencies that are all good.  I am missing some I am sure.   Bruno might be a good guy to hook up with.  Check out his site.  He will not rip you off. 

[funfitguy99]

funfitguy, can you give the name of the i-net dating site you are talking about. I have no problem with going there and looking for you. I feel I can tell you within about 93% certainty if your being scammed if you want to share a little info with me.

 

It is merrydating.com

[funfitguy99]

funfitguy99 (sex no) 

Maxx,

Take the pieces apart "Fun" "Fit Guy" "99".  So I would suspect he became fit and had fun beginning in 1999.  Duh!

Please don't read more into it and degrade the guy.  Remember, we are supposed to be here for one reason.  So, be considerate and try to understand our "unwritten charter".

Jon

 

No offense taken. Hell I'm a fun, fit guy and plan to live til I'm 99! I don't plan to die of old age. More likely, killed by a jealous husband when I'm 99....:dude:

[Michelangelo]

[user=398]funfitguy99[/user] wrote:

funfitguy, can you give the name of the i-net dating site you are talking about. I have no problem with going there and looking for you. I feel I can tell you within about 93% certainty if your being scammed if you want to share a little info with me.

 

It is merrydating.com

Let us know what you find out, Jack...thanks!

[Michelangelo]

Funfit...I've been thinking and my feeling is that this is not "for real."  Remember, someone is writing her for you and when you meet her she will not be the same as her letters.  So, yes--make backup plans.

These plans can include an agency, but also just walking the streets and hitting the social scene.  For example, look at this email I got today...from a friend I met when we were visting girls in Ukraine in April...

"Michael, Zhitomir is a really nice town and now being here for 9 weeks (+ 3 weeks March-April) you can not believe how many women are on the street...AMAZING!!!! I am in love and happy with my woman but I must recongnize that it is AMAZING that this country has so many knock-out women! ...the girls we met via the agency are nothing compared to how many there are on the streets.  And they are really friendly to Americans!"

So, FitFun, you might a great girl on your own without letters are an agency.  

I have used free lance translators in Ukraine before...let me know if you need recommendations.  Good luck

[Maxx]

Jon

I was making fun of really old guys who chase after very young women. Of course I know funfitguy99 is not 99 years old. And I suspected he would see this as tougue in check in the absurdity of a "65-70" age gap as being ideal. If you counter post to this counter counter post I suspect you are doing the same to me

Maxx

   

[Shadow]

[user=398]funfitguy99[/user] wrote:

funfitguy, can you give the name of the i-net dating site you are talking about. I have no problem with going there and looking for you. I feel I can tell you within about 93% certainty if your being scammed if you want to share a little info with me.

 

It is merrydating.com

Lets see what Jack thinks of it. I know it as a good dating site. And although not free of scammers and such (which site is), Andrej does try to stop dubious profiles and reacts to complaints and mail.

Merrydating allows to send messages without charge, only when you want to exchange contact information like e-mail, phone or home address you need to become paid member. As such it is possible for sincere women to express interest, and in fact it is quite common for them to do so.  They have an online translating service as well.

In case you wonder....yes I did meet my girl through this site.:cool:

[Bruno]

There are some guys such as Kevin Bruno and Jack here with agencies that are all good.  I am missing some I am sure.   Bruno might be a good guy to hook up with.  Check out his site.  He will not rip you off. 

You have forget Marc... from Tver... and maybe some other enough new here like the admin from HRB...

Now, about my site, don't dream of a full service... all is free but minimum... you browse our catalogue, you find a interesting woman and you write directly to her... in now way, we are in the process... and we make a minimum of control from the lady... IP control and for some, a control of passport... scammer can exist but until now, no complain... we try to filter before publishing...

If you need translation, use these forum... you have Vanilla, stirlits, ... some can help you with trip organsation, with hotel,... in reality, i think that you can find all you need in these little communauty that RWD is...

[PeeWee]

After reading these posts I now wonder what the average guy is spending from begin to end to locate, court, and marry a FSU woman. I lost track of my spending over the past 3 to 4 years. I do not think it would exceed 6K including a trip to Moscow and one to China for the purpose of meeting a woman in each location. I may be under estimating my expenditure. I think too that had I dated an AW for the past 3 to 4 years that I may have spent the same on her anyway.

