Black guy heading to Ukraine

[Bob Smith]

 Why the Whoa.?

Makkin

I have friends across the political spectrum.  Some that work for left wing activist groups and some that are members of the RNC.  I've just never heard it put that way... interesting response to a rhetorical question.

I'm busy at the moment.  So I don't have time to reply to some of the very interesting posts right now.  I'll post later.

[TW1970]

Gtex,

AnastassiaAsh's exact comment was, "to add race differences to the cultural is a doom."  By which I'm deducing she meant such a relationship is doomed.  That's a pretty concrete absolute statement.  That's not saying give it a whirl sometimes it works.  That's saying those types of relationships are DOOMED.  

I will add that AnastassiaAsh's comment did seem harsh to me too but that is her opinion. Some folks just do not embrace interracial relationships and I agree with your earlier comment Bob that I might have a smaller dating pool to choose from in Ukraine/Russia. I have already experienced this from communicating via email with some women over there. At least I know fairly quickly where I stand with women from the FSU if skin color is going to be an issue and I appreciate the fact that they are straightforward in their responses to me. But it is not all doom and gloom.

Just to note, I've been talking with a women from Russia who was an exchange student here in the USA for 8 months and she seems to be level headed, quite intelligent and open-minded (she also told me that she hates racists). Like Bill Murray said in Caddyshack, "So I got that goin' for me, which is nice." 

[TW1970]

Now our poster in this thread is black AND wants to find a woman in Ukraine, it is not like finding a white woman in the US (interracial), but double that.

Technically speaking as I pointed out in my first post, I am Biracial (Black and White background). Most folks refer to anyone with dark skin as Black so that's why I called this thread Black guy heading to Ukraine. It would be as if you asked someone here in the USA to differentiate between a Russian and Ukrainian...

I think that everybody is doomed to fail if they do not know what they are doing.
I am not pointing any fingers, but his own black folks will! and actually hers white ones too! 99% out of 100%. How do I know? Because I am Russian and am telling you the average opinion of Russian/Ukrainian women...It is up to every man to decide if he wants to go against this kind of odds..

I admit it is a gamble. I do play the lottery once in awhile too which probably not the best use of my $. However, there is that chance I might get lucky since it only takes one ticket to win...

 

[AnastassiaAsh]

TW1970, it's interesting at least that in your avatar you are using a picture of a white guy from Matrix. 

Also, I hope you understand that I would be only happy to see you succeed and show us once again that exceptions happen.  And by succeed I mean several years into the marriage....I was just trying to depict how hard it would be for a black man to do this, hundred times harder than for any white American man...

[LiveFromUkraine]

I was just trying to depict how hard it would be for a black man to do this, hundred times harder than for any white American man...

Really?  Is this based on your experience of being a black man married to a Russian woman?



Thomas

[Bob Smith]

TW1970,

I agree.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  We live in a democracy with First Amendment rights and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

It’s just from my very limited experience I thought such an absolute statement was inaccurate and I didn’t want other people to read it without there being at least one rebuttal.

Here’s my opinion.  From my experience getting on the internet and meeting a Russian/Ukrainian woman and importing her for the sole purpose of marriage is way outside the mores of American society.  If it was normal there wouldn’t be a commonly used derogatory term for it… “mail order bride.”  I can get on an open mike in front of a TV camera and say “mail order bride” and get elected to high public office… uttering “macaca,” well… the results may vary.  That is why I asked AnastassiaAsh where in America she lived.  I was not asking for an ethnic/religious civics lesson.  I was just pointing out that the product of a biracial union can be president of the United States while so called “mail order brides” are on average the punch line to a joke.  And yet here she is living in a perfectly happy marriage in spite of the common wisdom that says that type of thing shouldn’t happen/work.  Does anyone see the irony of her situation and her absolute utterances about interracial relationships with FSU women?

I mean maybe my white/black/Jewish/Christian friends in multiple states in the North and the South are just weird and everyone else in the country thinks “mail order brides” are perfectly acceptable… I doubt it.

Everyone is talking about how Russian people are so refreshing because they are open and honest and unencumbered by the restraints of political correctness… well after AnastassiaAsh’s explanation about the acceptability of her relationship to broader American society I’m less than impressed.

