Hello everyone

[Rick1234]

   Nice to meet you here.
   My name is Rick and I live in Montreal, Canada. After my separation, I put my profile on a dating site and soon I was contacted by some scammers. By then I knew not much about RW besides they are beautiful and hardworking women and I had no idea what was a scammer. When it came the time for the scammer to ask for money I was very intrigued about their request and decided to do some research. Soon I learned all the thing but I was already very involved in this RW phenomenon. Pretty soon I found myself corresponding with some very nice women. When I was still undecided which one I would remain with one of them helped me. She stated that I was the only one she was corresponding with and that without me asking her. I am no a schoolboy, I have pretty much experience with women to understand and believe her. Her sincerity impressed me so I decided. Now I am in the phase of planning to go to see her because she lives pretty far ( Vladivostok).
   Good luck in your search and happiness if you already found your soul mate.
     Rick

[TwoBitBandit]

Hi Rick, glad to have you on the board.

My advice: until you've met in person you don't really have anything serious.  This may be the right one for you, or it may fall apart after the first half-hour after meeting her.  Ya never know what's going to happen.

I don't doubt that the girl is sincere or that your correspondence is serious.   However, have a backup plan in case things don't work out.  You don't want to spend ten days looking at the inside of a Soviet-era hotel room in Vladivostok.

[Rick1234]

    Hi TwoBitBandit

  Yes, I know what you mean, that thing worries me too and I read the 10 commands. But I am not comfortable corresponding seriously with someone else in the same town with hers. So I have to go ahead with my guts and my judgment. In the meantime I try to know her better and build something serious between us. I really believe that you can love someone knowing just his/her soul. The physical appearance is very important but not decisively.   

[Gator]

Rick,

I wish you well.  She may be your soulmate.  However, many a man has seen his hopes build with letter after letter only to crash in 15 minutes of face time. 

You need a backup plan to make sure such a long trip is still successful.  A backup plan in your case could be:

1.  Telephone number and address of a marriage agency in Vladivostok plus reading beforehand a few profiles of the women listed with the agency (no correspondence, just looking and listing a few names).

2.  Telephone number of French or English speaking travel guide to see some sights outside Vladivostok (interesting nature in the Far East of Russia).  Maybe your woman is interested too.  I am a travel enthusiast, and I have on occasion travelled with RW/UW as they show me their country.  RW/UW are splendid travel companions, and my time was fun and interesting even though we both knew that we would never see each other again.

[Rick1234]

I wish you well.  She may be your soulmate.  However, many a man has seen his hopes build with letter after letter only to crash in 15 minutes of face time. 

  I cannot imagine I could be so wrong in reading her. But I have to agree with you, its  perfectly possible. Actually we don't write much in letters, mostly we talk and chat.
  Thank you for the advice, I think I will follow it.

[Muckraker]

If you have any specific questions about Vladivostok, let me know.  I know the agency there, my wife knows lots of people there too.

My Trip Report also has good info about things to do in Vlad. 

Regards,

Muck

[Rick1234]

  Thank you Muck, I will.

  I read your Trip Report and I have to say it is one of the most beautiful love story with a RW I've ever read, and very, very well written. I couldn't stop reading it. It really inspires me.
  Congratulations to your family and a lot of happiness.
   
  Best regards

   Rick.
 

[Billgreen54]

If you decide to come anywhere near Nikolaev, let me know. I live here and always interested in meeting new people here

[msmoby_ru]

    She stated that I was the only one she was corresponding with and that without me asking her. I am no a schoolboy, I have pretty much experience with women to understand and believe her. Her sincerity impressed me so I decided. Now I am in the phase of planning to go to see her because she lives pretty far ( Vladivostok).
   Good luck in your search and happiness if you already found your soul mate.
     Rick

Hi Rick

If you've got a good feeling about her "go for it" .. bugger "plan B" - sometimes in life you've got to follow your instincts - if you are wrong you will learn something about yourself...

If this woman is sincere and you feel good about her, you'll not need a "plan B" .. We shouldn't be choosing our potential wives to be by which city we are visiting.. right ?

I know it's a long way to go, but for the first trip don't make it longer than a week ( if it works out good - it'll be too short - and if it's not, you'll be glad you thought ahead - you could always extend !) You should go when the climate is better - you can go out more - more options.

Read up on her city, make a list of things you'd like to do, she'll like that - shows you made an effort.

One last tip.. if you aren't divorced, yet.. Hasn't she asked about that? Most FSU women don't want a man with "baggage" or a life that isn't planned / sorted out. ..

[Rick1234]

   Thank you for your thoughts, yes I think I will follow my instincts     . What will it be will be, at least I will learn some experiences...