Not included in this is 4K that I gave to the woman who I am now dating and another 1K that I gave her a few weeks ago to cover an emergency that she had. Several times she has offered to pay me back but I declined it. I think where I will save some money is that I do not need to pay for any immigration processes or visas. I guess the bottom line is that I did not keep track of my out go because I  did not care to or was not worried about what I was spending for this.

And I think that I have found a pretty good woman too. She has a great job in Russia that is an easy to transfer skill to many companies here in the US. She has already begun her reimmigration process. She has visited the US many times which means this will not be a suprise or shock to her. He and her daughter speak fluent English. She has a home, car, and above all else she wants to be the best wife that a guy could hope for. Or so she says. I suspect that she will arrive in the US and will be quick to Americanize and I will find myself doing the cooking and the cleaning while she porks up by the TV and Oprah.

PeeWee

[Shadow]

Not included in this is 4K that I gave to the woman who I am now dating and another 1K that I gave her a few weeks ago to cover an emergency that she had. Several times she has offered to pay me back but I declined it.

 

You are sure a dream date...$5K for a woman you are dating ? Better watch out that these 'emergencies' do not become a habit.

[andrewfi]

I can not conceive of the kind of 'emergency' that might cost $1000. Or even less how you might find yourself being responsible for it. How can giving her $4000 make sense?

People who have incomes in the hundreds of dollars per month are simply not active in the economic world where things cost thousands of dollars.

I am happy to help out my girlfriend, but my downside is very limited when her monthly income, one that allows her to take holidays in Turkey and the UK, is less than $500 per month. OK. slight exaggeration here, she may have breast cancer - we are working through the diagnosis phase at the moment, but if she is treated privately, I may end up putting a couple of thousand in the pot for her. In reality, she will probably receive perfectly fine treatment without payment.

I think that, in common with friends of mine who have moved here from the US for work, you have not yet understood the real values in this part of the world. Your 'girlfriend' knows this and you are being taken for a ride, perhaps in the car she bought with your 'emergency' money.

[PeeWee]

I was with her when the emergency occured. How could I not step up to the plate for it? She is going to pay me back, I am sure. And I am sure that I will decline her offer to do so. The other was a gift to her. She can repay me if she wishes to do so. She has offered several times and I have declined several times. This woman has more money than I do. I'm not too concerned about what I don't get back from her, nor should you be.

 

 

PeeWee

[PeeWee]

I can not conceive of the kind of 'emergency' that might cost $1000. Or even less how you might find yourself being responsible for it. How can giving her $4000 make sense?

People who have incomes in the hundreds of dollars per month are simply not active in the economic world where things cost thousands of dollars.

I am happy to help out my girlfriend, but my downside is very limited when her monthly income, one that allows her to take holidays in Turkey and the UK, is less than $500 per month. OK. slight exaggeration here, she may have breast cancer - we are working through the diagnosis phase at the moment, but if she is treated privately, I may end up putting a couple of thousand in the pot for her. In reality, she will probably receive perfectly fine treatment without payment.

I think that, in common with friends of mine who have moved here from the US for work, you have not yet understood the real values in this part of the world. Your 'girlfriend' knows this and you are being taken for a ride, perhaps in the car she bought with your 'emergency' money.

You seem somewhat cold hearted to me. You "may end up putting a couple of thousand in the pot for her"? Is that a whim for you? How magnanomous. For the woman I loved and would marry I would mortgage my home to get her the best treament possible to insure her health and saftey. And that is the difference between frugal you and generous me, I think.

Regarding the emergency. She called me on a Wednesday. Told me of the problem. I dropped everything I was doing and was on a plane by Friday to come to her aid. Moral support, money, advice, and we got her through it. The appreciation earned and the friendship solidified as a result of my willing action is very well "understood' in this part of the world. Oh...and as far as the car goes. She asked me if she could by me one. Now I wonder whose emergency money she will use for it? I declined her offer for the car. I have three very nice ones as it is and did not need a forth.

PeeWee

[Turboguy]

I have not followed this thread that close.   I think the whole thing is an issue of trust.  

