One Day Wonder

[itstime]

Well, talk about your one week wonders, I think I'm in the midst of a one day wonder. Or maybe a one call wonder.

So here's the story. I'm getting a bit jaded about the whole Russian bride thing, but about 10 days ago, I get up the gumption to write a few more intro letters. Not a whole lot of detail, just 4 short paragraphs to highlight a bit about me and to point them at my profile on my own webpage where there is a bunch of photos and more info. So, they don't have to read too much, and if there is a little bit of a hook, the low risk option is to check the web profile which, hopefully digs the hook a bit deeper.

This time, I got one reply from a Russian girl, 33 yo (I'm 49) living in a town in central Ukraine. Not much in the reply, just an indication of interest, her email address, and phone number. So, the next day I phone her (I speak Russian well enough to handle a phone conversation after last year's failed romance in Russia) and we had a nice chat. But she is an Orthodoc believer with lots of family members who were shot in the gulag for not renouncing their beliefs. I sent her an SMS too so she had my mobile number (I'm working in the UK right now),

The next morning I wake up and she has sent me an SMS at 5 am her time. She sends me several throughout the day and asks if I will phone again. We have our second hour-long conversation that evening and I can tell she is falling head over heels in love with me. After another day I agree to go see her in Ukraine in mid August. And after another couple of days of many SMSes, a few emails, sharing photos, two online chats, and an hour a day on the phone, I return the favor, i.e. I fall in love with her.

She says that men fall in love with the eyes, and women fall in love with the ears. After over ten years with no sex, some of which was spent in a nunnery, she prayed to God for a husband (divorced the 1st at 19 yo), and as soon as she heard my voice, she was certain that I had been sent by God. I have to say I'm not quite that religious, but I certainly have felt the hand of a higher power influencing my life. She is cute too, and she wants to have another child as do I.

In the phone calls, she alludes to the fact that I won't have time to sleep on our first night together in Kiev. Somehow I suspect that I will be consumed by this sex-mad former nun when I get there.  Every day she says that she wishes she could be with me RIGHT NOW. I half wish I had just hopped a plane to Kiev the next day after phoning her. I'm sure she would have jumped straight into bed with me but somehow I think that we have a better chance at success if we wait the couple of weeks. I remember reading more than one trip report on various sites where guys discovered that they made the mistake of NOT having sex with the woman when she was ready for it. Sometimes that killed their chances, other times they managed to recover from it. I don't plan to make any mistakes on this trip.

On the other hand, somehow this all seems like a one in a million experience. I guess I just got lucky. Of course, we need to wait a couple weeks to be sure about all this, but it sure is a wild ride right now.

I'm sure some of you lot will have a field day with this one...

 

[Michelangelo]

Well, it could be...

I hope so...good luck!

But I remember the old farmer's advice....

Don't count your chickens until they hatch."

[Patrick]

A field day ! No, go have a good holiday and have a good life. As you said you are no stranger to FSU ladies.. Go for it.  She sounds like a blessing...

[PeeWee]

Just go. Let it be. See what happens. It may be very good. I like the "Men love with their eyes and women with their ears."  It is very true. 

PeeWee

[andrewfi]

No wonder Russian scammers like Americans so much. I only hope the replies above are made with tongue firmly affixed to cheek.

[facetrock]

To all the guys who responded to this thread other than AndreWfi  " Your all out of your F__ked up minds". That has got to be the most lame advice I ever heard.

[Elen]

 After over ten years with no sex, some of which was spent in a nunnery, she prayed to God for a husband (divorced the 1st at 19 yo), and as soon as she heard my voice, she was certain that I had been sent by God

I love it

But she is an Orthodoc believer with lots of family members who were shot in the gulag for not renouncing their beliefs

That's one is classic too:D:D:D

[BC]

oodles of noodles

[Bruno]

Well, if you believe that miracle exist, it is maybe one... but be carefull...

Maybe she go annouce you that the spirit have visit her and that she is pregnant... are you named Joseph

And about be comsumed the first night... beware, remember how have finish Jesus Christus :?... with aids running in FSU and if she lie and have daily new partner, like a nympho, be ready to receive in gift some illness...

