Black guy heading to Ukraine

[Blues Fairy]

KenC, does one's absence of experience matter if one merely says "anything's possible"?  What kind of experience would be sufficient to refute this statement?

[LiveFromUkraine]

Here is the problem that I see.  Most of us have all heard from our wives or limited amount of friends.  We really don't know and we will really never know what the probability of the success between a black man and a rw.  Most of us are not black men which makes it impossible for us to know for a fact.  I am sure the OP understands he will find resistance from women there.  I am also sure this is nothing new.  Even in America there are racial problems that most white people will never know nor understand.  So why would this endeavor be any different.  Now I am all for telling our views regarding the OP's question.  The problem I have is the eventual doom and gloom crap that people are spewing.  These people are stating things that they have no clue about.  I see men jumping at what "certain" russian women state on this board as gospel.  "She is a Russian woman from Moscow so that must be true."  What bullspit!!  I see that some Russian women's advice is not as widely accepted as others as being genuine on this board.  I am also tired of hearing people are "cheerleading" or being "politically correct" when others state something different than what they think.


All Russian women are not the same just like all American women are not the same.  Oh there are cliques here catzenmouse.   No doubt about it.  I just couldn't care less one way or another.  This board isn't reality as well as some of the posters.




Thomas

[KenC]

KenC, does one's absence of experience matter if one merely says "anything's possible"?  What kind of experience would be sufficient to refute this statement?

Blues Fairy,
I understand your point here, OK?  But such a line is a "throw away" IMO.  It is meaningless double talk giving the recipient false hope.  Why would anyone offer an opinion in an area where they have no experience at all is mind boggling.  If, by chance, their opinion is correct, it is pure luck.  We have a saying here that goes "even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then."  I don't know aout you, but I seek advice from those who know, not those who guess.
KenC

[groovlstk]

I've seen my share of shockingly racist shenanigans in the FSU (e.g, African students walking the Black Sea beaches dressed in fake tribal outfits and scrounging rubles by posing for white tourists), but if TW and Bob Smith are willing to accept the risks and know upfront the difficulties they may encounter, I hope that people here will support them. I know I will.

While I see a lot of helpful advice in this thread I've also noticed that whenever a black man posts here about his interest in Russian women, some of the warning responses he gets show an aggressive edge that borders on hysteria. If your real rationale in urging Bob and TW to stay away from FSU women is concern for their well-being, then God bless you. If it's because you hate the idea of seeing a white woman with a black man, I'd say that your behavior is just as wrong as that which you warn the OP about should he visit the FSU, only worse: at least the Russian racists they encounter will be upfront about it and not try to hide it behind a false cloak of concern.

Just as an aside, around the time my wife arrived in the US, an RWD member was writing to me asking for logistical advice. I helped him as best I could, and when my wife arrived I naively and foolishly made the mistake of inviting him to our home. He seemed sane in his emails but in person he was a fruitloop. He explained that he was a white supremacist and his main reason for wanting to marry a RW was because he'd read that RW hate black men and would never have sex with one. Now this guy was 30ish, about 5-4, had no college education and lived  with his parents. He also had a (supposed) injury and was getting disability payments, so he wasn't even working, yet he had the audacity to believe he was better than others because of his skin color? I hate to say it this way, but I'd bet on black before betting on his chances   

[LiveFromUkraine]

TW, I will be around the Odessa area until the beginning of June.  If you decide to come and are around Odessa them PM me so we can meet.  I will buy the first couple rounds of beers.  If you need any help you can also PM me and I will send you my phone number here.



Thomas

[Blues Fairy]

I understand your point here, OK?  But such a line is a "throw away" IMO.  It is meaningless double talk giving the recipient false hope.  Why would anyone offer an opinion in an area where they have no experience at all is mind boggling.  If, by chance, their opinion is correct, it is pure luck.  We have a saying here that goes "even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then."  I don't know aout you, but I seek advice from those who know, not those who guess.

KenC, I see your point too, but I must disagree that any "experienced" advice is by definition less meaningless than a theoretical probability-based statement.  I see no way an assortment of personal observations can provide a secure GPS grid for the proverbial squirrel.  You and I are as blind as anyone else, no matter how many nuts we have found.  If we offer our perceived generalities as "advice", we may disorient the seeker and show false alerts where there are none.    

Race, I think, is one of the first filtered attributes, just like looks and perhaps religion.  If one "passes" the looks and race test, the rest of the communication is focused on getting to know each other more closely and making sure the family don't freak out.  Much like in any other relationship, interracial or not.  Therefore there's no advice except "cast your net widely and look for those with whom you pass the first set of filtering tests".  Note that this "advice" is essentially common-sense and the OP would have followed it anyway.

[Jet]

but if TW and Bob Smith are willing to accept the risks and know upfront the difficulties they may encounter, I hope that people here will support them. I know I will.

