Leaving Russia

[captchaos66]

Are the majority of Russian women that are seeking American men just trying to get out of Russia? Do American men sometimes go to Russia to be with a woman?

[Misha]

Are the majority of Russian women that are seeking American men just trying to get out of Russia? Do American men sometimes go to Russia to be with a woman?

It depends on where you are seeking. In my case, I met my wife on a free Russian dating site and she was not looking to leave Russia, and would never have guessed that a foreigner would write her a message. If you meet your wife on an agency site marketing to foreigners, the thought of leaving Russia certainly has crossed a woman's mind if she agrees to put up a profile on the agency site  Will they marry just any man just to get out of Russia? That would depend on the woman. This would certainly not apply to all women and the proportion would certainly be up for debate.

[Lily]

Are the majority of Russian women that are seeking American men just trying to get out of Russia?

To answer your question, we would have to meticulously calculate all women profiles on international or English language dating sites, then meet each of them and talk to them very confidentionally. Then we 'd make an estimate.
Do you think it would be feasible? 

Second part of your question is obvioulsy addressed to men. Thanks for addressing, because I don't understand your point. 

[Ravens9273]

I would have to say "NO" to this question. Not saying it does not happen, but from my own experience in knowing agency owners and once upon a time owning a site myself there are very few marriages that actually occur.
I know several agency owners. One has represented over 200 ladies consistently for over 3 years now. Has run a very honest business and has not had 1 marriage accur from her agency. Another has been in business for 5 years. Has represented many ladies. As of right now over 500 ladies and has only had 3 marriages in 5 year history.
I have met many men while visiting Ukraine who are looking with no luck. 1 in particular has been looking over 10 years.
I think if these ladies were looking for the simple idea to LEAVE there would be alot more marriages occuring then there are.

[turniptruck]

Is that accurate?  That seems pretty incredible.  If people are multilisted I suppose it would seem like the chances for marriage would be higher.  Why do you think there are such low numbers?  If you go on a lot of these sites they have thousands of people.  I think one said they add 700 a week or something.  Are they just keyboard romeos?

[roykirk]

Is that accurate?  That seems pretty incredible.  If people are multilisted I suppose it would seem like the chances for marriage would be higher.  Why do you think there are such low numbers?  If you go on a lot of these sites they have thousands of people.  I think one said they add 700 a week or something.  Are they just keyboard romeos?

I would question the numbers too.  It's anecdotal evidence at best and can't be taken very seriously without a meta-analysis of all agencies.  One only has to look at all the apparent marriages that have taken place from EM's site to question these low numbers.  You have to figure that either EM has faked all of those couples for marketing purposes, or her success rate is just that much higher than everyone else.  To me, it's sort of like having all the kids in a classroom fail a subject.  Does that mean the subject is really tough?  No, it means they've got a pretty crappy teacher.  I'd say the same for a dating website with hundreds and hundreds of women that supposedly has never had a marriage occur because of it.  Sounds like a crappy service.

[Gator]

Are the majority of Russian women that are seeking American men just trying to get out of Russia?

7-9 years ago that statement was probably true.  Today, it has changed.  With the improved economy, there are more RM today who can support a family; thus, an attractive, young, unmarried RW has some local choices.  Nevertheless, there are some RW who are not happy with RM.  With the improved economy, such RW can support themselves very well while waiting for Mr. Right to appear.  

In other words, simply flashing your passport is not an answer unless you find a desperate woman languishing in economic doldrums.  

You will have to spend time with your RW, get to know her, and win her heart.  

Being listed with a marriage agency is no indication of a woman's desperation.  I thought I had a real winner, yet in the end she did not want to leave Mother Russia.  It could be argued that she would have left for a better man.  However, she has dated other WM.

Do American men sometimes go to Russia to be with a woman?

 

Every American men here seems to want to be with a woman.  If they want a man, they are hiding the fact because no one is writing about it.

[captchaos66]

What I meant by the second question is - When a russian woman and an American man meet, fall in love, get married, rather than the woman moving to America, does the man ever move to Russia.