Here’s what would have been open and honest…

Lady at coffee shop:  How did you and your husband meet?

AnastassiaAsh:  Well my husband decided to eschew dating American woman for searching the Internet for Russian/Ukrainian women and when he finally found me and we fell in love he imported me for the sole purpose of marriage.

Lady at coffee shop:  Wow that’s so romantic.  I hope my son grows up and does something like that.

Probability of the open and honest conversation actually happening… 2% (with an error of +/- 2%).  Not saying it would never happen (that’s too absolute ), but just like with their American counterparts I don’t think with Russian women there is an over abundance of straight talk when there is the possibility of unpleasant consequences.  People are people.

The limp anecdotal evidence proffered by AnastassiaAsh to illustrate the general acceptability of “mail order brides” in American society was so unconvincing I was again compelled to rebut.  Am I crazy or is anyone else seeing this?  The only reason I bring it up is because it illustrates some of this lady’s judgment.  She lives in America and if she somehow thinks this is regarded as normal and desirous behavior I have to really wonder.  Do I think what her and her husband have done is bad or a joke?  No.  But I can at least recognize that she can’t just blurt out the honest truth about how they met and courted to an absolute stranger without first slowly and clandestinely preparing them for the truth.   That clearly indicates that most Americans have a problem with it.

Lot’s of racist people in FSU… doesn’t mean that all interracial relationships are DOOMED before they even begin.

Here’s a write up about the perfectly acceptable practice of importing FSU women to the United States for the sole purpose of marriage… http://harpers.org/archive/2006/06/0081084.  It’s from Harper’s… not exactly what you would call an obscure publication.  Again this is why I asked where in America this lady lives... maybe they don't get Harper's there.

I apologize for the sarcasm, but so much of this flies in the face of conventional wisdom.

[Bob Smith]

I think that everybody is doomed to fail if they do not know what they are doing.
I am not pointing any fingers, but his own black folks will!

AnastassiaAsh,

TW1970 is the product of an interracial relationship... and you are explaining to him what American black folks will tell him about an interracial relationship.  Half his family is black... Half his family is white.  He grew up in an interracial household.  And now you are going to tell him that he doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to interracial dating and the American black community.  I can understand you giving advice about the girl's Russian/Ukrainian family and friends but the American black community?!  Are you beginning to see where there may be a credibility gap?

I think some of your defenders are a little extreme.  There is no reason I or anyone else who has never met you should accept everything you say as the gospel truth without any form of discussion.  And statements like the one above that make no sense whatsoever cast some doubt on your comments on topics where you conceivably are an expert.  There is no doubt that you've logged more hours around FSU women than most of us on this board... the question is one of judgment.

[Makkin]

Hi,


  It's like that commercial...J.G. Wentworth.."It's my money and I want it now"..lol They usually pay you 10-20% of the value you offer so it makes sense that advertisement works on some who don't want to take the time and patience to do things.

  Why would a person want to enter a lottery and spend money on a risk or gamble rather than looking at the statistics of the REAL probability. Poker plays against people so the odds are better and dice have true odds if you know how to play but Russian women and black men may similar to the big spinner that seldom pays off because the person spinning the wheel has most of the control.

  Why make things a gamble against the odds and if you want to bet on a longshot do so with the knowledge that your 95% out of a win from the start.

Makkin

[ScottinCrimea]

It’s just from my very limited experience...
 
Here’s my opinion.  From my experience getting on the internet and meeting a Russian/Ukrainian woman and importing her for the sole purpose of marriage is way outside the mores of American society. .

You admit that yu are offering an opinion based on limited experience.  The part of your post that I bolded shows that you have a very distorted vew of the whole subject.  It gives the impression of people dealing with a commodity, not another human.  For our benefit, and to help us know how much weight to give to your opinions, would you please outline for us just what this "limited experience" entails.  Have you ever traveled to the FSU?  If so, where and how much time spent there? How many AM/FSUW couples do you know on a personal basis?  You seem to be disagreeing with those here based on internet searches and nothing else.  I think we need a little more than that.

[Bob Smith]

The part of your post that I bolded shows that you have a very distorted vew of the whole subject.  It gives the impression of people dealing with a commodity, not another human.