And are you sure that what you feel for these woman is called love... it is maybe nothing more that lust... a erection is not a sign of love...

I am actual in communication with a woman ( one month ), our communication is very intensive, we feel friendship for each other, we have already speak about sex ( what we like or don't  like )... and we already wish have mutual sexual encounter... but we have agree for not speak about love before we know each other very good, before a real meeting, before have life some little time together...

Sex is not love but love can lead to sex like reward... if you think that have sex is the prove of love, so, hooker are in love 20 time day... love is something more complex who need time to birth...

Now, for Andrewfin and facetrok, yes, maybe she is a scammer, maybe she is a nympho, maybe she is blinded by religion but maybe she is honest... only time know the reply... itstime, don't hurry, calm down and think to other thing that sex with her... this can change your objective analyse of the situation... communicate with her, analyse his reply, send a lot of question about everything... try to know his character and mind before know her body...

I have make almost the same mistake that you are ready to make... i have meet very fast my first wife, we was in bed after the two first hour of meeting, she was very hot... but she was never in love... she have marry me for quit Russia... Same after divorce, we have again be to bed together... she was not loving me, she was loving have sex... i was obligate to run away from my city... it was the only way to start a new life and try forget... all this was 6 year of my life... time losing because of sex who make man blind... try to know her before the meeting because i fear that you will be blinded with a fast meeting and go make a lot of mistake... give you 2-3 month for know her very good...

Scammer can lie but they don't keep strong communication a long time... when you begin speak about detail, they begin make mistake... try first to build some friendship, it is a good basic for the real love...

Yes, all is possible but beware...

[andrewfi]

Bruno ~ I make no comment as to what she is. I make comment about the thinking that produced the series of posts, including the OP, above mine.

The words written by the posters shows just why fleecing sheeple in the US is so easy and so lucrative. Needy people egging each other on to greater heights of idiocy.

[Bruno]

Bruno ~ I make no comment as to what she is. I make comment about the thinking that produced the series of posts, including the OP, above mine.

The words written by the posters shows just why fleecing sheeple in the US is so easy and so lucrative. Needy people egging each other on to greater heights of idiocy.

Yep, i understand... it is true that the "Men love with their eyes and women with their ears" is something crazy... of course, man and woman love differently... but my Larisa have write me that she will know if she love me when she will see my regard... it mean, when we will meet... We have already friendship, we have already some feeling, we wish sex together... but be in love without a meeting is not possible...

In some way, be in love of a voice is crazy like be in love of a photo or be in love from a letter...

But if American will spend money for see if a woman is hot enough, it  is own right... but for this, no need to phone or write... be a sex tourist in Russia and stay away from normal woman...

From my personal experience, American are more easy to scam... and several woman think that they are simple minded man... like child... it can be true for some... certainly when they think that RW are the best type of woman in the world... and seriously, the majority of American are enough old and searching young babe... a young body from 20 year can easily control a man from 50 yo, specialy when the man have already test sex with the woman... let's go, a new sugar daddy...

[Bruce]

"Even a broken clock is right twice a day."  Yeah, it could happen, but the chances are slim to none.

[ConnerVT]

"Even a broken clock is right twice a day." 

I've always liked "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then."  :cool:

[jb]

P.T. Barnum was right.

[itstime]

Well this squirrel isn't blind but he sure is gonna get out to Kiev and find out if that nut is buried where she says it is.

I like Bruno's advice the best: "An erection is not a sign of love". That oughta be a classic!

I'll be back home by the end of August and I'll be sure to report back here.

 

[andrewfi]

I foresee another 'engagement'.

[PeeWee]

With regard to sex it seems to me that RW work it the same way that AW do. Each is different. With one RW we had sex with 5 hours of meeting for the first time. With another it was on the 4th meeting-not even any kissing during the 1st meeting. I'd expect the same with an AW. It depends on the woman. What is the old physics equasion? The angle of the dangle is equal to the heat of the meat. Or something  like that.

 

PeeWee

[anono]

i'll never cease to be amazed at how gullable and ignorant some people seem to be.

i ought to be used to it by now, living in the middle of the usa.

