Am I crazy....

[jb]

funfitguy99 wrote:

Hey guys the more my girl and I write the more I believe she is legit.

You should believe all that right up to where you meet her face-to-face.  You call her; "my girl", I wonder how many other men are calling her the same thing as we speak.

The truth is, you just don't know anything about her at this point.

Get your sh!t together before you make that leap of faith.

[funfitguy99]

Hey guys the more my girl and I write the more I believe she is legit.

You should believe all that right up to where you meet her face-to-face. You call her; "my girl", I wonder how many other men are calling her the same thing as we speak.

The truth is, you just don't know anything about her at this point.

Get your sh!t together before you make that leap of faith.[/quote]
 

Well if she is carrying on with more guys than just me she has an awful lot of free time to write such long, personalized letters to me.

I may be a crazy romantic but I'm really not an idiot. I'm going to be cautious. It seems like a lot of people on this board are quite skeptical, cynical, pessimistic of these women who write back.

The only experience I have is with the women I have met online in the U.S. My experience with them has mainly been that many of the U.S. women lie with their pictures. They use 5 - 10 y/o pics. Then when u meet them they explain how they've "recently" gained weight or something.

If she is lying to me about her pictures I will just kindly thank her for meeting me and go my merry way. Same thing if she is beautiful but emoionally unbalanced. I will thank her but tell her she is not my type.

On the other hand, she just seems so perfect so I'm afraid I would regret it if I never meet her.

[funfitguy99]

3) Do UW shave/trim their "carpet". I don't know why this question popped in my mind. I guess I just wondered cuz it seems most single AW do these days and I actually prefer that. While I'm on the subject does the "typical" UW have any sexual hang-ups about oral sex, menage a trois, bondage, sex toys, etc?....lol

Really a bad question... Most RW's are pretty straight laced, they all know about oral sex, but the other kinky stuff is mostly not for public consumption. You can easily get hookers three to the bed, but I'm afraid you'd have trouble with the good girls.[/quote]
I want a good girl who likes to be bad girl behind closed doors. Surely there are RW who fit this category?

 

[BC]

[user=398]funfitguy99[/user] wrote:

It seems like a lot of people on this board are quite skeptical, cynical, pessimistic of these women who write back.

Remember we know very little about you or her.. the average RW seeker is a strange critter.

Better to have low expectations to enjoy if something nice happens than high expectations and stranded at Borispol or SVOII. I think it would be interesting to spend a couple of days at the arrival hall of these airports just watching what happens when guys with high expectations get off the plane.

[Bruno]

[user=398]funfitguy99[/user] wrote:

3) Do UW shave/trim their "carpet". I don't know why this question popped in my mind. I guess I just wondered cuz it seems most single AW do these days and I actually prefer that. While I'm on the subject does the "typical" UW have any sexual hang-ups about oral sex, menage a trois, bondage, sex toys, etc?....lol

Really a bad question... Most RW's are pretty straight laced, they all know about oral sex, but the other kinky stuff is mostly not for public consumption. You can easily get hookers three to the bed, but I'm afraid you'd have trouble with the good girls.

I want a good girl who likes to be bad girl behind closed doors. Surely there are RW who fit this category?

 
[/quote]
Marry a russian hooker... she will have all the knowledge and can seem a good girl before everybody... and don't forget the little money at the end of night :P:P

Really, what do you search, a wife or a slut... three in a bed is really too much, why not exchange...

Of course so woman exist everywhere in the world but if you wish something like this, why have you never speak about this with your actual girlfriend... of maybe you wish transform her in sex slave when she will be in USA...

Yes, we find from all on RWD... the best and the bad :X

[PeeWee]

Unless you are a very poor man, a woman who has more money than you almost certainly does not need more from you... Makes sense does it not, coz otherwise, she would not need it. If her income is higher in the FSU than, for example, the US average income then she does not live in the economic universe shared by over 95% of her sisters.

Please allow me to feel that what you are telling us is not entirely true but is fashioned to try to save face, or score points - not sure which yet.

 

You gotta be a moron, Andrew, to come up with an assessment like that. Why does it make a difference to you who she is or what she is? You don't need to try to second guess this one. Your logic is warped. And it does not need further explaination. There is no point to it.