"importing her for the sole purpose of marriage" -Bob Smith

import:  1.  To bring or carry in from an outside source, especially to bring in (goods or materials) from a foreign country for trade or sale.

concrete thinking:  (′käŋ′krēt ′thiŋk•iŋ)  (psychology) Mental processes characterized by literalness and the tendency to be bound to the most immediate and obvious sense impressions, as well as by a lack of generalization and abstraction.

I am a very analytical person.  I also love language and ideas.  Now there are a couple of ways to read what I wrote.  First of all I am on a Russian Women Discussion forum, because I have at least some interest in marrying a Russian woman.  So unless I am insane I wouldn't think of myself as wanting to import a commodity for the purpose of trade or sale.  Does that make sense?  Of course you have chosen in your mind to figure out the worst possible interpretation of the phrase and hold it up as the undeniable truth of what’s in my head.  I don’t necessarily see that as a problem on my end.

People import ideas and culture… are these goods or materials from a foreign country for trade or sale?

Here are the facts:
1)   We are proposing to meet women from a foreign land with a foreign culture and language (for the most part) on the internet
2)   These women are from countries with substantially lower per capita GDPs than our own
3)   These women have far fewer financial resources than ourselves
4)   We propose to only have a relative paucity of face to face meetings before applying for a fiancé visa
5)   We are going to personally finance and shepherd these ladies through the US Customs and Immigration system, because without our help and signature they couldn’t do it themselves.
6)   We are doing all this while eschewing marrying women in our own country with more similar salaries, languages, culture and equal protection under US law.

These are facts.  It’s amazing to me when some FSU woman says something that would be considered inappropriate in normal US society there are certain people on this forum that swoon and say how refreshing it is to see someone that is not encumbered by the political correctness that is ruining America.  Then when an American gets on here and states some facts in a blunt honest fashion people come out of the woodwork decrying his remarks as rude, biased and unacceptable.  Do you seriously not see the irony here?

By the way I said importing to distinguish between a woman that came over on her own and is in this country legally going to school or working that happens to meet and marry an American vs someone that was sought out by a stranger and then brought over to be that person’s wife.  When I post later about my experience you will see why the distinction is germane… in my mind.

I used the phrase “for the sole purpose of marriage” again to distinguish between women that have come over to the US for other purposes such as school or work and are only getting married as a secondary chance event.

The point of all this is if I’m not specific people will pick out random things and loopholes, and the conversation will go roaming all over the place.  I am addressing a single specific situation.  I am perfectly open to taking suggestions on how I should rephrase my statement so as not to offend FSU feminine sensibilities… even though they don’t like political correctness… allegedly… sometimes… maybe.

Again sorry for being verbose… I know people have jobs and families to attend to.

[ScottinCrimea]

Bob,
     If you want to view this strictly in a business sense I have no disagreements with most of what you say.  You are analyzing this whole issue based on business terms and it seems it is you who choose to be very literal in your definitions when it suits you.
     I'm still waiting to hear the experiential basis for your opinions.

[ScottinCrimea]

I'm just curious where I fit in your analysis.  Am I a "mail order husband" and an import?  You're painting a very broad brush with some of your "facts" and analysis but I am just one example of many where your facts don't fit.  I moved to Ukraine to marry and be with my wife so according to your terms, I was imported for the sole purpose of marriage.  Now if we look at your list of "facts", numbers 2 through 6 don't apply.  You will find many others for whom many of your facts also don't apply.  So the reality is that they are only "facts" in some cases, but not all.  That's where you're painting the broad brush.  By trying to be too specific you're setting conditions where some of your "facts" apply to all but all of them don't apply to any one individual situation.

You have tended to roam all over the place, so perhaps it would be good if you restated the "single specific situation" that you are addressing so we can all stay on the same page.

[AnastassiaAsh]

Hey, Bob Smith, were you sent by Tyra Banks here or what? What are you talking about? Importing? Are you out of your mind? Term MOB doesn't really exist in real life, and you will find out about that only after some experience which you don't have much as I can see. Why are you on this board? What is your reason to be here? To find out more about RW? Why? Do you also want to go there and find a wife? How are you going to import her later? Or maybe you are just planning not to go there at all but just import her? Where is your common sense or common wisdom?