[Albert]

I agree with Bruno that both parties should strive to avoid declaring love for several months . . .  after an actual meeting.

And this idea that the potential match will be better if you wait several weeks or days to have first sex is nonsense.  Sex is just a simple biological and psychological need.  It shouldn't be placed on such a pedestal.  Would you think of trying to avoid eating or drinking any water for X number of days just to prove something or hope for a better future with a woman?

It is also silly the idea that some guys have about if the woman has sex with you on first date that she probably has sex on first date with any guy.  So what?  The really clever gal will have sex on first date with everyone but you . . . . and then hold you off for several meetings so that you will think she is chaste or whatever.  It is a completely stupid criteria.

But yes, of course, be as careful as possible.  Buy condoms in the 36-40 packet quantities available in USA before you leave and use them always, even when the women ask you not to.

The best way to avoid falling head over heals for any woman, and to avoid falling for scams is to diversify.  Never concentrate on just one woman for a trip.  When you diversify you quickly understand that any given woman is not so great because you can compare and see that many others are good also and that they all have pluses and minuses.  You are also much less likely to fall for any scams because you will not be so focused on one gal so as to keep ignoring red flags, etc.

I have corresponded with thousands of FSU women and have had first meetings with over 155 of them.  I have yet to even come close to being scammed.  Why . . . .  because I never focus on one exclusively and when even a hint of fishiness shows up I simply delete that gal and go on.

[Bruno]

The best way to avoid falling head over heals for any woman, and to avoid falling for scams is to diversify.  Never concentrate on just one woman for a trip.  When you diversify you quickly understand that any given woman is not so great because you can compare and see that many others are good also and that they all have pluses and minuses.  You are also much less likely to fall for any scams because you will not be so focused on one gal so as to keep ignoring red flags, etc.

I have corresponded with thousands of FSU women and have had first meetings with over 155 of them.  I have yet to even come close to being scammed.  Why . . . .  because I never focus on one exclusively and when even a hint of fishiness shows up I simply delete that gal and go on.

For the first part, i agree... for the rest... the same recept is not good for everybody... i write several, select one with time... i visit one but i have always reserve in any case ( for this, i use my own site :P )... but don't make the mistake that i have make during my last trip in May... same if it is the second meeting, have always the contact information of some lady's around, you never know what can happen...

Meet more allow a bigger choice but low time for know each lady... meet one, allow you more time for know these lady but in case of problem, very low time for know the other one... no one meethod is perfect...

Maybe make like anomo is not really bad, stay a very long time ( several month ) in a country... this give you the time needed to know deeply several woman... unfortunaly, not everybody can stay several month in Ukraine of Russia... Good for very rich people who don't need work or retired people...

 

[corp]

Wow an x-Nun in heat routine, that is good.

Hasn't had it for ten years either. Love all those layers she adds to it. Thats just the way I like to bull sh_t too.... Add those details and then back off the story a little so it doesn't sound to good.

All I can say is, if there is any truth to the story, they ain't makin Nuns like they use to.

[PeeWee]

Wow an x-Nun in heat routine, that is good.

Hasn't had it for ten years either. Love all those layers she adds to it. Thats just the way I like to bull sh_t too.... Add those details and then back off the story a little so it doesn't sound to good.

All I can say is, if there is any truth to the story, they ain't makin Nuns like they use to.

She claims to be a "born again' virgin. Nothing wrong with it. Even non nuns can string together a 10 year abstension program. It seems to me that this fellow should explore the possibilitys and take the time to know her better. Culminating in a trip to whereever he needs to go. Eyes wide open all the way. But it's not for us to prejudge anything about it on his behalf. That is for him and him alone to do. I'm am all for the guy to take the adventure and find out for himself.

 

PeeWee

[anono]

And this idea that the potential match will be better if you wait several weeks or days to have first sex is nonsense.  Sex is just a simple biological and psychological need.  It shouldn't be placed on such a pedestal.  Would you think of trying to avoid eating or drinking any water for X number of days just to prove something or hope for a better future with a woman?