You can feel any way you wish. Unless you know the circumstances behind it then you can only assume and in this case your assumption is wrong. You just need to know that not all women who live in the FSU are poor shop girls. I'd say the majoryity of you guys are attacting them and that is why your mentality is skewed in that way. But there are a few well to do women who live in the FSU who still want to live somewhere else for whatever reason they do.

PeeWee

[Turboguy]

Hey, if something is important to you then you should just be right up front in your initial contact.   It would be a real bummer to go all that distance and to all that effort and end up with a gal with hair or one who only wanted to love you and no one else at the same time.

[PeeWee]

Please allow me to feel that what you are telling us is not entirely true but is fashioned to try to save face, or score points - not sure which yet.

Is cynicism the order of the day?

Even before I learned of the $5K in "emergency" funds I've been wondering about this deal. The re-immigration process that requires no sponsorship is a biggy, the three year relationship with no strings, all indicate something amiss to my skeptical imagination. I'm having real problems with the "re-immigration" thingy, there hasn't been a "green card lottery" for Russians for a very long time, (last one I know of was for the Russian Jews back in the late 1980's, and that ended years ago, there has never been one for Ukrainians).

Let's see what else bothers me about this story,,, she supposidly has a "right" to immigrate? Under what circumstances? Nobody has the "right" to immigrate. If she had a GC, all she's have to do is get on a plane, no problem. So she doesn't have a GC... If she had one before, and didn't spend at least 6 months plus one day per year in the USA, the Immigration Service considers the process to be abandoned, nix the GC theory. We also don't know if she has family here that can sponsor her. I just don't see how someone, anyone, any foreign national, can just hire a lawyer and file for immigration and get it serious consideration. Our immigration laws just don't work that way. Especially post 9-11-01.[/quote]
You are a smart man, jb. Her visa expired. New visa needed to reenter and she is smart enough to know that an immigration attorney can figure out how to process it fast and with less hassle than she herself can. It is simple.  And I can see that you are about to learn something that you do not know about our immigrgation process. Listen and learn. I'll let you know when it happens. OK?

Not everything in this world is a bread and butter cookie cutter operation. There are variances and as I said weeks ago, I am involved in a situation that is a one and a million thing. It won't happen to any of you so there is no point of going into the details as there will be nothing you can gain for it. I think what has happened is that many of you have become so cynical and jaded in this process that you have lost your ability to see the fresh and new possibilities.

PeeWee

[PeeWee]

Hey guys the more my girl and I write the more I believe she is legit.

You should believe all that right up to where you meet her face-to-face. You call her; "my girl", I wonder how many other men are calling her the same thing as we speak.

The truth is, you just don't know anything about her at this point.

Get your sh!t together before you make that leap of faith.[/quote]
jb, you have to me one jaded mo-fo to come up with a response like that! Give the guy some slack. He is feeling link he is making progress why throw water on his enthusiasm? Contrary to what many of you naysayers believe there are a few legit woman in the FSU. I have met at least three of them. One now lives in the US. And, oh by the way, she immigated here with her son, just her and her son, no sugar daddy, no man. It can be done.

Now jb I'd like to see you say something positive to the guy so that I don't go thinking negative thoughts about you. I thnk he has a right to feel the power of a buddng friendship. It should be encouraged. I'd recommend a visit to see her. That is always an eye opener. We call all agree on that.

I leave next week for my third visit. I fully expect to have my eyes opened even wider than they already are. Best of luck to you funfitguy99

 

PeeWee

[ConnerVT]

PeeWee, it seems that in just a few posts, you slammed two guys whom collectively have spent more time in the FSU and have read more stories about the different situations that men who date RW have found themselves in.  And most of the time, jb and Andrew do not agree on many subjects.  Their thoughts are similar on this one.  Might that seem like a good time to listen?

After all, it was just a month ago you wrote this:

[user=57]PeeWee[/user] wrote:

It seems I have learned nothing over my past 4 years of communicating, dating, and visiting with Russian women. I have not yet figured out what they are all about. I still run into situations, words said, that I am not sure if I grap the meaning of. Or that I am responding to the situation correctly.

I have been away from the forum for more than 16 months but I am now back to learn more, or relearn what I forgot. I am still baffled by it all but I have survived two very serious relationships that were heading toward marriage and a couple more of the more casual ones. But things are now heating up again. As I mentioned in another thread I am leaving soon for my second visit to Moscow. This will be my 7th meeting with the wily Russan woman. I hope this time results in a long lasting relationship.