Bob, I lived in Moscow Russia all of my life. I was in England once. When I came to the US I was in WA, ID, CA, TX, OK, NY, PA and other states. I traveled to Canada to several places and Mexico. I am not sure how this is connected to what we are discussing though. You think I am somewhere God knows where and grew up in a tiny village of Krosnovka…? What America do you live in? It is the 21st century, not 14th. Internet erased all the borders and at this point it doesn't matter if you married an AW or Russian or Chinese. Maybe you would start another futile thread about how AW are better than RW?

Why are you asking me about your black or Jewish friends? Jews will tell you the same thing that I am telling you now. No, they won't tell you openly, but look at how or who they marry…they marry only Jews, and now their nation is the smartest and strongest, helping each other all over the world. Most of black people, as I understand, very rarely marry white or other races. But nevertheless, I am saying that it is not us, white people, who are actually against this, but THEM, black, Jews and who ever else, are more careful about interracial relationships. Bob, I am telling you this because I am a Russian woman. LivefromUkraine, I am telling you this because I am a Russian woman. I am one of them, in some way I represent them, at least big city girls. And this board is dedicated to courting and marrying a FSU woman.

Does anybody see the irony in that no matter what opinions we have or may have, my marriage is in deed perfectly happy, the amount of men I helped in this process one can count in hundreds, lots of my advice is about the relationship actually and I helped men to succeed in their relationships or take a wiser approach on this road. Isn't this ironic, that somebody is just talking, talking, and talking (yes, I like freedom of speech too  ) and somebody is actually doing some WORK in this sphere and has some not only her own first hand experience, mind you twice, but tens of other people as an example? Am I crazy or is anyone else seeing this? 

Most Americans may have a problem with MOB because they just don't know the truth about this subject. I suspect most of them are AW who are just so angry that their AM abandoned them and seek abroad. They got what they deserve.

Bob, try to come to Pittsburg, PA and visit some black community there and ask them the same questions. We will see what kind of political correctness you will get there, that is if you get out of the alive.

Bob, I do not make anybody agree with me, not everybody does, you are right. But the fact remains – those who do agree and like my posts, start trusting me and come to me for help – to be successful in a relationship with R/U women. Those who do not seek my advice or help, and whose opinions differ from mine, still respect me and we just agree to disagree. Those who do not participate in writing on this board or do things on their own, may come to this success in about 2-5 years later, or because they didn't reach any success they still come to me later. Bob, I must be doing something right, I must be saying some wisdom, I must be somehow reasonable. There are people behind me, couples and relationships.

Well, I have just read through your new post and would like to add some things.

First of all - all of a sudden you are completely changing your view on MOB and say that the derogatory notion that it carries is not the only one. What other notion is there? What are you talking about? In your several posts before that you have been lashing me several times for being a MOB in its dirtiest meaning. Now, suddenly, you are saying that you are on this board wanting to find a RW!!! Bob, what kind of ridiculous twist of meanings are you throwing at me? I can see through this and this is not fair.

Second, now, again, all of a sudden, you do not want to import your RW and more over say that that person would be insane to take her for a commodity. Bob, go back, and read your posts to me one or two pages ago. Do you think I am a MOB and you will do it not in a MOB way?

Third, some facts about me personally:

1.   my husband proposed to me, a RW, who totally knew English and American culture, no misunderstandings whatsoever.
2.   My personal financial resources, although of course smaller than my husband's, were 5 times bigger than of an average Russian man at that time.
3.   Other two or three points are actually good questions to YOU: why are you doing this? Why are you going to finance your RW one day? Why would you want her to come? Why would you want HER to be your wife rather than other good looking AW with the same salaries, language and US laws?

And now you are ok with rephrasing your statement so as to not to offend FSU feminine sensibilities….I see, I suppose I don't fall into that category. Why did you decide to change? Can't stand up to your words to the end?

[Bob Smith]

     I'm still waiting to hear the experiential basis for your opinions.

I've never been to the FSU... The closest I've come is hanging out in Hungary for a few days.

All the FSU and eastern European women I've seen interacting with African American men were here in the United States.  The largest contingent was a group from the former Czechoslovakia... I know, not exactly former FSU.  They were young girls working and going to school over here and they had a few black boyfriends.  Everyone seemed happy.