First off a gal asking for money for an emergency is going to raise an issue of trust in my mind.   If I have doubts it is going to send up a big read flag.   Probably in a lot of relationships I might have had if someone came up with that emergency I might run fast the opposite way.   I might take them up on some kind of an offer and then back out at the last minute to see if they really meant it.   I don't need another car either but if they think you are accepting an offer then you may find out if they are serious.

On the other hand, I think if you love someone and are going to possibly spend your life with them you should be able to trust them totally.   I have seen enough with my gal that if she tells me she has an emergency, she does have an emergency.   I have even sent her money when she did not ask when I know she has a problem but she rarely asks for money unless it is something to do with one of my visits.   If I love someone and she has a real emergency I would do whatever I could no matter what to help her deal with it. 

[PeeWee]

I have not followed this thread that close.   I think the whole thing is an issue of trust.  

First off a gal asking for money for an emergency is going to raise an issue of trust in my mind.   If I have doubts it is going to send up a big read flag.   Probably in a lot of relationships I might have had if someone came up with that emergency I might run fast the opposite way.   I might take them up on some kind of an offer and then back out at the last minute to see if they really meant it.   I don't need another car either but if they think you are accepting an offer then you may find out if they are serious.

On the other hand, I think if you love someone and are going to possibly spend your life with them you should be able to trust them totally.   I have seen enough with my gal that if she tells me she has an emergency, she does have an emergency.   I have even sent her money when she did not ask when I know she has a problem but she rarely asks for money unless it is something to do with one of my visits.   If I love someone and she has a real emergency I would do whatever I could no matter what to help her deal with it. 

I agree with you on both counts, TG. In a new relationship you might think twice about comming up with your hard earned cash. In a 3 year old relationship your thought process is different. One's trust level elevates. If it has not elevated to a higher level in that time frame then you might look for another life partner becasue at some point, if you truely love someone, you might just be asked to give your life exchange for her's. Would you do it for someone that you truely loved?

 

PeeWee  

[andrewfi]

Unless you are a very poor man, a woman who has more money than you almost certainly does not need more from you... Makes sense does it not, coz otherwise, she would not need it. If her income is higher in the FSU than, for example, the US average income then she does not live in the economic universe shared by over 95% of her sisters.

Please allow me to feel that what you are telling us is not entirely true but is fashioned to try to save face, or score points - not sure which yet.

 

[BC]

Andrew,

Temporary cash flow problems..

In many ways money is like water.. It's difficult to hold in your hands, evaporates at a steady but alarming rate and no one around you refuses a drink.

When travelling in a arid areas take a large supply.

[funfitguy99]

Hey guys the more my girl and I write the more I believe she is legit. She is just too honest and sincere to be scamming me. In fact my only "red flag" is that she is just too damn beautiful. She looks a lot like a young Sopia Loren. Maybe that is why I like her. Come to think of it I may have got my first "woody" watchin a Sophia Loren movie.....:cool:

Anyway a few questions that quickly pop to mind:

1) What is the shortest visit a peson can make without suffering jet lag too bad and have a reasonable visit? I just have kids at home and I need to keep my visit as short as possible as not to inconvenience my family members who will be watching them.

2) How do you I tell my teenage kids (if I fall in love with this woman) that she lives in Ukraine and can't speak a word of English? Any tips on how to handle this or at least what NOT to do? For that matter telling people in my small town will be a trip too. I expect in a town of 6000 people she will be the ONLY woman who speaks Russian. Actually I don't mind being a "unique" couple....she will get a lot of attention I'm sure. But wonder how she will feel?

3) Do UW shave/trim their "carpet". I don't know why this question popped in my mind. I guess I just wondered cuz it seems most single AW do these days and I actually prefer that. While I'm on the subject does the "typical" UW have any sexual hang-ups about oral sex, menage a trois, bondage, sex toys, etc?....lol

4) Any tips or links to the least expensive flights?

5) My back-up plan (if Sophia turns out to have broad shoulders and a mustache!) I suppose is to just go visit a tour agency? Look thru an album and make a bunch of dates? 

6) Is there any reason I should just forget this whole deal and stick with a fat, lazy, sun-wrinkled, bitter AW who at least speaks English? (Don't mean to generalize about AW because I know they are not ALL like this but many are....

Thanks for any insight!

[jb]

Please allow me to feel that what you are telling us is not entirely true but is fashioned to try to save face, or score points - not sure which yet.

Is cynicism the order of the day?  

