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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2008, 12:28:31 PM »
Gollleee gee- my VAWA/battered spouse class materials for the past few years (yearly class) differs from Benders sage advice. I guess it all depends on whether we are trying to prove up a claim and the USC didnt do what he was supposed to. . .

false claims?!?!?!? oh me oh my. . . . there isnt an alien in the world that would lie or put her friends up to lying to get  her a magic green card instead of having to stay married to the fat balding ATM machine from america. Silly me- I must be jaded from all of the years in this field. . . . .
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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2008, 01:05:31 PM »
Practice pointer- the DELAY in filing AOS is a factor that can be considered in a subsequent VAWA filing because the whole point of VAWA is the control aspect of the abuser.

Bingo!  Abuse is intertwined with control.  The reasons should be evident. 


Ronnie, your wife indeed is having a difficult time adjusting.  Being dependent upon you for so much is not easy on you.  I would have severe problems with that dependence. 

I am delighted that my wife received her driver's license in less than a month after arrival and that she filed for AOS also in less than a month.  I did not do it to avoid false DV charges.  I did it to free my woman.   For better or worse, but not for lunch. 

She is free to fly from the cage, especially with her car having a navigation system.  If she loves me, she will return.  If not, she will leave soon.  I don't worry about it.

Ronnie, why the fear about the I-864?  125% of federal poverty limits for a single woman is only $13,000.  Alimony would be greater than that.  In fact, legal fees could be 3-4 times that amount if not more dependent upon the dickhead she selected for an attorney.

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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2008, 11:03:31 PM »
Gator,
I think your formula might be overlooking one variable; time. How long does alimony last?  No more than a couple of years in a  marriage of short duration.  How long is the sponsor's support obligation to an alien resident?  Until he or she dies if she choses to avoid the other terminating triggers (Gaining citizenship, working 40 quarters, leaving the USA for good). 

If she has a child who lives on his/own, that's another $13k annually for life. 

Further, gentlemen, as much as we may feel we know our wives, do we know their children that well?  Smart financial advisors discourage parents and grandparents from setting up accounts, presumed to be for college tuition, for children under the Uniform Gifts to Minors Act (UGMA).  Reason: You never know how a 10 year old will choose to live his/her life when he/she reaches the age of 18 and the money becomes theirs with no strings attached. 

When there is a child in the equation then, the risks are greatly multiplied.

PS... Wifey is not having the problems adjusting that she had in the beginning.  She knows she's made progress, albeit slow, but she has a perfect scapegoat for that (me) which allows her self-image to remain healthy. "If you didn't speak Russian, I'd be speaking English perfectly by now!"    "Yes, dear - you're correct."


 
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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2008, 11:29:15 PM »
Gollleee gee- my VAWA/battered spouse class materials for the past few years (yearly class) differs from Benders sage advice. I guess it all depends on whether we are trying to prove up a claim and the USC didnt do what he was supposed to. . .

false claims?!?!?!? oh me oh my. . . . there isnt an alien in the world that would lie or put her friends up to lying to get  her a magic green card instead of having to stay married to the fat balding ATM machine from america. Silly me- I must be jaded from all of the years in this field. . . . .
WmIII...of course your VAWA class and the Bender suggestion are coming from two different angles and addressing different issues.

In doing a little probing into the "statistics" behind the argument for IMBRA and VAWA I found them to be misleading...probably intentionally so. 

Organizations who submitted their studies were usually NGOs who catered to minority groups.  In one example they found that 40% of non-citizen Hispanic women were battered by USC or LPR men.  No mention is made of the ethicity of their batterers, so one is left to guess at that.  Similar figures where quoted for Muslim immigrants and African immigrants. 

These are very high figures and raise the cited "averages" considerably.  One study did find that Filipino women were battered slightly less than the average but no studies were published to show which women were bringing the average down to under 20%.

One needs only a basic understanding of statistics to know that the unaccounted for population of non-minority/non-immigrant husbands must be battering at a very small rate....a rate so small as to destroy any preception of a real need for VAWA or IMBRA.  But Congressmen seldom if ever look past the surperficial numbers.

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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2008, 06:46:22 AM »
In doing a little probing into the "statistics" behind the argument for IMBR VAWA I found them to be misleading...probably intentionally so. 