Another black guy I know went out with a Belarusian.  I know, not FSU again, but now we are getting pretty close.  She was working in this country legally.  They met when their two companies were collaborating on a small project.  I honestly don' t know her whole story.  She was married to an older white guy and had a kid with him.  She divorced long before she met my black friend.  So I don't know if she was a "mail order bride" or whether she arrived by some other route.  At any rate she was in the country legally by the time my friend met her and they dated for quite some time.  She wanted to get married, but he didn't.  He broke up with her.  I think he broke up with her once and she refused to break up so he had to keep going out with her.  It was like something out of Seinfeld... I enjoyed it.  He eventually had a successful break up attempt although she still calls.  She was slim and cute... He said they had problems... and not because of skin color.  His family didn't give a rat's rear end about her skin color.  I never called Belarus to poll her family, but I can't image the reception would have been warm.  I actually broke out into a Cheshire Cat grin when he mentioned her plan about a trip to Belarus.  I would have loved to see the expression on her face when she was in Minsk and realized her family was full of racist ph-cks. Unfortunately because of time constraints and my buddy's common sense that little sociological experiment never occurred and I was forced to rely on satellite TV for my entertainment needs.

The last example that I can think of was initiated by me.  I actually had to juggle talking to a group of Russian girls I met in a club, because I happened to be out with the black guy that broke up with the Belarusian.  He wanted nothing to do with FSU girls.  Anyway the night wore on and the two cute girls kinda warmed up and got chatty.  They eventually gave me their emails.  I finally convinced my friend to talk to one of them and they hit it off... go figure.  My friend and I were out of town for months so we never actually got to hook up with the girls after that night.  My girl emailed me and kept badgering me about why my friend didn't email her friend.  I finally got onto his @$$ about it and they are still sending emails to each other once or twice a week or chatting online.  I think she finished her university degree and is working at a job in the financial services industry in St Petersburg.  I guess my girl got tired of me being out of town all the time with promises of coming back soon, and I haven't heard from here since last summer.  Unbelievable.  The sorry b@$t@rd didn't even want to talk to the girls in the club and him and this girl are like BFF now.  When she comes up in conversation all he talks about is how great her body is and how educated and intelligent she is.

That's not much experience.  No one got married.  Actually I don't know any FSU women married or even dating white guys... other than the reports of this Belurasian marrying and then divorcing a white guy years ago.

The girls from Russia came over here and went to school and worked for a few months and then returned to Russia without incident.  My girl emailed me a picture of them from a black club in America.  They certainly had a penchant for black culture...

After meeting them I didn't think that they were necessarily indicative of all FSU women.  But they also didn't seem like low class outcast Russian sex tourists on the hunt for black ¢o¢k... pardon my French.  That's me being nonPC and honest.

Now I don't want some black guy reading this and lighting out for the territory expecting a full fledged festival in his honor upon disembarking in Moscow.  I hazard to guess you won't get a white glove, red carpet welcome, but at the same time if a FSU or former Warsaw Pact chick takes a shine to ya' don't think every relationship is DOOMED to fail.

Sorry for the suspense ScottinCrimea.  It was a long wait for a bit of an underwhelming story.

[TW1970]

TW1970, it's interesting at least that in your avatar you are using a picture of a white guy from Matrix. 

Also, I hope you understand that I would be only happy to see you succeed and show us once again that exceptions happen.  And by succeed I mean several years into the marriage....I was just trying to depict how hard it would be for a black man to do this, hundred times harder than for any white American man...

Very astute observation! Yes, that is the guy from the Matrix which replaced the previous photo which was of me. It's one of my favorite movies. Do you miss my old photo?

I hope your marriage succeeds too and is as long as my folks whom just celebrated their 47th anniversary.

[TW1970]

Hi,


  It's like that commercial...J.G. Wentworth.."It's my money and I want it now"..lol They usually pay you 10-20% of the value you offer so it makes sense that advertisement works on some who don't want to take the time and patience to do things.

  Why would a person want to enter a lottery and spend money on a risk or gamble rather than looking at the statistics of the REAL probability. Poker plays against people so the odds are better and dice have true odds if you know how to play but Russian women and black men may similar to the big spinner that seldom pays off because the person spinning the wheel has most of the control.