It is also silly the idea that some guys have about if the woman has sex with you on first date that she probably has sex on first date with any guy.  So what?  The really clever gal will have sex on first date with everyone but you . . . . and then hold you off for several meetings so that you will think she is chaste or whatever.  It is a completely stupid criteria.

albert, this is priceless and absolutely true. i  have even opined that many women act different towards men supposedly looking for a wife than they would other men.

i used to meet women in the usa online and i would have the "when to have sex" discussion with hundreds of women. most of them lie about their sex lives and pretend they have "never have and never will" have sex on a first date only to admit to it later.

men share some of the blame for this is our two faced politically correct society. some will bring it up later with a woman if they sleep together on a first date. not only is it a double standard but it also reflects a basic ignorance. maybe the woman had sex with you on a first date because she was that attracted to you in the first place and may be very selective and picky like most people and simply decided you were the one.

it is a completely stupid criteria.

 

[Rvrwind]

Wow an x-Nun in heat routine, that is good.

Hasn't had it for ten years either. Love all those layers she adds to it. Thats just the way I like to bull sh_t too.... Add those details and then back off the story a little so it doesn't sound to good.

All I can say is, if there is any truth to the story, they ain't makin Nuns like they use to.

I take it you guys are not familiar with the rules of Nunnary that stipulate that when out & about all Nun's must travel in no less than pairs.

This is to be sure that one Nun can make sure that the other Nun ain't gettin' Nun!

Hopefully I ain't offended anybodies sensibilities but I just couldn't resist!:)

RVR

Canadian Cowboy

[itstime]

Well, I'm back home and... WOW!

Yes, we did hit the sack within 4 to 5 hours of meeting at the airport. Yes, it was mind-blowing. I've never been with a multi-orgasmic woman before. Over ten years of no sex, not even masturbation may have something to do with it. She had 10 orgasms in a 3 hour session on Friday evening. Three or four was more usual for one session. I may not have had anywhere near that many but in 30 years of having sex I now realize that I was missing a lot.

She spent roughly 10 years in and out of "women's monasteries" studying various religious subjects, praying, etc. Maybe 5 years of time all added up. She never got to the point where she took permanent vows to be a life-long nun. If you think back to the middle ages, when it was common for the daughters of noble families to go live in a nunnery for several years upon reaching puberty you will probably understand better what "nun" means in a Russian Orthodox context. She says that in her region of south central Ukraine, roughly 50% of girls spend some time living, praying, learning in a monastery.

And this is not southern baptist religion either. For instance, many men go live in monasteries as well. Some of them decide to become monks and live there permanently. Of these monks, some become bishops, and other higher church officials. Some of the men in the monasteries decide that they want to be priests. This means that they MUST get married. And they generally marry a nun.

Make no mistake, I wasn't going there just for fun. I want to get married and stick with one woman, have another kid or two (2nd family) and be in love for the rest of my days. So does she. Her first marriage started at age 17 (4 months before her birthday) and ended just after she turned 19. She only lived with the husband about 3 months on and off because she couldn't stand him bringing mistresses home, ordering her to make coffee for them, and having sex in front of her. Russian/Ukrainian apartments are small and intimate places in case you've never been in one. Now you know one reason a lot of women are looking for foreign husbands.

So, she fell in love with me practically after the first phone call, and I must admit that I had a tender spot in my heart for her as well about the same time. Rather like a "love at first sight" event although in our case it was over the Internet and telephone. Even though I speak pretty broken and mangled Russian, it has all worked OK. After the 2nd day with her in Ukraine, I gave her a piece of gold jewelry I had brought with me (no, not a diamond engagement ring) and asked her to marry me. She said "YES!" and dragged me back to the bed...

Two days later I met her folks. Another day after that we went back to her folks for supper and I asked if they would be against us marrying. They gave their approval and by some miracle, her dad found an already chilled bottle of champagne in the fridge. Her family does not drink, which means that a glass or two of wine with special meals is OK, but no more than that. I sure am glad that I put the effort into learning some Russian although I have to thank a certain Russian woman for motivating me to do that, even if that romantic fling did end in tears.

