What difference does age make?

[Olgam]

I'm 27. Are you telling me that I'm wasting my time to try to get a mid-20 girl? 

Caperone,unlike those men who are in their late 40s-50s you have all the chances to get a mid-20 girl, because, most of girls ( at least among those who I know) would prefer a relationship with a man of the same age or no more then five -seven years older. And the attitude would be different - because age difference means not only physical difference, but mentality as well, which is much more important when you try to start a relationship. Being mature or not doesn't make much difference here. By the way, I don't think it is mature of older men to look for very young wives. How do they imagine themselves living with them in 15-20 years, I wonder. 
No offence to older men - once I observed a picture, when an older man ( a man who obviously came to find a young and pretty wife for himself) was at the club with a very young girl - that was a sorry sight ...

[roykirk]

roy, where did I write about marriage?!!!!

I wrote"When I met her....
anyway the absense of sense of humour is terrible...

I was being sarcastic myself.  Good Lord.   

[ambach123]

Olgam, it is my impression that the RW are in it to find a financially " upscale " guy, though there is nothing wrong with that. Just look at their profiles, almost all require the man to be "financially stable ".

The RW are not dumb, far from it; they all know that AM in their twenties and thirties or even in forties are broke, with few exceptions, and those exceptions would not be looking for a wife in FSU.


I am left with the impression that the age difference is a positive, not a negative, and that is what the RW want, because it gives them financial security, and that is the main thing they are after.

So I wish what you state was true, the reality is that this pursuit is an exchange of youth and beauty for  upping the socioeconmic status. Both parties know exactly what they are getting into, and as long they both get what they want, the union will last. The union does not last if either of the parties did not get what he/she ( often she) bargained for.


I for one, don't blame the RW, that is the way it has been through the ages, and in all cultures.

[Shadow]

Olgam, it is my impression that the RW are in it to find a financially " upscale " guy, though there is nothing wrong with that. Just look at their profiles, almost all require the man to be "financially stable ".

Always broke is also financially stable. 

[Misha]

The RW are not dumb, far from it; they all know that AM in their twenties and thirties are broke, with few exceptions, and those exceptions would not be looking for a wife in FSU.

It is always best not to overgeneralize. A guy in his early thirties may have more disposable income than a man in his late forties who has to pay alimony and child support.

[Gator]

The RW are not dumb, far from it; they all know that AM in their twenties and thirties are broke, with few exceptions, and those exceptions would not be looking for a wife in FSU.

I would not say the exceptions are few in number.  While many young men may not have an impressive balance sheet, they are doing well and have much potential.  The RW know there are such exceptions.  All they need is a stepping stone to enter America, then implement the second part of their plan - say "paka" to the stepping stone and then find one of those exceptions.

[Misha]

I would not say the exceptions are few in number.  While many young men may not have an impressive balance sheet, they are doing well and have much potential.  The RW know there are such exceptions.  All they need is a stepping stone to enter America, then implement the second part of their plan - say "paka" to the stepping stone and then find one of those exceptions.

I agree with Gator. I knew one woman who was married to a man much older. When she was settled in Canada, she found a much younger man and quickly traded in one husband for another. However, I have another friend who has been married to her even older husband for years and is quite content to be with him. Which is the rule? Which is the exception?

[ambach123]

Exactly what you said Gator.

That is the reason I was advised NOT to look for a RW of less than 28.

The Homeland Security is now taking eight years to issue green cards to Russian immigrant brides, and that time period is sure to lengthen. If she is not too young, by the time she can say "Paka", she would be pushing forty, not an age to find an "exception".

Those who bring a wife of less than 28, do so on their own peril; nothing to do with age difference of the parties.

[Gator]

By the way, I don't think it is mature of older men to look for very young wives. How do they imagine themselves living with them in 15-20 years, I wonder. 

Some of the older AM I have seen in Ukraine and Russia do not have another 15-20 years.   Marriages of people of the same age, particularly if the woman is a little older, are about building a life together and growing old together.  This raises an important issue - Mr. December in May-December marriages needs to provide for Ms. May's future after he is gone if she is an immigrant without an established career to support herself.

This has been said before, many of us AM have been in May-May marriages that started so romantically with beautiful dreams of the future, only to end so terribly.  So why not something different even if it is against the odds, provided the two have developed a solid relationship and have resolved the inherent issues.

Olgam, you are not alone in your sentiments.  Most young RW feel the same as you, yet as with anything, especially involving personal decisions, there are exceptions (read 2TallBill's pst earlier).