  Why make things a gamble against the odds and if you want to bet on a longshot do so with the knowledge that your 95% out of a win from the start.

Makkin

Quite simply Makkin because it is my choice to make and my life to live. As I mentioned, I am aware of the odds and the struggles that I might encounter but to me it is worth the risk.  To put it as Robert Frost once said,

"I shall be telling this with a sigh 
Somewhere ages and ages hence: 
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— 
I took the one less traveled by, 
And that has made all the difference. "

[TW1970]

Does anybody see the irony in that no matter what opinions we have or may have, the amount of men I helped in this process one can count in hundreds, lots of my advice is about the relationship actually and I helped men to succeed in their relationships or take a wiser approach on this road..

Curious how many "Black or Interracial" men you have assisted..

[Bob Smith]

AnastassiaAsh,

If you have time please reread my posts... I know, I know it'll take a lot of time.

First of all I want to state quite clearly for the record I am NOT attacking the legitimacy of a your marriage.  Really, the time I specifically mentioned your relationship was to say that although I would consider it unusual by American standards based upon the anecdotal evidence I acquired it seemed to be a happy marriage.  This is from someone contemplating getting into one of these marriages.

Secondly I explicitly stated that the term "mail order bride" was not my term and that I didn't use it to be derogatory.  If you don't think this term is in the American vernacular I don't know what to say.

Thirdly just because I don't personally at this time have anything against these types of marriages that doesn't mean I'm not going to ask some tough questions.

Look even if I do marry a woman from the FSU I'm not going to delude myself that the majority of the US is going to be on board with the idea.  Now if you think me stating something like this is some kind of attack on your marriage I don't know what to say.  I'm just reporting to you what I heard when I bounced this idea of of several people of different genders/ethnicities/religions/geographic locations.

This is a forum for the discussion of Russian Women.  I think it does curious parties a disservice to tell them meeting a FSU woman online is a mainstream idea that most Americans will be on board with.

I think you're taking my objective facts a little to personally.  The facts I listed were for men currently looking.  They were not titled facts about AnastassiaAsh's marriage.  I can't get on a message board and critique every single specific FSU/American relationship.  I don't know what goes on under your roof.  Sure you may have had fabulous income by Russian standards but I think most people reading this forum agree that the average Russian woman seeking an American husband makes substantially less then the average working American woman.  How is this an attack on you?  Its just a fact. Its a fact that shades the average American view of these types of marriages.

Holy smoke I say something that is common knowledge and the response I get is like I'm in Bizarro World.  For heaven's sake it was in an article in Haper's!  Once again I go through this exercise because it really calls into question judgment.

I'm open to marrying a FSU woman, but I'll pass on the Kool Aid.

[ScottinCrimea]

Bob, As someone who has no experience, who doesn't even know that Belarus is part of the FSU, and who is interested in perhaps finding a RW, perhaps you would be better served by this forum if you began by asking questions rather than offering uninformed opinions based on a few articles and internet searches.

[Misha]

My point being in my experience either a woman will date a person of a particular race or they won't.  They don't marry them and then wake up a year into the marriage and realize their husband is black and get a divorce.  The guy might have a smaller pool to pick from on the front end but if I were him I wouldn't turn down an interested Russian woman just because someone says his skin's melanin content will "doom" the relationship.

Sure race is going to be an issue on the front end, but if a woman has repeatedly shown interest in my experience it would be unusual for her to suddenly want out of the marriage later just because of skin color.

This is pretty much my take on it. The goal is not for a man to please each and every Russian or FSU woman on the planet, it is to find the right woman for you. Yes, you will encounter racism, but that does not mean that every Russian woman will be a racist. Yes, being African or African-American, may make it more difficult, but then again being fat also makes it difficult, being old makes it difficult, being ugly makes it difficult, not being Russian makes it difficult....

A good friend of mine is an African man who married women from Belarus. They have been married for years and have a beautiful child. The main problem they faced: the racism in her family. However, she is happy and loves her husband. He loves her. What more do either need?

[Bob Smith]

Bob, As someone who has no experience, who doesn't even know that Belarus is part of the FSU, and who is interested in perhaps finding a RW, perhaps you would be better served by this forum if you began by asking questions rather than offering uninformed opinions based on a few articles and internet searches.