[Ravens9273]

These are numbers from my experience. Like I said I once upon a time owned a site and worked with agencies as well. Part of the reason I no longer have the site (sold it) is because of the lack of real relationships.
Also it was mentioned to look at all marriages on Elena's Models.
Elena's Models has good reputation yet also consider how long they have been in business. How many thousands and thousands of Women that have been listed on the site since it started. Consider the thousands and thousands of Men using the site and who have used the site.
Also what you do not realize is most of these sites never let you see other men. They hide this from you. But I had my own site and will tell you the Men usually double the amount of ladies. Agencies I know personally and are good friends with work with Anastasiaweb. Anastasia has over 30,000 Men listed in their catalog for Women to see.
You have to forget the nonsense you read on these websites as to why these ladies look for foreign husbands. They tell you what you want to hear or anything to make sense out of it to you to get you to join.
After my first trip to Ukraine I could not help but to laugh and realized mostly everything said was false.
Most of these ladies are young. Most are recruited to the agency and did not go out looking for the agency.
You have to consider why most of the top sites only put the most beautifulest Women on the site? Do not average or below average looking Women want to be married also?
These sites are a business and like any business they want to make money. They do what it takes to get your money from you. I have seen agency owners in night clubs recruiting ladies. They did not say to them you can find a great man for love and marriage. They were tempting them with the gifts and money they would receive in joining agency.
Why do you think most here say if you are going to the FSU to have back up plans?
If everything was at face value and you met a great girl why would you need a backup plan?
You need backup plan because it is not all at face value and how it is presented to you.
Elena's Models may show you 100 marriages. Yet the question to ask is how many Men and Women have been through their services to create those 100 Marriages. Also these sites such as HRB, Anastasia, Elena's Models etc work with 400 to 500 agencies throughout the FSU.
When you divide it all up the numbers are very accurate.
Bottom line though is you asked if these ladies want to leave Russia. What I am saying and also Gator pointed out. Russia and Ukraine are getting better. If these ladies were so eager to leave you would not be reading about Men's frustrations here. Even a bad agency can produce a marriage if the girl wants it. If these girls were eager to marry and get away then why do the agencies have to write fake letters? I would think then the girls would write all letters on their own. This alone I think answers your question.

[Blues Fairy]

Are the majority of Russian women that are seeking American men just trying to get out of Russia? Do American men sometimes go to Russia to be with a woman?

Most indeed end up leaving Russia because in most cases they speak better English than their husbands speak Russian and they will adapt to western life easier than their husbands would to Russia.  But it does not automatically follow that leaving Russia was their primary purpose. 

For my husband moving to Russia was never an option, and he made it very clear when I (jokingly) suggested it early in our engagement.  But 4.5 years back when we started corresponding, I wasn't even thinking of getting married, much less emigrating anywhere.

[turniptruck]

Raven- thank you for sharing your experiences.  It certainly puts things in perspective.  What percentage of women do you think were/are sincere and what percentage of guys who signed up at your agency made a trip? 

[I/O]

Every American men here seems to want to be with a woman.  If they want a man, they are hiding the fact because no one is writing about it.

Captchaos: Russia doesn't have fences at it's borders to keep the women in.

I/O

[Phil dAmore]

Every American men here seems to want to be with a woman.  If they want a man, they are hiding the fact because no one is writing about it.

Ya know, it has occurred to me that this might be the next step in the evolution of international introductions.  There are a significant number of gay men in Russia and male-male introduction services seem to be un- or under developed.

Just sayin...

[Ravens9273]

Raven- thank you for sharing your experiences.  It certainly puts things in perspective.  What percentage of women do you think were/are sincere and what percentage of guys who signed up at your agency made a trip? 