 

Perhaps what Andrew and jb write has some validity, and pointing it out serves a purpose?

[funfitguy99]

jb, you have to me one jaded mo-fo to come up with a response like that! Give the guy some slack. He is feeling link he is making progress why throw water on his enthusiasm? Contrary to what many of you naysayers believe there are a few legit woman in the FSU. I have met at least three of them. One now lives in the US. And, oh by the way, she immigated here with her son, just her and her son, no sugar daddy, no man. It can be done.

Now jb I'd like to see you say something positive to the guy so that I don't go thinking negative thoughts about you. I thnk he has a right to feel the power of a buddng friendship. It should be encouraged. I'd recommend a visit to see her. That is always an eye opener. We call all agree on that.

I leave next week for my third visit. I fully expect to have my eyes opened even wider than they already are. Best of luck to you funfitguy99

 

PeeWee

 

Thanks PeeWee for the encouragement.

I'll be honest....my image of this RW dating is a bunch of old guys trying to pick-up on women who would never give them a second look here in the U.S.

Now since I'm 44 maybe I'm falling into that category as well. However, my problem is not that I've not been able to date beautiful AW because I have. However, what I have found is that the beautiful women over 30 here who are single are not very "giving". They seem to be more "takers". It is all about them. Despite this, the 3 most beautiful "takers" I've dated ALL wanted to keep going out with. While I was attracted to their physical beauty I just prefer a relationship that is more healthy.

I then dated a couple women who were very beautiful and giving on the inside....but quite average looking on the outside. Of course, If I had to choose I would take the latter anyday.

My problem is that if I am going to live to be 99 then I want a woman who is beautiful inside AND out. RW pique my interest. Maybe I will find out they are just like AW. My hope is to find a beautiful, giving woman. So far this girl sounds like she is....even if she can't speak a word of English!....lol

 

[PeeWee]

[user=398]funfitguy99[/user] wrote:

jb, you have to me one jaded mo-fo to come up with a response like that! Give the guy some slack. He is feeling link he is making progress why throw water on his enthusiasm? Contrary to what many of you naysayers believe there are a few legit woman in the FSU. I have met at least three of them. One now lives in the US. And, oh by the way, she immigated here with her son, just her and her son, no sugar daddy, no man. It can be done.

Now jb I'd like to see you say something positive to the guy so that I don't go thinking negative thoughts about you. I thnk he has a right to feel the power of a buddng friendship. It should be encouraged. I'd recommend a visit to see her. That is always an eye opener. We call all agree on that.

I leave next week for my third visit. I fully expect to have my eyes opened even wider than they already are. Best of luck to you funfitguy99

 

PeeWee

 

Thanks PeeWee for the encouragement.

I'll be honest....my image of this RW dating is a bunch of old guys trying to pick-up on women who would never give them a second look here in the U.S.

Now since I'm 44 maybe I'm falling into that category as well. However, my problem is not that I've not been able to date beautiful AW because I have. However, what I have found is that the beautiful women over 30 here who are single are not very "giving". They seem to be more "takers". It is all about them. Despite this, the 3 most beautiful "takers" I've dated ALL wanted to keep going out with. While I was attracted to their physical beauty I just prefer a relationship that is more healthy.

I then dated a couple women who were very beautiful and giving on the inside....but quite average looking on the outside. Of course, If I had to choose I would take the latter anyday.

My problem is that if I am going to live to be 99 then I want a woman who is beautiful inside AND out. RW pique my interest. Maybe I will find out they are just like AW. My hope is to find a beautiful, giving woman. So far this girl sounds like she is....even if she can't speak a word of English!....lol

 

Here is what I know. I used to post on the forum about 3 years ago. I got so tired of these negative know it alls who all they could seem to do is profess to be real experts on the matter of RW and how to catch and bag one. I quit posting and what do you know? I did quite well on my own.

Here is what I am going to tell you. Take these advices with a large grain of salt. There is some good info to glean but you need to look for it in amungst the crap. What jb said is uncalled for. He has not clue how to support a forum brother otherwise he would have some useful advices for you.

