political wives?

[Kuna]

Hopefully she will be able predict the results of elections better than you can!

 

I don't know if I ever said Howard would win... maybe i said something like "Australians won't be so stupid to vote in Rudd"...  but I would have been wrong.. we're obviously that stupid, and more.

I hope the Ruddites are happy with the performance so far?

Apology anyone?

 

[ScottinCrimea]

My wife didn't care much about following the political scene in Ukraine and she cares even less about US politics.  She does, however, follow the economic news and thinks we need to get back to Ukraine before the inevitable crash occurs here.

My MIL, on the other hand, follows politics in both countries very closely but believes that she isn't provided the best unbiased US politiocal news.  Most of the news they do get is from the large media groups, which have a definite left lean, and she is astute enough to notice this.

I have noticed that some people in other countries (not just the FSU) make their decision on whether they like a president based on whether he has visited their country or not, nothing more.

As far as my personal opinion on the current candidates, I, too am disappointed that we can't do better.  On the democratic side, I don't know enough about what Obama actually stands for to have an educated opinion.  Some things, so far though, have definitely made me wary.  I think once he is forced to be specific about his ideas and his record is examined, he will lose some of his appeal for many.  Hillary scares the heck out of me.  Her history is one of being totally self-serving and I can't imagine that changing.  Her attitude seems like she wants to be the queen, not a servant of the people.  If she takes us back to any of Bill's old policies, such as gutting the intelligence community and the military, we are toast.  I have no respect for her at all.

On the Republican side, McCain also scares me a little.  I have great respect for his service in the military and his conduct as a POW, but there's a maverik side to him that I fear might get us in hot water, or at the least blow any chance at a bipartisan government.

Whoever does win, they definitely have their work cut out for them.  They're facing a sinking economy, a divided electorate and a growing terrorist threat, just to name a couple of issues.  Why would anyone even want the job?

[planner]

My wife is not politically oriented and in fact avoids expressing political opinions.  She does like to know how things works.  In studying for the citizenship/naturalization exams she has been studying our system of government.  We were lucky enough to visit Monticello, where Thomas Jefferson lived.  Her son wrote a paper in high school about the Lewis and Clark exhibition which was sent out West to find out what was out here.  I didn't know until visiting Monticello that Jefferson sent that expedition.  For her there is a connection she can relate to after visiting Washington DC and Monticello.  She still can't determine the difference between the political parties. 

When politics and not principles determine the direction the parties are going they're both just power focused and she understands that.  It's how power is regulated that she seems more interested in.  I get the feeling that our checks and balances system intrigues her.  She's very conservative in how things should work and very liberal in how she will look at things for perspective.  I very much appreciate the conservative foundation we share.  For me conservative is very close to realist and that seems to be very much a shared area in Russian thought and conservative American thought.  Maybe that's just a reflection of my personality so the people I know and look for are similar to me.  Maybe Russians are realists in general and I appreciate that. 

[Jazzyclassy]

As the matter of fact neither McCain nor Obama will save America from its up coming crisis unfortunately , so all those American plans in order to ruin and separate and make countries quarrel  are of course coming true, but the consequences  of their own damage they can feel very soon with their dollar falling and economy crisis.
And it is not my invention or my delusion how many of you like to point out here, it is a well known fact.

So wether you are political wife or not , that does not change anything really

[DKMM]

Guys pay attention to Jazzy's post.  This is what the Russian masses are eating up from their sources of information daily.  I had a call from my ex recently and the first thing she asked was if everybody in my family is doing okay due to our supposed crisis.   My other Russian friends have echoed similar concerns.

They honestly (sadly ignorant) think we are headed for our own 1998 moment.  Meanwhile back in reality our economy is still pumping out more GDP in a month than Russia does in a year. 

This can insert interesting moments when guys are courting women over there, but since this is the married forum I'll leave it at that.  Try explaining to your wives fiat currency and how the dollar is being driven down by commodities and relative interest rates... I'd love to hear how that is accomplished. 

[Jazzyclassy]

Well not only crisis in financial field, you have crisis within the social field as well

stop denying your own problems and finally accept them.

 

[KenC]

Guys pay attention to Jazzy's post.  This is what the Russian masses are eating up from their sources of information daily.  I had a call from my ex recently and the first thing she asked was if everybody in my family is doing okay due to our supposed crisis.   My other Russian friends have echoed similar concerns.

They honestly (sadly ignorant) think we are headed for our own 1998 moment.  Meanwhile back in reality our economy is still pumping out more GDP in a month than Russia does in a year. 