   I am not divorced yet, according to Canadian law one has to stay separated 1 year before starting the divorce process and of course she knows all about that. Anyway it will be passed surely 1 year until an eventual marriage.  :angel:   
 
     Have a nice weekend.

[UTRO]

Welcome Rick Good to see a fellow Montrealer on RWD!! Although I no longer live there, I'll always be a Quebecer from Verdun.
Vladivostok you say? For your sake, I hope her first name isn't Evgeniya (Jenya)?!?
Like Mark says, stick with Plan 'A' 

[steviej]

Um ... have you been talking with her on the telephone? You didn't say specifically, I don't think. I would consider that to be very important. Many times, many days, of talking during your correspondence. Just wondering, are you calling her?

[msmoby_ru]

Um ... have you been talking with her on the telephone? You didn't say specifically, I don't think. I would consider that to be very important. Many times, many days, of talking during your correspondence. Just wondering, are you calling her?

Rick, What Steve says here *is* important.. You should have her home phone / moble ( cell) phone / email / and she will volunteer info without asking

[Rick1234]

Welcome Rick Good to see a fellow Montrealer on RWD!! Although I no longer live there, I'll always be a Quebecer from Verdun.
Vladivostok you say? For your sake, I hope her first name isn't Evgeniya (Jenya)?!?
Like Mark says, stick with Plan 'A' 

    Hi Utrobina!

  Good to see you here, so we were neighbor, cause I am from LaSalle.
  Luckily me her first name is not Evgeniya, you got some bad experience with some scammer in Vladi?
 
  Of course we have been talking on phone, though her English is not very good and communication is rather difficult. 
  Yes, I know from my experience things can be wonderful on letters, but when you talk on phone you can "feel" her, and its not always the same. 
 

[UTRO]

    Hi Utrobina!

  Good to see you here, so we were neighbor, cause I am from LaSalle.
  Luckily me her first name is not Evgeniya, you got some bad experience with some scammer in Vladi?
 
  Of course we have been talking on phone, though her English is not very good and communication is rather difficult. 
  Yes, I know from my experience things can be wonderful on letters, but when you talk on phone you can "feel" her, and its not always the same. 
 

Cool Rick! I grew up in Crawford Park. My ex's parents live on Bishop Power
Yes, my first meeting with an RW was from Vladivostok. It sure taught me some valuable lessons that I won't forget!
I never got to Vlad, but I did a lot of research on it and how to get there. Seems like a really interesting city/region. First I was certain flying West would be the way to go, but after further research I determined that East to Moscow and then on to Vlad was actually just as quick, or quicker.
A lot less hassle without the long layovers through Asia.

[Jumper]

welcome and good luck Rick!

It sounds like you will have a great time!
 and should concentrate on that , and her.



but  I can't see how having the introduction agency in Vlads,
address and phone  number , would hurt anything.

[msmoby_ru]

but  I can't see how having the introduction agency in Vlads,
address and phone  number , would hurt anything.

IF it didn't work out, I'm quite sure he can find that from an internet cafe ... it's all about feeling you are both in some sort of exclusive trial period...

[Jumper]

Mark-
it might surprise you that i generally agree

and did say he should concentate on enjoyting his trip, and on her

 I din't really mean he needed it in a slip of paper in his pocket,
just that he could find out if there are any agencies in vlad,
how many, if they are considered reliable and ethical, or not, beforehand.It wouldn't hurt him to know where the net cafes' are,
or to have muckrackers email ,for example?
or to have exchanged a few emails with muck to get ideas on the city and things to see.
yes his girl will have ideas, having some of his own wont hurt either and somene experienced in the city has offered to help..

and yes ,
there is time for that at a "netcafe" when he is there
 (and if things went south)

I just don't see any harm in knowing some info beforehand either.
Some have posted they learned valuable lessons in meeting a lady..
i really doubt the lesson was to NOT have a agency number in your pocket.the amount of men that actuallky ever where in  trouble for
that is lilely a very very small list.
the "lesson"  was probably along the lines of if meeting one lady,you better know more than a just bit about her.
or to not meet her in some vacation "local" and be trapped in the situation.
many have done this in a vacation city, ,and will never do it again,
 but it was the lady that wasn't right for them,or them for her?
the city they met in dint really matter?
being stuck in sharm el sheik, isn't much different than odessa..?
other than having  introduction agencies nearby?



 

it's all about feeling you are both in some sort of exclusive trial period...

sure you can look it that way..   very romantic
if you are both on the same page, thats good..!!



and you could equally  look at it
as  not putting  unreasonable pressure  and expectations  on yourself ,or the other person, when  simply meeting them for the very first time. Letting go of any preconcieved notions of the person,
and letting  the relationship build now that you are face to face naturally..

posters  sometimes  act like a normal man can't possible concentrate on a certain RW,   
yet also have the time to get some idea of what to do, or where to go or  contact if   things "do" happen to go sour, or flat.