While I see a lot of helpful advice in this thread I've also noticed that whenever a black man posts here about his interest in Russian women, some of the warning responses he gets show an aggressive edge that borders on hysteria. If your real rationale in urging Bob and TW to stay away from FSU women is concern for their well-being, then God bless you. If it's because you hate the idea of seeing a white woman with a black man, I'd say that your behavior is just as wrong as that which you warn the OP about should he visit the FSU, only worse: at least the Russian racists they encounter will be upfront about it and not try to hide it behind a false cloak of concern.

Totally agree. Very well said 

[I/O]

When all is said and done there is much more said than done. In this case, most likely TW will go, he's had a few sober warnings and some encouragement, a reasonable balance, he is less likely to not succeed as a result of a little extra knowledge, what more is necessary?

I/O

[Makkin]

  "It is what it is"...This statement should explain it.

Makkin

[TW1970]

To the original poster, although very odd that a black man
would want to venture into the FSU to pursue white women
(decent honorable educated and solid middle class black men
can have the pick of the litter of black women in America),

Oh no, not another one who thinks all Black men should marry Black women, lol! I thought it was only sistas that thought this but this board has enlighted me.

[TW1970]

I don't see why a successful marriage between black AM and RW should not be possible.  The trick is to find the right RW.  Out of a given number there'll always be a few who will definitely consider a reasonable prospect without any racial bias.  And yes, I speak from experience. 

Thanks for the input and support Blue Fairy!

[TW1970]

TW, You asked a question and you received answers and opinions from some knowledgeable people.  And some not so.  Most are telling you the truth as they know it to be I am sure.

Some may disagree with me but since you find yourself so attracted to RW's you should probably go there and see what happens.  Then you will know.  And maybe you can report back on your progress.  Pretty simple. 

Thanks Tim. I posted briefly why I was going to Ukraine on my very first post although I'll expand on that thought later. Anyway, good or bad, I will write a full report when I return.

[ScottinCrimea]

TW1970,
     Just don't go expecting it to be anything like in the US, don't take anything personal, and have a great time.

[TW1970]

TW, I will be around the Odessa area until the beginning of June.  If you decide to come and are around Odessa them PM me so we can meet.  I will buy the first couple rounds of beers.  If you need any help you can also PM me and I will send you my phone number here.



Thomas

Thanks for the offer! Once I get to the apartment in Kiev and figure out my plans, I'll let you know if I can make it to Odessa.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Thanks for the offer! Once I get to the apartment in Kiev and figure out my plans, I'll let you know if I can make it to Odessa.

Anytime TW.  I will be in Kiev around May 20 through the 23 as well.


Thomas

[TW1970]

if TW and Bob Smith are willing to accept the risks and know upfront the difficulties they may encounter, I hope that people here will support them. I know I will.

Groovlstk, I can not speak for Bob since I do not know him but I appreciate the words of encouragement.

While I see a lot of helpful advice in this thread I've also noticed that whenever a black man posts here about his interest in Russian women, some of the warning responses he gets show an aggressive edge that borders on hysteria. If your real rationale in urging Bob and TW to stay away from FSU women is concern for their well-being, then God bless you. If it's because you hate the idea of seeing a white woman with a black man, I'd say that your behavior is just as wrong as that which you warn the OP about should he visit the FSU, only worse: at least the Russian racists they encounter will be upfront about it and not try to hide it behind a false cloak of concern.

I would say I've seen a bit of both on this board. Although, it sort of reminds me of my time in Biloxi MS and Atmore AL. (a story that doesn't relate to this thread or board). Down there folks are not subtle about their feelings towards you if they do not like your skin tone. But they are straight forward and it makes it easier IMOH to tell where you stand with them. 
 

[TW1970]

TW1970,
I sincerely wish you all the best in your search.  I may have missed it, but what are your motivations for seeking a RW?  I mean, "why a RW?"
KenC

There are really quite a few reasons but I'll try to be concise here. I've lived overseas a bit and have previously dated women from outside the USA. For all those that consistently ask me why I do not marry a Black women, first and foremost, I am not physically attracted to Black women. Then there is the life experiences aspect. When you have lived abroad and enjoy learning about other cultures, it is hard to relate to Black women whom consider a dinner at Outback Steakhouse to be a "cultural experience". Now I do find mixed race women attractive here in the USA but they usually end up dating White guys, lol!

It is also a well known fact that many FSU women are beautiful. What I have discovered though is in addition to this, there are quite a few who are well educated and know alot about other cultures too. I find this appealing plus given the fact that family values still means something in the FSU as compared with most USA relationships. An interesting note is when I look at my friends who are married here, it is the ones married to women from another country that always seem to have a smile on their face.

[Jet]

An interesting note is when I look at my friends who are married here, it is the ones married to women from another country that always seem to have a smile on their face.