We had tea over at her English teacher's house (65 year old woman retired from teaching in school) and this woman showed me an album of several former students who married foreign men. She said that all but one were 15-16 years younger than there husbands and that was best because it makes a stronger relationship. I certainly do agree that two mature personalities have a better chance at a successful marriage than when one or both is immature. However, age is no guarantee of maturity.

I certainly wouldn't recommend this kind of whirlwind romance for everybody. It works for us because we both have strong religious beliefs. We are both ready to commit to each other and to ask for God's help when we need it, in other words, we are not arrogant people who want to do everything our own way. And we don't have a lot of hangups either as we discovered after an evening when we both suffered from diarrhea from eating too much ripe fruit on empty stomachs earlier in the day. Imagine a woman dressed to the nines, who has no hangups about running behind an apartment building and squatting behind a bush in the shadows when nature calls. And who has no hangups about washing her man's soiled underwear. In fact she washed some article of clothing every day in the tub in the apartment I had rented.

Thing is, I don't believe this woman is all that unusual. Lot's of FSU women abstain from sex for long periods because they have certain standards in men. Lot's of them have devout religious beliefs, especially in Ukraine. Lot's of them spend time in monasteries. Lot's of them are free of hangups, i.e. there were many well dressed women in tight-fitting skimpy miniskirts whose bra and thongs could be clearly seen through the thin clothing, wearing high heels and head scarfs, making the sign of the cross and bowing in devotion before icons. I met the young wife of a priest (maybe 20-22 years old) carrying her 3 month old child. My fiancee addressed her as Mother because the wife of a priest is like the mother of the flock. In the Orthodox church, sex is not bad, it is part of the "mystery" between a husband and wife, a gift to them from God.

On this and other russian women discussion boards I read an awful lot of commentary from men who see everything with their minds fogged by their own, mostly American, culture. And who fail to realise that these women are not Americans. They are also not stereotypes either. There is a lot of variety in their character, their desires, their abilities, but they DID grow up in a culture very different from western culture. Not just the Orthodox church, but the layer of pre-Christian "asian" folk culture, the strong influence of Communist social values. For the most part, those communist social values are good things and consistent with Orthodox religion. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the "communism" that McCarthy fought against or the inter-government wrangling between the west and the Soviet bloc. Please guys, get your shades off. Take that beam out of your own eye and try to see clearly what is out there.

And prepare to be on your very best behavior for the rest of your life. I can't even count the number of times I put out my hand to help my fiancee off or on a bus, or marshrutka, or up or down some steps, or across one of the many potholes in the road or the sidewalks, or around thistles when we took a walk across some wild steppe land. Everywhere we went, I kept an eye on the path and made sure that she was OK and guided her left or right. I asked if she was hungry or thirsty or if she needed a toilet. I gave her numerous massages, held her hand for hours and hours, even just sitting on a bus. I called her by sweet names, the Russian equivalent of sweetheart, darling, etc. In return she waited on me hand and foot, prepared all my food, took off my socks, massaged my feet and even washed me twice in the tub. In Russian culture, women learn how to show their affection towards a man, and if you don't see it, then you are chasing the wrong woman. And if you do see it, then you had darn well better do something about it because I heard many stories of girls in her town who had foreign men visit, but the guys never even tried to kiss them or have sex.

In the Orthodox religion, marriage starts when two people freely choose to marry. In other words, there is really no such thing as sex before marriage because if the man makes the move, and she accepts, it is a done deal. The church ceremony is just blessing the couple before God and the people.

Well, this may well be the last you hear from me because I now have some work ahead of me dealing with paperwork, not to mention daily phone calls and another visit or two. I may pop up once more if I find that there is something I forgot to mention. I'm writing this, partly to encourage men to open their minds, and partly to balance out some of the nonsense about "red flags", "rules of stone" and other stuff I have seen on these boards. By the way, she did, in a way, ask for money in about the 4th or 5th phonecall when she asked me to buy a cellphone for her son. I told her that we would look at phones in Ukraine because they are readily available. When I saw her old cell that displayed only one line of text message at a time I said I would buy her a new cell and she can give the old one to her son. Now she can see 3 lines of text message at a time which is good because we exchange half a dozen SMS per day.

It's time for me to be moving on to the rest of my life.