Even before I learned of the $5K in "emergency" funds I've been wondering about this deal.  The re-immigration process that requires no sponsorship is a biggy, the three year relationship with no strings, all indicate something amiss to my skeptical imagination.  I'm having real problems with the "re-immigration" thingy, there hasn't been a "green card lottery" for Russians for a very long time, (last one I know of was for the Russian Jews back in the late 1980's, and that ended years ago, there has never been one for Ukrainians).

Let's see what else bothers me about this story,,, she supposidly has a "right" to immigrate?  Under what circumstances?  Nobody has the "right" to immigrate.  If she had a GC, all she's have to do is get on a plane, no problem.  So she doesn't have a GC... If she had one before, and didn't spend at least 6 months plus one day per year in the USA, the Immigration Service considers the process to be abandoned, nix the GC theory. We also don't know if she has family here that can sponsor her.  I just don't see how someone, anyone, any foreign national, can just hire a lawyer and file for immigration and get it serious consideration.  Our immigration laws just don't work that way.  Especially post 9-11-01.

[jb]

3) Do UW shave/trim their "carpet". I don't know why this question popped in my mind. I guess I just wondered cuz it seems most single AW do these days and I actually prefer that. While I'm on the subject does the "typical" UW have any sexual hang-ups about oral sex, menage a trois, bondage, sex toys, etc?....lol

Really a bad question... Most RW's are pretty straight laced, they all know about oral sex, but the other kinky stuff is mostly not for public consumption.  You can easily get hookers three to the bed, but I'm afraid you'd have trouble with the good girls.

[BC]

[user=398]funfitguy99[/user] wrote:

Hey guys the more my girl and I write the more I believe she is legit. She is just too honest and sincere to be scamming me. In fact my only "red flag" is that she is just too damn beautiful. She looks a lot like a young Sopia Loren. Maybe that is why I like her. Come to think of it I may have got my first "woody" watchin a Sophia Loren movie.....:cool:

Go to your doctor and get something to make you forget about your testosterone level..  Or just find a nice lady to service your needs for a price.  Making good decisions is impossible in your current 'woody' state.  A different girl once a week can do wonders and is a lot cheaper in the long run.

Anyway a few questions that quickly pop to mind:

1) What is the shortest visit a peson can make without suffering jet lag too bad and have a reasonable visit? I just have kids at home and I need to keep my visit as short as possible as not to inconvenience my family members who will be watching them.

You can't.. especially if this is your first overseas trip.  Jetlag does not work that way. Plan on being miserable.

2) How do you I tell my teenage kids (if I fall in love with this woman) that she lives in Ukraine and can't speak a word of English? Any tips on how to handle this or at least what NOT to do? For that matter telling people in my small town will be a trip too. I expect in a town of 6000 people she will be the ONLY woman who speaks Russian. Actually I don't mind being a "unique" couple....she will get a lot of attention I'm sure. But wonder how she will feel?

Teenage kids with a new 'ma' getting all the attention can result in quick disaster. Vice versa applies also.  Nerves will be raw and might not be so much fun for anyone. Rumors in your small town will abound possibly making you an outcast or subject of humorous conversations. Takes a lot to get used to.

3) Do UW shave/trim their "carpet". I don't know why this question popped in my mind. I guess I just wondered cuz it seems most single AW do these days and I actually prefer that. While I'm on the subject does the "typical" UW have any sexual hang-ups about oral sex, menage a trois, bondage, sex toys, etc?....lol

That's your job to find out and half the fun if you get that far.

4) Any tips or links to the least expensive flights?

If the price of a first class ticket scares the bejeezers out of you might want to calculate how much the whole process could cost.  If you can't afford it don't start.  Many threads on cost here and other boards.

5) My back-up plan (if Sophia turns out to have broad shoulders and a mustache!) I suppose is to just go visit a tour agency? Look thru an album and make a bunch of dates? 

If you are brave even a walk down the street can be a backup plan. You will be as successful doing this there as you are at home.

6) Is there any reason I should just forget this whole deal and stick with a fat, lazy, sun-wrinkled, bitter AW who at least speaks English? (Don't mean to generalize about AW because I know they are not ALL like this but many are....

Look loooong and haaaard before leaping.

Thanks for any insight!

You are welcome!