Do your thing, man. Find a good woman, get into her, and go visit her. If she is not it then go for another. And for the record, women are takers, that is who they are. AW or RW it makes do difference. Did you ever notice who gets the hottest women? The rich guys do. There is a reason for that. If you want a 5 that is fine and if you have an average income you can have all the 5s that you want. Bill Gates is one of the goofiest looking guys around as is his partner in crime Paul Allen. Have you noticed the women that Allen hangs with? None less than a 10.

RW 10s seem to be less demanding. That is why some of these guys can have a Russian 8 but not an American 8. They need him for more than just a marriage partner. You know what they need. A way out of Eastern Europe. And if a guy gets lucky he will have a good and lasting marriage. But if he chooses then he is screwed. But so it is with AW. I prefer the Eastern European woman, even with the potential pit falls.

Go to it, guy. Try to ingnore most of these clowns, if you can.

 

PeeWee

[ConnerVT]

 
Here is what I know. I used to post on the forum about 3 years ago. I got so tired of these negative know it alls who all they could seem to do is profess to be real experts on the matter of RW and how to catch and bag one. I quit posting and what do you know? I did quite well on my own.

 

Yes, your insights are really good.  I thought you were quite wise with your comments on the murdered Ukraine model.  A refreshing blend of insult AND ignorance.  Charming... :?

[itstime]

RW 10s seem to be less demanding. That is why some of these guys can have a Russian 8 but not an American 8. They need him for more than just a marriage partner. You know what they need. A way out of Eastern Europe.

Only a sucker believes this myth. Just because life in Russia is different from life in America does not mean that it is worse. There are many Americans who marry Russian women and EMIGRATE to Russia. I'm not talking about the ex-pats who cluster around Moscow business circles but about ordinary guys who found love in Russia and who decided that life would be better over there with a loving wife.

Any RW who marries to get out of Eastern Europe is chasing an impossible fantasy because life in the USA is not like a hollywood movie. And women who live in the USA and who love living in the USA are normally called "American women". If you found one in Russia, then good luck to you.

 

[Shadow]

[user=398]funfitguy99[/user] wrote:

My problem is that if I am going to live to be 99 then I want a woman who is beautiful inside AND out. RW pique my interest. Maybe I will find out they are just like AW. My hope is to find a beautiful, giving woman. So far this girl sounds like she is....even if she can't speak a word of English!....lol

Lets hope you find this attactive when you are 99

Before anyone will start telling about how women age differently in the USA, please put up a picture of a 60-year ol Russian woman with her model-quality pic of when she was in her 20's.

[Bruno]

And for the record, women are takers, that is who they are. AW or RW it makes do difference. Did you ever notice who gets the hottest women? The rich guys do. There is a reason for that. If you want a 5 that is fine and if you have an average income you can have all the 5s that you want. Bill Gates is one of the goofiest looking guys around as is his partner in crime Paul Allen. Have you noticed the women that Allen hangs with? None less than a 10.

Allow me to disagree partialy... mind of woman is more complex that this... When they are young, several woman wish marry rich and play-boy man... unfortunaly, these rich and beautiful man have no problem to find a other woman more beautiful... with the year, so babe wish more stability...

I know some local woman who are a 10+ ... and they are married with a man who can maybe say a 0 ... no money, ugly, ... when i ask to these woman why they marry so man, she explain that before, they have try good locking man with money but that these man was always hunting other ladies, was not wishing children... that relation last not long... that now, they have a man who wish children, who make all she wish in the fear of loose her... and the more important, nobody go try to take his man because he don't attract other woman...

Yes, woman are always taker but not always like you think... the way a woman think is several time too much complex for us and difficult to understand... it is always a reason but good luck to find it...

Of course, my example is only a few case... but woman can have several other reason... be a top model is not always easy... people think that you are a grazy bimbo who know nothing, that you are a sexual toy,... and in some case, love is like magnet... opposite field attract each other...

So, let see this at the level of RW... in Russia, it is almost a national sport for men to search other women, more young and sexy... don't forget, they are already there and know the language... Several woman begin tired of this and search older man who are more stable... so, they choice older American man... Why not a older local one... because it is not a solution... the man middle age for dead in Russia is only 54 year old... marry a older man in Russia mean be a widow at short term... so, women can choice older man not for the money but for the stability... they know that if a older American man marry a young babe, he will not search other woman... money is of course a bonus ...