This can insert interesting moments when guys are courting women over there, but since this is the married forum I'll leave it at that.  Try explaining to your wives fiat currency and how the dollar is being driven down by commodities and relative interest rates... I'd love to hear how that is accomplished. 

DKMM,
Very good post and very good points made.  I cannot begin to count the misinformation Lena debunks on a daily basis with her parents still in Russia.
KenC

[Ronnie]

Here we go again with a know-it-all RW (jazzy) telling how life is like "socially" in the States;  all without ever having lived there.  Amazing, just amazing.

While my wife takes her cues on politics from me, she does discuss them alot with her friends and family both here and in the FSU.  She is a true Ukrainian and dislikes immensely the actions of the "chekist" Russian president ordering the poisoning of Yuschenko and trying to maintain it's stranglehold on Ukraine by any means.

She distrusts all political parties, be they in Russia, Ukraine, the UK or America.  None have the best interests of the average person at heart.  Parties, by their definition are self-serving.

As independents, we are ambivalent about the upcoming election...none of the leading candidates are of the caliber of those who dropped out or were unable to get traction. 

If Obama's father were Kansan instead of Kenyan, he would not be a candidate (or even a senator). 
If Hillary were not the wife of an ex-president, she would not be a candidate (or even a senator). 
If McCain were not the son of an admiral who got him into Annapolis and insisted he not drop out (graduating 894th out of 899), he'd be a retired truck driver living in Sun City.

If Ron Paul looked and sounded more presidential, he'd do great things for the United States and the world. 

If Mitt Romney were not born Mormon he'd become the most competent president of all time and a great ambassador to the world. 
-Actually, if evangelical preachers had not spent the last 150 years railing against Mormons they would not now be faced with nothing but bad choices.  Romney stood for and lived their precepts more than any other candidate.  Karma, I suppose.

The founding fathers were wise in setting up the three branches of government to protect us from dreadful situations of our own making.
I don't think they imagined we'd be so foolish however, as to return incumbent congressmen to Washington an alarming 95% of the time.

Yes, Jazzy, we are headed for an recession in America, it's a normal aspect of economic cycles.  But don't forget that a recession in America is a recession everywhere.  Russia is ill-equipped to deal with it.  We don't fear for America, we fear for those unfortunate souls living in the FSU who are already living on the brink.

If we can learn only one lesson from history, it would be that wishing ill upon someone else inevitably blows back in one's face.

[Jazzyclassy]

       Yes, Jazzy, we are headed for an recession in America, it's a normal aspect of economic cycles.  But don't forget that a recession in America is a recession everywhere.  Russia is ill-equipped to deal with it.  We don't fear for America, we fear for those unfortunate souls living in the FSU who are already living on the brink.

               

Oh thank you almighty Ronnie , but please do not worry for us , we will cope without you somehow

I think you  know more about Russia  than I do ,  not living there, what I know about America it is my point of view, I discuss it here  am not telling that I am right, so once again if you want to pick on me about american issue, you are welcome, but do not need to show that You know everything , as you do not

this site is owned by american people , and they prove one more time that there is no freedom of speech neither in america nor on this site and no need to bla bla bla else

[Ronnie]

this site is owned by american people , and they prove one more time that there is no freedom of speech neither in america nor on this site and no need to bla bla bla else

wow. 

[KenC]

Oh thank you almighty Ronnie , but please do not worry for us , we will cope without you somehow

I think you  know more about Russia  than I do ,  not living there, what I know about America it is my point of view, I discuss it here  am not telling that I am right, so once again if you want to pick on me about american issue, you are welcome, but do not need to show that You know everything , as you do not

this site is owned by american people , and they prove one more time that there is no freedom of speech neither in america nor on this site and no need to bla bla bla else

Jazzy,
Freedom of speech works for everyone.  You are free to post your opinions.  And we are free to call them invalid due to ignorance of the subject.
KenC

[Jazzyclassy]

Jazzy,
Freedom of speech works for everyone.  You are free to post your opinions.  And we are free to call them invalid due to ignorance of the subject.
KenC

To my mind your whole personality is invalid so it is all mutual do not you worry 

The chaos which is happening in the whole world at the minute is going according to American plan and they are actively participating in ruining this or that country, now prove it is not  like that!

Ugoslavia

Kosovo

Iraq

Now Americans want to threaten Belorussia , by its isolation and not giving them visas
and many many other situations

So if am ignorant according to KenC  then  some of you are blind and deaf

[deccie]

The chaos which is happening in the whole world at the minute is going according to American plan and they are actively participating in ruining this or that country, now prove it is not  like that!