Well my first website was no different then any normal dating website. We did not work with agencies on first website. Men and Women joined on their own. Cost was $15 a month to send unlimited letters. $25 a month to send unlimited letters and also be able to get ladies personal contact info. Ladies were free and even letters they sent to non paying members those members were allowed to read. We did not get in the middle and people could exchange personal contact info. If lady wanted to send personal info to Man who was not paying member he could still get it. This site however I sold. But since we did not get in the middle we did not get involved in trips etc... Men were on their own to plan their own trips. But from what I saw happening on the site I would say the number of men who actually visited a lady would be very low to almost not at all. This is also frustrating to sincere ladies. Most ladies will not take you seriously until you are standing face to face because of all the false promises of keyboard Romeo's.
But with this site what I learned is Men were writting to many ladies but it did not seem they were getting the responses from ladies they were expecting. If a man wrote to 100 ladies maybe 3 to 5 responded. It is funny how these numbers are down compared to a website when someone is making money on each letter.
If you place a profile on a normal American Dating Website you will see you basically will never get a lady to write to you. You have to do so first and many do not even respond. Basically it is not easy unless you are Brad Pitt. Especially if you are writting to extremely attractive Women.
Well this site had the same results.
Yet if you place your profile on Russian Women Site that works with agencies you never once have to write to a lady and in first day you have 50 letters from Women who all look like models. The pay per letter method seems to create alot of letters to Men.
Yet this was not happening when no one was getting paid for letters.

However since the site was doing well I was expanding into website working with agencies. Once upon a time I did write to one lady on Anastasiaweb.com(before I had my own site). She was real but she was with honest agency (This is key to Anastasia. Girl must be with honest agency). I wrote about 10 letters through Anastasia then wrote to them asking for agency info which they did give me. I called agency and over phone agency did give me the girls phone number with no fee (I was very surprised).
I was very impressed with the agency that I asked owner to be partner in agency site. She was contacting other agencies to join. Her job was going to be dealing with agencies and I would deal with Male customers.
I has website built and we began registering agencies. Agencies had begun loading ladies profiles. At that time we were still building the site but we had agency sections ready for them to begin.
We both wanted to build a site that would rid the industry of the fraud and fake agencies.
To make a long story short I discovered there is no way to make a 100% safe and honest website. We had to deal with scammers everyday on first site joining. Second site we required agencies to load all of ladies personal info so that if problem came up we could contact them directly. However how do we know the info is real and not a phone number to the 20 cell phones an agency interpreter has?
Since I could not promise I could keep my Male customers safe I did not launch the site.
What my experience has shown me is that when you take out the middle people. No agencies etc... Reasons rate in letters is very small. Then you also have to be concerned that the responses you are getting are real or from scammer.
With Agency websites you have to worry about how sincere the lady is because most ladies are recruited. Agencies are writting letters for ladies because this is how they make money. This is why you only see Model quality ladies on these sites. If they were walkins you would see all different type of ladies.
BillyB recommends Bride.ru and I would have to agree this to be a better site to choose. At least with this site ladies are coming to on their own. Just do not expect the response rate you would from an agency website out of ladies.

My main reason responding to this post was a person asked are Ladies looking for foreign husbands to leave Russia. Obviously this answer is no. Now as always there is always the bad apple. But there is also many bad apples in Men looking as well.
If these ladies were looking for way out, no matter what site you were on you would receive so many letters from ladies it is not funny. Agencies would not have to write letters themselves because ladies would do it if they wanted to leave o badly. There would be so many more marriages. It is just then up to the Man to determin if he is marrying a greencard girl.
But the success rate is extremely Low. Elena's Model's, Anastasia etc have gone through 100,000's of thousands of clients between Men and Women since they have started business. At the present Anastasia has about 50,000 Men and Women on their site right now. Think about all the years they have been in business and how many must have used the services. Then look at the number of marriages that actually occurred. You will see the real number is about 1/10 of a percent success to marriage.

This is product of dishonest agencies.
Insincere ladies who were recruited with thoughts of gifts and money.
Keyboard Romeo's
Insincere men also.

Even Women on this site admitted they did not plan to marry or marry foreign Man when they joined sites. My girl also admitted she did not. Her friend who worked as interpreter at agency asked her to join.
One thing I believe is no matter what someone's intentions are. if you are right for each other it will happen. Point is do not give up but do not believe all you hear from these businesses. Remember their goal is your money.
The success rate is low because most also get frustrated and give up. It is a hard road but those who do not give up are the ones you read about who got married. If you do not quite you will find the sincere lady for you.

[tim 360]

A really excellent post Ravens9273 which some will not agree with.  But, very good points for a new guy to consider.