But same this is not always working... on LV, i have know the sotory from a woman married to a UK man more old that her... around 20 year difference... and he was around 50 year old... now, he have reach 70 year old, have make 3 children... and surprise, he have quit her, and begin again hunting young woman... at 70 year old... again some special situation...

My point is simple... you will never be sure why a woman marry you... for you money, for your charm, for the stability, for change country,... it is always some motive but only her know it... so, enjoy the time that you have with her and don't think about his motivation... at each marriage, you promise to stay together until the dead separe you... several here are divorced and know that a marriage can have a limited year of existence... enjoy these year and be happy if these periode is long...

Yes, i am divorced from RW... she have marry me for receive the nationality... we have stay together 5 year... and in these 5 year, i have know good time... i have grow up a lovely daughter... now, i begin a other chapter... but the book of my life is not finish and i don't know how much chapter can again appear... enjoy each chapter and don't thing that your wife have marry you for money or other reason... this will be always something unknow... i have know the reason at the end of chapter because she have wish explain it...

Guys, welcome in world of the love relation... the place where you can never be sure of all... forget your doubt and learn to trust... only so, you can enjoy of the life... if you cannot fully trust, it is better to stay alone and have some short relation...

[Bruno]

Lets hope you find this attactive when you are 99

Before anyone will start telling about how women age differently in the USA, please put up a picture of a 60-year ol Russian woman with her model-quality pic of when she was in her 20's.

When he will be 99, he will hunt woman like you can find on my site... old babouska like you photo exist but i have never see one on internet... usually, they don't know what is a computer... you find find old attractive woman in FSU without problem :



50 year old , http://www.love-from-russia.be/woman/0000068.htm



51 year old, http://www.love-from-russia.be/woman/0000230.htm



50 year old , http://www.love-from-russia.be/woman/0000490.htm



51 year old , http://www.love-from-russia.be/woman/0000304.htm

and more ...

[Shadow]

Bruno, I do not think the babushka's are on the internet, but there is no guarantee that the beautiful 20 year old will turn in to the women like you show.

My hopefully mother-in-law is 64 and could keep up with those pics of 50-year olds. But that is no guarantee her daughter will look the same at that age. Some things are more important than looks, but I am just a hopeless romantic

[Bruno]

Agree with you... soon or late, outside beauty dissapear... only inside beauty, the charm stay and resist the damage of time ...

[PeeWee]

 
Here is what I know. I used to post on the forum about 3 years ago. I got so tired of these negative know it alls who all they could seem to do is profess to be real experts on the matter of RW and how to catch and bag one. I quit posting and what do you know? I did quite well on my own.

 

Yes, your insights are really good.  I thought you were quite wise with your comments on the murdered Ukraine model.  A refreshing blend of insult AND ignorance.  Charming... :?
[/quote]
I know. Glad you can see it.

PeeWee

[Elen]

Amazing to see how you boys are discussing what look girl would have in 99.

Let go and look at a mirror - just now  and even don't try to imagine how you will look like in yours 90s - it's dangerous for your psyche:P)

[corncrowe]

Amazing to see how you boys are discussing what look girl would have in 99.

Let go and look at a mirror - just now  and even don't try to imagine how you will look like in yours 90s - it's dangerous for your psyche:P)

I already buy my future looks with American plastic operation.  See, here is what I will look like at 90!

[corncrowe]

Amazing to see how you boys are discussing what look girl would have in 99.

Let go and look at a mirror - just now  and even don't try to imagine how you will look like in yours 90s - it's dangerous for your psyche:P)

I already buy my future looks with American plastic operation.  See, here is what I will look like at 90!



Even if you look twice, I am still beautiful!!!

[Bruno]

Amazing to see how you boys are discussing what look girl would have in 99.

Let go and look at a mirror - just now  and even don't try to imagine how you will look like in yours 90s - it's dangerous for your psyche:P)

I don't need a mirror  ... at 99 y.o., i will be like the dust i clean each day from my home :? ... nothing more ... but until the dead find me, i hope enjoy the life, so i have no problem with my psyche ;)

 

[Shadow]

Amazing to see how you boys are discussing what look girl would have in 99.

Let go and look at a mirror - just now  and even don't try to imagine how you will look like in yours 90s - it's dangerous for your psyche:P)

Women can always hope we will look better at old age.