If they do have plans (and I really doubt that they do) at least they are a bit more subtle about it than the Soviet Union was at the end of the Great Patriotic War. Russian Tanks rolling through the streets of Eastern Europe and suppressing the locals is a hard image to forget - but you might be too young for that Jazzy. The tensions between the then Soviet Union started after all at the time of the blockade of Berlin by the USSR. But then again, I suspect that little bit of history isn't taught in Russia.

Russia is quite willing and able to meddle in the affairs of other nations if it suits Russian internal interests to do so based on it's history. So please don't pretend to be the Virgin Bride here Jazzy.

Ugoslavia

Kosovo

The ethnic tensions in the former Yugoslavia go back a very long time. After all, one world War already started in Serbia.

Before the American/NATO/European intervention in Yugoslavia both sides were butchering each other and an awful lot of civilians died. 

Personally I would prefer the politicial tensions we have today than innocent people dying in droves. Nor do I think anyone has forced the  Kosovans at knife point or gun point to declare independance. Perhaps the Serbian majority doesn't like that it has happened.. But to blame the US for that is just ridiculous.

Iraq

For all the problems Iraq has today I don't see many people marching in the streets calling for the return of the Baathists to power... I am one of those who think the west should not have gone in there. But we cannot change history, we can only make the best of what we have and try to make the best future with it.

So if am ignorant according to KenC  then  some of you are blind and deaf

You are being blind and deaf to your own history Jazzy..

[55North]

You don't half talk a lot of bollocks, JC. (excuse my French!).  How dare you attribute all the ills of the world to the Americans.  Us Brits and Europeans are contributing a lot as well!
 
As you well know, most of the world is absolutely against the world's most highly developed economy / sovereign democracy, and are doing everything we can to bring her to her knees.  That is why most Russian money is in places like the British Virgin Islands, and the (formally British) Cyprus.  Furthermore, most of the Kremlin seem to send their children to school in England.  It's all a grand plan.  We tricked them into doing that, as we are evil personified!  How stupid they must seem to you.
 
If one complies to the letter of visa application regulations as published on any government website, you will get a visa.  If you try to take a short cut or miss out something or lie, and are found out, you will suffer on subsequent applications because you've been naughty.  Like when visiting Russia!
 
Belarus is run be a former collective farm manager like a.. erm collective farm.  He is an idiot.  It is only he, and his ministers who can't get visas, because we think they're all rather nasty people.  But if you want to leave for love and marriage, no problem!

[55North]

Especially for Jazzy, a movie for Sunday evening......
 
http://russophobe.blogspot.com/2008/03/real-dimitri-medvedev-part-i-another.html
 
For the rest of you, some Russia jokes.
http://russophobe.blogspot.com/2008/03/sunday-satire-essel-on-russian-joke.html
 
By that, I mean jokes from Russians.  I don't mean that Russia's a joke.  It's no laughing matter for many that live there.

[KenC]

Guys, Guys Guys,
Somethings will never change.
Jazzy will always hate America and Americans as she always has.

Jazzy will take every opportunity to bash America and Americans (even if it is not the topic of the thread)

Jazzy is RWD's resident expert on everything American (Forget the fact that she has never been there and that her entire base of knowledge comes from Russian media)

Jazzy will argue her illogical positions until the cows come home.  Never try to confuse her with logic or the facts.

Jazzy believes that she gets special rights as a woman to be argumentative and nasty toward whole countries and cultures.  (She calls it being "emotional.")

Should anyone point out the faulty logic of her invalid opinions, they most certainly be considered a bully.

Debating any topic with Jazzy, is a no win situation, akin to debating with a 5 year old.  It is best to tap the little one atop her head and tell her "Yes, little girl, you are right now, you have always been right and probably will always be right!"
KenC

[Jazzyclassy]

Guys, Guys Guys,
Somethings will never change.
Jazzy will always hate America and Americans as she always has.

Jazzy will take every opportunity to bash America and Americans (even if it is not the topic of the thread)

Jazzy is RWD's resident expert on everything American (Forget the fact that she has never been there and that her entire base of knowledge comes from Russian media)

Jazzy will argue her illogical positions until the cows come home.  Never try to confuse her with logic or the facts.

Jazzy believes that she gets special rights as a woman to be argumentative and nasty toward whole countries and cultures.  (She calls it being "emotional.")