If you don't like a large age gap, don't accuse the older men of immaturity.  Call them gamblers, or high risk takers, but don't blame the men.  Blame the young women who encourage them.  You should stand outside marriage agencies and protest as the young women walk to agency's doors, akin to protesting outside abortion clinics.   BTW, are there not some very young RW dating very old and paunchy older RM?  I have seen some spectacular long-legged babes exit from limos with a stary kozel by her side and a flathead security guard with hands like hams nearby.

[Misha]

BTW, are there not some very young RW dating very old and paunchy older RM?  I have seen some spectacular long-legged babes exit from limos with a stary kozel by her side and a flathead security guard with hands like hams nearby.

Dating or sponsoring? In the case of the "old goats" you describe, they may not have any intention of marrying these women.

[Gator]

The Homeland Security is now taking eight years to issue green cards to Russian immigrant brides, and that time period is sure to lengthen. If she is not too young, by the time she can say "Paka", she would be pushing forty, not an age to find an "exception".

It was my understanding that a green card takes two years, with citizenship much longer.  

Nevertheless, VAWA provides for another option.  Under certain circumstances, she can say "paka" in a few months after arrival.   Talk to Maxx who was taken through the VAWA wringer by a RW with a hidden agenda.

[Serebro]

If you don't like a large age gap, don't accuse the older men of immaturity.  Call them gamblers, or high risk takers, but don't blame the men.  Blame the young women who encourage them.

Yes, but what about marketing that says that it's demand that makes supply but not vice versa...

if men want to see young hot girls these are young hot girls that are on covers of magazines but not old wrinkled babushkas...

[Serebro]

BTW, are there not some very young RW dating very old and paunchy older RM?  I have seen some spectacular long-legged babes exit from limos with a stary kozel by her side and a flathead security guard with hands like hams nearby.

I like goats' topic






yes, but there's the same thing in the west with money and girls......

[Gator]

Dating or sponsoring? In the case of the "old goats" you describe, they may not have any intention of marrying these women.

The life cycle of these devious creatures.  First the old goat RM who dumps her after a year or two.  Then she moves to the decrepit AM with or without a sequence of Sandro's "double dealing."   Not long afterwards, she dumps the crumbling patriarch upon finding the exceptional young AM of her dreams.  What a fairy tale life!  

Although this concept may frighten a few men chasing the younger RW, I believe that if you spend enough time with a woman the truth will become evident.  Plus require wholesome qualities rather than long legs in the RW you pursue.

[Gator]

Yes, but what about marketing that says that it's demand that makes supply but not vice versa...

Serebro, this venture is definitely driven by a bastard form of supply-side macroeconomic theory.  The primary reason that older men chase younger RW is because there is a huge supply of pretty, young RW willing to meet them, i. e. because they can.

I must go now as I need to eat some grass (or whatever goats eat) and pee on my whiskers.

[turniptruck]

I'd like to sign up for:

1.  decrepit AM with or without a sequence of Sandro's "double dealing."   
2.  crumbling patriarch
3.  exceptional young AM of her dreams

I don't have much experience but I have great enthusiasm.

If possible, i'd like to volunteer for number 3...1 and 2 less so.  Mostly number 3.  Actually not number 2.  3 and possibly 1 but really prefer 3.  Actually, i'd like to scratch 1 and focus on applying for number 3.

[SANDRO43]

I'd like to sign up for:
1. decrepit AM with or without a sequence of Sandro's "double dealing."

For the WITH option, please refer to www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm .

Actually, i'd like to scratch 1

Well, never mind, then .

[turniptruck]

Aw, who am I kidding.. I'll take any open position

[2tallbill]

Wanted Dead Horse...........

[Lily]

If she is not too young, by the time she can say "Paka", she would be pushing forty, not an age to find an "exception".

 

In the FSU well, but not in Americas 

[DKMM]

ambach,

I don't know where you get your information from, but the majority of R/UW in their young to mid 20's certainly don't want a guy older than younger 30's.  Not their first choice at all.  Maybe broke or desperate women, but normal good girls are not seeking an older guy with money.  They aren't stupid, they want someone nearer to their age and with a good job (and good looking too).  I know this from multiple 1st hand experiences (not just myself).  Even an "older" gal like Lily would take a guy in his 30's if given the choice (and she has that choice because she takes care of herself and she's a good catch).

If you are decent looking, between the ages of 28 and 35 and in a decent career path you are going to have a LOT of girls to sort through.  Its no competition with the older crowd though, we don't want the kind of girls that would go for an older guy for money anyway.