Organizations who submitted their studies were usually NGOs who catered to minority groups.  In one example they found that 40% of non-citizen Hispanic women were battered by USC or LPR men. 

I believe that study was done in Virginia and the data was collected at various women's shelters. If true it is like going to Intensive Care Unit of a hospital to get the statistics of the general health of the American population.

Also another trick the feminist groups use is to show the number of VAWA based self petitions filed every year to Congressmen/women. Last I heard the number is up to about 10,000 per year and rising rapidly. It gives the impression we are a dangerous lot. 

I was told by an RW immigration attorney who files allot of VAWA petitions that one in three marriages are abusive but in these immigrant/USC marriages two in three are.

IMO the problem is exaggerated in a rather big way.


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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2008, 04:56:48 PM »
Two in three MAY be abusive! It all depends on how you define abuse..and as we have seen mentioned "control" is part of the abuse definition. 

Having said that, what I didn't say is which party is more likely to be abusive.  There are studies that show the woman is more the controlling party.  I have even seen studies showing women strike their husbands far more often than men strike wives.  However, men are far less likely to admit to having been struck or abused.

I mentioned my wife failing her driving test recently.  Prior to going to DMV she expressed a desire to have a male examiner. 
"Why?" I asked. 
"Because woman are meaner," she repied. 
"How do you know that, you haven't even seen how they are yet at DMV." 
"I know how women are in life!" 

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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #81 on: May 20, 2008, 07:49:53 AM »
Having said that, what I didn't say is which party is more likely to be abusive.  There are studies that show the woman is more the controlling party.  I have even seen studies showing women strike their husbands far more often than men strike wives.  However, men are far less likely to admit to having been struck or abused.


 Rudyard Kipling » The Female Of The Species, 1919


When the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail,
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When Nag, the wayside cobra, hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can,
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail -
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws -
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale -
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husband, each confirms the others tale -
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man, a bear in most relations, worm and savage otherwise,
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise;
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger; Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue - to the scandal of the Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same,
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity - must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions - not in these her honor dwells -
She, the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else!

She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate;
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

She is wedded to convictions - in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him, who denies!
He will meet no cool discussion, but the instant, white-hot wild
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

Unprovoked and awful charges - even so the she-bear fights;
Speech that drips, corrodes and poisons - even so the cobra bites;
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw,
And the victim writhes with anguish - like the Jesuit with the squaw!

So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of abstract justice - which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern; shall enthrall but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him and Her instincts never fail,
That the female of Her species is more deadly than the male!

 

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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #82 on: May 20, 2008, 12:15:05 PM »
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And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern; shall enthrall but not enslave him.
John and Abigail Adams came immediately to mind.
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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #83 on: May 20, 2008, 03:03:47 PM »
I didn't know Rudyard was married to a RW.   :cheesygrin:

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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #84 on: May 20, 2008, 04:33:20 PM »
I didn't know Rudyard was married to a RW.   :cheesygrin:

That's why I never forgot this poem... I was the Jesuit.


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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #85 on: May 20, 2008, 04:50:41 PM »
PS... Wifey is not having the problems adjusting that she had in the beginning.  She knows she's made progress, albeit slow, but she has a perfect scapegoat for that (me) which allows her self-image to remain healthy. "If you didn't speak Russian, I'd be speaking English perfectly by now!"    "Yes, dear - you're correct."

LOL My wife tells me the same thing from time to time. Then, I explain that it is important that we have a normal life and have normal conversations and we can't do that if she is only learning English. My wife is also starting to see the progress that she is making, and that helps a lot. But, it is not easy and it is compounded by culture shock.

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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2008, 08:13:26 PM »
I try to make it a point to use only English in my communication with my wife.  Her English is good enough that our relationship doesn't suffer for it.  We revert to Russian only when it is necessary to explain some things more clearly or when we are being playful.  Unfortunately, my Russian is degrading because of this, but I figure there will be plenty of time to make up for it once we move back to Ukraine.

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Re: What do you think about this fellow?
« Reply #87 on: June 18, 2008, 02:55:39 PM »
I do find it ironic that Maxx never accepts a bit of responsibility for his fate though.  He is like the librarian above, what in the hell were they thinking when they married these women? :wallbash:
KenC

A little late on these topic...