LOL I'm with you on this one  I was told earlier today that a coworker's brother, whom I met Saturday, found it high unusual that I should speak so highly of my wife, on such a regular basis. He's so used to his friends complaining about their AW wives that he found it odd  .

[DKMM]

You'll be fine in Kiev and I think you'll have fun if you don't have high expectations.  Its like Georgia, stay in the big cities and you'll be fine, avoid the hicks in the sticks.  I'd probably stay away from clubs at night too.

The biggest problem I forsee is you are not going to be able to tell what the hell is going on.  Everything will be different and people will treat you differently than you are used to.  You won't know if 1) its because you're black, 2) you are American or 3) you perceive it to be different when its just normal for them.  Add to that 4) what are her motives if you jump into the relationship mode.  And like someone else said, they have different levels of relationships there, its not just friends/girlfriend/fiance, no no no there are levels in between.  Have fun!

[mspanky]

  I have a mulatto friend who was in Russia and he had no problems at all. In fact people went out of their way to help him and he dated very beautiful women he is still in touch with.Probably because he's tall and very good looking so physically he is attractive to many. If we are warning men not to go to Russia because there is prejudice of black men by some women, then is there also not prejudice for overweight,old ,bald,short or crippled men by some.

 I would think if we are so concerned about a RW feeling little attraction to a certain type of men then most here better stay the hell home. We would really look at ourselves and realize we aren't exactly Brad Pitt. But most guys will go to Russia and not think twice that a women will not be attracted to his looks. most guys in fact have such huge egos they can be short,fat,bald,ugly AND old and still think he deserves sexy Olga and no one will tell him different.  Because if 99 out of 100 women are not interested we realize we only need one to make it work

 Oh the hypocrisy.

[possum]

Speaking of white/black racism in the FSU, a few of the people I know think that blacks are an inferior race, but these are mostly the same people who refer to the folks from the Caucasus as 'black-assed'.. One thing the OP should be aware of if he decides to go is that the word used to describe a person of his race here is 'negr'.. It's kind of a neutral word that can be offensive, depending on the context and tone of the conversation.. As for the actual American N word, it's far less common, although it is gaining popularity with the young crowd.. OK, back to the regularly scheduled program..

[BC]

One first hand experience is worth a million theories IMHO.

I have no direct experience with this (except for the rather small odds we ALL share) so look forward to your TR's to clarify this subject a bit.

[Makkin]

  In any case good luck and have a great time...All the best to you.

Makkin

[WmGO]

Oh no, not another one who thinks all Black men should marry Black women, lol! I thought it was only sistas that thought this but this board has enlighted me.

Apparently you cannot read - I didn't say anything about whether
black men should or shouldn't pursue white women - I only said it
is "odd" because it is a well known fact of American culture that there
is a shortage of good, decent, honorable, educated, responsible and
succesful black men in relation to the number of black women who fit the same description. That is why black men who fit that description can have their pick of the best black women in America. Of course, if the black man doesn't fit that description then this would not be true. Good luck in your pursuits........

[mspanky]

Apparently you cannot read - I didn't say anything about whether
black men should or shouldn't pursue white women - I only said it
is "odd" because it is a well known fact of American culture that there
is a shortage of good, decent, honorable, educated, responsible and
succesful black men in relation to the number of black women who fit the same description. That is why black men who fit that description can have their pick of the best black women in America. Of course, if the black man doesn't fit that description then this would not be true. Good luck in your pursuits........

  White "top of the line "women can state there is a shortage of good white men too. And a good white man can have his pick. What you are saying can apply to any race. Top 20% of MEN and women of any color will attract at least 80% of the opposite sex.

  As for black men sticking to black women how hypocritical of us to say that.  It sounds like a Femi-NAzi who state white men look for Asian women or latin women because they want servants. I guess we should tell all the men who are looking for FW who are not white they should not do that. Only white should be right for them.

   It's amazing how someone claims to be a Christian and can't see iF God has no intention of the races to be mixed  he would  have made it so they they can not  breed and make babies. God did not allow that with humans and animals,hell a dog can't breed with a cat and so on. So if people can breed no matter what race it must have been God's intent all along. GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES!!!!!

 As for my question why does no one say there is a prejudice against Obese,old, ugly or bald men? Perhaps it's because no one wants to see that is possible and many women will overlook your shortcomings and their lack of sexual attraction for you in order to gain a better life. Those traits I described are universally not "prefered" in a mate by most women. Yet most men will take a chance because it only takes 1 woman to love you.
   Do people really believe the color of a man's skin is more of a physical turn-off to RW than then the majority of "WHite AM" who visit their country ?d. I rarely see the "cream of the crop" as some of you guys try to pretend to be while abroad. But perhaps I am too tough a judge.. But throwing stones at another makes you feel better about yourselves. I highly suspect most of the guys who have a hard time with the "color" issue are not exactly the top guys. Top guys usually won't give a Fkk and will encourage,not discourage.