Should anyone point out the faulty logic of her invalid opinions, they most certainly be considered a bully.

Debating any topic with Jazzy, is a no win situation, akin to debating with a 5 year old.  It is best to tap the little one atop her head and tell her "Yes, little girl, you are right now, you have always been right and probably will always be right!"
KenC

And you old dedushka should not be such a provocator and it is not me but you who is bully maker and who bullies everybody , people are fed up with your bragging and your horrible attitude not only to men also to young women here.
My opinion about american policy and politics it is my own point of view and you never miss a chance to open up your dirty mouth(together with your wife , whos e-mail I got if anything ) insulting my personality, being  so old and so '"wise" how sweet of you.

[KenC]

And you old dedushka should not be such a provocator and it is not me but you who is bully maker and who bullies everybody , people are fed up with your bragging and your horrible attitude not only to men also to young women here.
My opinion about american policy and politics it is my own point of view and you never miss a chance to open up your dirty mouth(together with your wife , whos e-mail I got if anything ) insulting my personality, being  so old and so '"wise" how sweet of you.

See guys?  How predictable can she be?
KenC

[deccie]

My opinion about american policy and politics it is my own point of view

Jazzy, people are entitled to an opinion, even a stupid one. For example, someone can hold an opinion that gravity doesn't exist. They are prefectly entitled to that opinion. That said, should they fall off a cliff any time soon I suspect that gravity will have it's way with them, irregardless of their opinion on the matter.

[Ronnie]

If American patriot Thomas Paine were alive today and a member of this board, he might pen a few words on this thread:

As to western intervention...

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. "


As to our petulant Muskovite....

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

[Jazzyclassy]

    As to our petulant Muskovite....

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
          

Do you have anything against Muscovites? I will be like an american person and will call your phrase discrimination towards Muscovites!

as about  medicine to dead people the same is directed to you

every country will follow the policy which will be comfortable for its people, but there are countries which home policies involve interferens into the policies of other countries and if you can not see this, that is your problem, but no need to call a person ignorant if he/she can spot it on

[KenC]

Do you have anything against Muscovites? I will be like an american person and will call your phrase discrimination towards Muscovites!

as about  medicine to dead people the same is directed to you

every country will follow the policy which will be comfortable for its people, but there are countries which home policies involve interferens into the policies of other countries and if you can not see this, that is your problem, but no need to call a person ignorant if he/she can spot it on

Jazzy,
Huh? :noidea:
You now have passed from being illogical to unintelligible.
 :selfharm:

Yes, Jazzy, you are right now, you have always been right and probably will always be right.  Thank you for sharing your wisdom here.
 
Ken

[Ronnie]

Do you have anything against Muscovites? I will be like an american person and will call your phrase discrimination towards Muscovites!

as about  medicine to dead people the same is directed to you

every country will follow the policy which will be comfortable for its people, but there are countries which home policies involve interferens into the policies of other countries....

One very heroic Muskovite wrote:

"We are hurtling back into a Soviet abyss, into an information vacuum that spells death from our own ignorance. All we have left is the internet, where information is still freely available. For the rest, if you want to go on working as a journalist, it's total servility to Putin. Otherwise, it can be death, the bullet, poison, or trial - whatever our special services, Putin's guard dogs, see fit."

--- Anna Stepanova Politkovskaya, Journalist, author of "Putin's Russia".  Assassinated by an FSB agent in the elevator of her Moscow home on October 7, 2006 (Putin's 54th birthday).

[deccie]

every country will follow the policy which will be comfortable for its people, but there are countries which home policies involve interferens into the policies of other countries and if you can not see this, that is your problem, but no need to call a person ignorant if he/she can spot it on

And one of those countries is your own!

[Jazzyclassy]

One very heroic Muskovite wrote:

"We are hurtling back into a Soviet abyss, into an information vacuum that spells death from our own ignorance. All we have left is the internet, where information is still freely available. For the rest, if you want to go on working as a journalist, it's total servility to Putin. Otherwise, it can be death, the bullet, poison, or trial - whatever our special services, Putin's guard dogs, see fit."

--- Anna Stepanova Politkovskaya, Journalist, author of "Putin's Russia".  Assassinated by an FSB agent in the elevator of her Moscow home on October 7, 2006 (Putin's 54th birthday).

yes Sure but everybody knows that Anna politkovskaya was working for america who paid her and she was always writing pro american articles , she was never a patriot of her country

I agree with the bit that Russia should not return to old regime but am against being the slaves of America