[Olgam]

I am left with the impression that the age difference is a positive, not a negative, and that is what the RW want, because it gives them financial security, and that is the main thing they are after.

So I wish what you state was true, the reality is that this pursuit is an exchange of youth and beauty for  upping the socioeconmic status. Both parties know exactly what they are getting into, and as long they both get what they want, the union will last. The union does not last if either of the parties did not get what he/she ( often she) bargained for.


I for one, don't blame the RW, that is the way it has been through the ages, and in all cultures.

Ambach, I think many older men come to FSU with these thoughts in mind but in this case they shouldn't complain about younger girls using them for money - as it is as you said an exchange, and nothing more then that. But you can't call it a normal relationship, can you?

[Serebro]

ambach,

I don't know where you get your information from, but the majority of R/UW in their young to mid 20's certainly don't want a guy older than younger 30's.  Not their first choice at all.  Maybe broke or desperate women, but normal good girls are not seeking an older guy with money.  They aren't stupid, they want someone nearer to their age and with a good job (and good looking too).  I know this from multiple 1st hand experiences (not just myself).  Even an "older" gal like Lily would take a guy in his 30's if given the choice (and she has that choice because she takes care of herself and she's a good catch).

If you are decent looking, between the ages of 28 and 35 and in a decent career path you are going to have a LOT of girls to sort through.  Its no competition with the older crowd though, we don't want the kind of girls that would go for an older guy for money anyway.

I agree 100%.

I have had experience with an "older guy", but it was a different story and we met in real life, at work and not in the Internet and it wasn't a "dating agency".
I don't think I would have paid attention to his online profile.

If there's a category of young girls who INTENTIONALLY look for older men  it's a dangerous category, IMHO, as I don't know a single girl around me who would do that ON PURPOSE. As for my ex I told my friends and colleagues about him but when they asked me about his age(I hated that question) I said 10 years younger than he really was and ALL of them said that "oh, that's  old, what do your parents say?!"

I have an ex- classmate (of my age), she got her BA in law and started working in a big law firm, later she married her boss, who was 9 years older and when we had a meeting of ex classmates all the girls whispered that like it was a big secret and like they wanted to hide the fact that they knew about that like it was something to be ashamed of.

I don't judge the girls who have relationship with older men, but as I have already said all the cases of big age difference like 9-12 years(I don't know "bigger" age difference from the "samples" around me) were the cases when people worked together and had a lot of time to know each other...I DON'T KNOW girls around me who would open an Internet webpage looking for men 40+ ON PURPOSE or go to the agency looking for older men.....

[Serebro]

Olgam

Ambach, I think many older men come to FSU with these thoughts in mind but in this case they shouldn't complain about younger girls using them for money - as it is as you said an exchange, and nothing more then that. But you can't call it a normal relationship, can you?

LOL

that was the question that many girls on russianwives' websites ask themselves...

How many cases when an ordinary AM has a 20 years younger  model looking AW do they personally know of?!
Yes, there are cases when an AM has a very young beautiful wife, but in this case this man is rich and they both know that she gets his money , he gets her beauty and her body.

For some reason AM going to the FSU has some strange dream to have "one side profit":when he gets her beauty and her young body but all she will get will be a poor old man.

My guess(from political discussions) is that many Americans are sure that they are the best and just by buying a plane ticket to the USA he can make her fall in love with him and be happy.

You will point out at KenC' family and the other cases but if you read his posts attentively you will see that LenaC didn't marry a loser and he helped her with getting education and work...and there are many other cases like this one...

so if you are an old loser and a lazy person and you have a dream to find a beautiful young wife and spend time looking for "red flags in her behavior:does this 20 yo girl love me after a couple of letters or not" forget about this.

the best thing you will find is a green card girl who will leave you as soon as she gets what she wants and you will sit here writing sad stories like "there's no love and all girls only love money and America "

[Jazzyclassy]

I agree with Serebro and DKMM

and no matter what rah rah club says people are not silly to buy your ideas of real love and commitment with young girls when men are the age of these girl's dedushkas

Feed those ideas to other naive people , I just can hear them telling -I never intended to look for such young girl, when she offered me to date I was horrified and could not sleep at night,(yeah sure ) and meanwhile ran to the local gym in order to suit her age, the other thing- it is so difficult to maintain such relations, I always tell people do not follow my footsteps  of marrying young girl and so on. They are all in denial and can not admit that yes they were looking for such young girls and they got them ! Take a look at the population of this forum

99% of it are couples with big ages gapes , I think maybe only few couples are equal, so think for yourself