Hey, you are right... responsability is shared... nobody have force us to say "yes" during the marriage... but some of the "ladies" are professional about hide the reality...

I have know a similar storythat Maxx... in some way, i was blinded by the "love" that i feel for my wife... a lot of people have see what she make... but they have inform me only after the divorce...

Now, about the Librerian, my own feeling is that he lie... it is only my feeling related to what is post here...

catzenmouse wrote :
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While there are always exceptions I believe that most victims of this type of situation (similar to those who end up sending money to scammers) create the majority of their own problems from delusional thinking and behaviors.

Not sure... it can happen with people who trust other without knowing if the other is trustworthy... feeling "love" is a problem too... it make you blind and allow you to ignore some red flag... the romantic guy can be a wonderful partner for a honest wife... but the perfect victim for a scammer or other "bad" ladies...

In my own personal case, i have no escuses... i have know it after 6 month of marriage ( she have not know that i know it )... but i was in love, i have forgive her, with the hope that it will never happen again... i have change myself with the goal to please her more ( crazy move who have change nothing )... So problem will always appear when love is only one way...

LiveFromUkraine wrote :
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I am not sure Maxx is still living in the past or just trying to help people out.  Maxx seems to be helping a lot of people through some tough times which is great.

Great... not sure of this... maybe "great" for the other... but not for Maxx... Maxx have the knowledge of a "bad" story and can help other for not have a similar story... but himself is in a frozen stage... he help other now but he is static... his life have stop when his "love" story have end... this is wrong... i have know a simalar story that Maxx... the help wanted ( needed ) is for go further in the live and not for use all energy for fight the past... nobody can change the past... but people can help to build a better future...

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AJ there were over 7000 women on the Angelika website and I did my WOVO with only two of them. First was Irina. She believed that her sister, mother and the local mafia where conspiring together to take away her apartment by beaming sound waves at her.

Maxx... do you know why my ex-RW have choose me... a old women, with "power" about seing the future have say her that she will marry a man coming from the sea... from the hundred of guys writing to her, i was the only one who was in the royal navy... so it is the main reason why she have choose me... not because she love me but because she believe in strange thing...

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This is total hogwash, Maxx.  First, we have always accepted your side of your story even though to be fair, we should keep an open mind to the other possibility.  To my knowledge we have only heard your story from you without any corroboration.  Any man here married to a RW would know that there are RW out there capable of what Elvira pulled on you.

Not married... but who was married... one thing that i have always like to my ex-rw is that she say th truth <hen you ask the right question... she have never hide that she was a GCG, that she was unfaithfull... it was
me who was blinded because of love... of course people can think that i lie... but if you don't believe me, you can phone to her directly...

But now, with time, i don't think that she was really a GCG... more a trade-up... during our marriage, she have try a lot of guys ( withour i know it )... but was always back with me... until she have find better that me... and really, she have not make it for herself but mor for her daughter... always wish the best for her daughter... pussing her to the top same when her daughter was wishing simple things... life is not so simple... ot is not about "good" and "bad" but about choice who lead you where you wish... some people try to be honest and use the long road... some people use everything ( honest or not ) for reach the final goal... Are they wrong ? I Don't think !!! They take the risk that us, victim, are not willing to take...

Now, i reply to KenC... a guy who have reach the top... you don't reach the top is you are soft, if you  a "pussy"... if KenC is happy today, it is because he have a very strong character, because he is a leader, because he don't choose for the "half thing"... It have work for KenC because he was strong... he have mis with me or Maxx because we was weak... and this is reality with RW... RW wish a "strong man"... sometime, KenC can be a A$$hole but he is a "strong man"... he is what a RW wish...

In these story, the guy saying that he is a feminist, that he lay almost to the ground for lick the "ladies", etc... are sig, that he is a "pussy".... in these case, he is not with a RW... but if he was with a RW, in a very short time, he was in a more bad situation...

PS: I have only read 50% of these topic... page 3... sorry if i repeat some comment already posted later... Maxx story was always interesting to me because i have know similar story ( in my case, it was more easy because we have not "your" US laws here... )... more will come when i have time


 

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