I dont think him perhaps contacting muck, or finding out general info
about local agencies
will really take much time away from his effort to speak  ,
 corresponde ,or build his  connection  with this RW ..

i've confidence the guy can muli-task this easily..
and i'm sure his mind is already quite preoccupied with her as is!

 
Noones advising him to get her sisters,and cousins digits  as well.
sheesh.

[steviej]

i've confidence the guy can muli-task this easily..

Well, AJ, I've heard guys from Montreal aren't very good at multitasking ) [just kidding !!!]

Mark, what's wrong with the climate in Vlad in July?

Rick, how soon are you going? How long have you already been in correspondence with this lady? I'm glad to hear you're doing lots of phone time, and you are right, you can really sense what's happening when you can hear her voice. 

Vlad sounds exotic. Ultro, you never actually went, right? What was the situation that "opened your eyes" - sounds like an interesting experience?

[msmoby_ru]

Mark-
it might surprise you that i generally agree

and did say he should concentate on enjoyting his trip, and on her

 I din't really mean he needed it in a slip of paper in his pocket,
just that he could find out if there are any agencies in vlad,
how many, if they are considered reliable and ethical, or not, beforehand.It wouldn't hurt him to know where the net cafes' are,
or to have muckrackers email ,for example?
or to have exchanged a few emails with muck to get ideas on the city and things to see.
yes his girl will have ideas, having some of his own wont hurt either and somene experienced in the city has offered to help..

and yes ,
there is time for that at a "netcafe" when he is there
 (and if things went south)

I just don't see any harm in knowing some info beforehand either.
Some have posted they learned valuable lessons in meeting a lady..
i really doubt the lesson was to NOT have a agency number in your pocket.the amount of men that actuallky ever where in  trouble for
that is lilely a very very small list.
the "lesson"  was probably along the lines of if meeting one lady,you better know more than a just bit about her.
or to not meet her in some vacation "local" and be trapped in the situation.
many have done this in a vacation city, ,and will never do it again,
 but it was the lady that wasn't right for them,or them for her?
the city they met in dint really matter?
being stuck in sharm el sheik, isn't much different than odessa..?
other than having  introduction agencies nearby?



 
sure you can look it that way..   very romantic
if you are both on the same page, thats good..!!



and you could equally  look at it
as  not putting  unreasonable pressure  and expectations  on yourself ,or the other person, when  simply meeting them for the very first time. Letting go of any preconcieved notions of the person,
and letting  the relationship build now that you are face to face naturally..

posters  sometimes  act like a normal man can't possible concentrate on a certain RW,   
yet also have the time to get some idea of what to do, or where to go or  contact if   things "do" happen to go sour, or flat.

I dont think him perhaps contacting muck, or finding out general info
about local agencies
will really take much time away from his effort to speak  ,
 corresponde ,or build his  connection  with this RW ..

i've confidence the guy can muli-task this easily..
and i'm sure his mind is already quite preoccupied with her as is!

 
Noones advising him to get her sisters,and cousins digits  as well.
sheesh.

Probably we agree on most things then...  othher than the state of mind one goes in.. ... *IF* you are confident about the trip - and the person - part of the romance is the trust in them, and lack of self doubt.. the feeling that if they work out to be as you thought - that only you can cock it up !! ...

[msmoby_ru]

Mark, what's wrong with the climate in Vlad in July?

Nought.. The Summer is the time to go - one can go out more - daylight hours longer, etc. Sorry for not being clear

[Rick1234]

welcome and good luck Rick!

It sounds like you will have a great time!
 and should concentrate on that , and her.



but  I can't see how having the introduction agency in Vlads,
address and phone  number , would hurt anything.


 

   Thank you for your comments, of course it would not hurt having a plan B. We all know that tone of letters and phone call don't stand 30 minutes of meeting face to face. I hope at least I will have an enjoyable trip.

 
 

Well, AJ, I've heard guys from Montreal aren't very good at multitasking ) [just kidding !!!]

Mark, what's wrong with the climate in Vlad in July?

Rick, how soon are you going? How long have you already been in correspondence with this lady? I'm glad to hear you're doing lots of phone time, and you are right, you can really sense what's happening when you can hear her voice. 

Vlad sounds exotic. Ultro, you never actually went, right? What was the situation that "opened your eyes" - sounds like an interesting experience?

  I have been in correspondence and phone with her about 5 months. I am going to Vlad by the end of July.


 

[steviej]

...  I have been in correspondence and phone with her about 5 months. I am going to Vlad by the end of July.

Oh, you are definitely in good shape, man! This is going to work out great for you. (Have you exchanged LOTS of pictures ?