ScottinCrimea,

I've come down pretty hard on a couple of people in my first few posts on this board.  I've also written a bunch of long posts that I'm not sure people really want to trudge through.  So that's two unpleasant things I felt like I had to do on this forum  At this point I have no intention of getting into a ticky tack posting war with you about various gotcha points.  I don't know if you are just joking around, but I think a couple of good posts by other people are getting lost in long back and forth diatribes between people that simply aren't going to agree.

If you truly want to discuss one of my posts I'll be around at least for awhile.  But if you want to ignore the entirety of my post and do this ticky tack stuff with one slightly off descriptor I can't say in all honesty I'll be going back and forth with you.  I don't mean to be rude but I think that's just going to put a lot of people off.

By the way if you want to PM me I would be more than willing to discuss this stuff in private so we don't muck up this forum and bloody each other in public.

[Makkin]

Hi,


  Yes hope springs and springs until maybe the educational curve is met to some degree yes?

  If I could change a world I would start in my own backyard and probably not get too much done. What I got done would be for the good of a few metres or so but at least I tried right? If you could change the world maybe you should start in a place like south side Chicago or Detroit and not worry about the people of Ukraine or Russia who at least decide under which politics and feelings they choose. Their feelings are the one's they have and trust and love and thats just fine and normal for me.

Makkin

Makkin

[LiveFromUkraine]

Bob, try to come to Pittsburg, PA and visit some black community there and ask them the same questions. We will see what kind of political correctness you will get there, that is if you get out of the alive.

How much time do you spend in the black community to form these observations?  I didn't realize you even had a black community in your "White Christian America."

Honestly, you seem to be an expert on everything.  I am thinking of changing my furniture around in a feng shui sort of way.  I am sure you can help as well.



Thomas

[KenC]

ScottinCrimea,

I've come down pretty hard on a couple of people in my first few posts on this board.  I've also written a bunch of long posts that I'm not sure people really want to trudge through.  So that's two unpleasant things I felt like I had to do on this forum  At this point I have no intention of getting into a ticky tack posting war with you about various gotcha points.  I don't know if you are just joking around, but I think a couple of good posts by other people are getting lost in long back and forth diatribes between people that simply aren't going to agree.

If you truly want to discuss one of my posts I'll be around at least for awhile.  But if you want to ignore the entirety of my post and do this ticky tack stuff with one slightly off descriptor I can't say in all honesty I'll be going back and forth with you.  I don't mean to be rude but I think that's just going to put a lot of people off.

By the way if you want to PM me I would be more than willing to discuss this stuff in private so we don't muck up this forum and bloody each other in public.

Bob,
Your lack of first hand experience is no minor "ticky tack" point. The fact that you had a couple of brushes with fsuw in the states does not qualify you as an expert on anything really.  Anastassia gave her point of view from the eyes of a RW (and she is well qualified to do so).  I also have to agree with Scott that you should be asking questions and not giving advice with your lack of knowledge and experience on the subject.

I am happy to see you posting here and hope you find whatever it is you seek here at RWD but you might want to tone the arrogance back just a bit.
KenC

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Bob: It's been quite a tickle to sit, reading your ponderings. Kudos for challenging the experienced, however, don't you see the hypocrisy of this statement......... 

Of course you have chosen in your mind to figure out the worst possible interpretation of the phrase and hold it up as the undeniable truth of what’s in my head.

Isn't that exactly what you've been doing with Mrs Ash's statement? I guess you might not see that.

Please spare us the condescending lesson about the lack of statistics available on this subject. Did it occur to you why boards like this exist? It is because this caper is a minority caper. You know, those of us who have been around this block for a while actually "Get That".

FWIW, knowing a few Russian Women personally, as I do, I understood Mrs Ash's comment to suggest that a guy might get a relationship started along the lines of this thread, but the chances of bringing it to a romantic conclusion are next to zip. It happens, but rarely. He is adding one more string to a very complex bow.

I suggest you make a trip or two to Russia and then consider Mrs Ash's words in the light of some real experience. I think she has been rather soft by Russian standards actually.    "Absolute" can be a lot more "Absolute" when the utterance comes from a Russian living on home soil and when all is said and done, that's what he'll be chasing.

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