RW what do you think of this guy??

[msmoby_ru]

Good! You all owe me now 

Isn't there an expression in Russian about "selling the skin of the bear before you catch the bear?"

[msmoby_ru]

  ..Many of us Americans are much more critical of him. KenC

Not just Americans, Ken  .. I see a few other nationalities

[Misha]

Oh, he will get clients alright. There will never be a  shortage of clueless men. The thing is with "high quality" men like that, RW are probably having a good laugh when they see these guys. And as soon as the economy is better they will avoid AM like a plague as the Russian government just has to show Eduard's video and let the women  know this is " an upper end AM" compared to most others that show up there.

Reading the posts, I notice that you are extremely critical, yet I do not see your photo. I would like to see you in your average daily attire. One of my former bosses explained to me his philosophy of life: he believed that when you point a finger at someone, you have four fingers pointing back at you. I agree with him. It is easy to point out the flaws in others, harder to see your own.

In the end, dating is a market. You sell yourself and try to find a buyer. John will be compared to other AM looking for foreign wives and he will be compared to local men. All things considered, I do not think that he comes across as that bad of a guy. Heck, he irons his own shirts.

What was the other big complaint? Gum and swearing? Have you guys ever been around average Russian men? Trust me, they make liberal use of swear words in their speech. The same is true for many RW. I doubt that an AM throwing in a few f-words when with friends would raise my eyebrows. As for the gum, I already commented on that.

[May First]

I wonted to point out that this whole movie sat up is funny!
It may not be that John is so funny on his own, but the sat up is. Trip to Moscow (come on!), the “get laid in the bar” talk, women, and the way the acted. All that is so unrealistic like “loose 20 lbs in 1 week, just buy this pill” commercial.
But of cause there will be some poor suckers who will buy in to this.
As for Russian, I guarantee you he laughs out loud himself.
Hope he makes lots of money of those idiots.  

[Simoni]

RW do look past some physical or superficial shortcomings of men before they pass judgement!?
KenC

Bulls-eye!  If you compare  the physical appearance of the majority of guys at RWD with their wives, there is no doubt that the girls were not looking at superficial appearances when they made their decisions :-)

BTW--many made fun of Jimmy Carter's accent and Abe Lincoln's appearance, too.  Both became President.

[May First]

  RW do look past some physical or superficial shortcomings of men before they pass judgement!?
KenC

Yah, like chewing the gum, slurping all over on a date in front of his date…
Profanity every other word,
Talking about getting laid up and down the street.
All that on tape!

That is all just fine for Doll and others.
Far some reason Doll describes her husband as this educated high-class man, with high paying job, who would never eat fast food…..
If she is not lying, she did not marry this kind.
I wonder why.

[KenC]

What I find most interesting here is that we have two fine RW (Doll & Zhena) defending this guy's presentation of himself.  Many of us Americans are much more critical of him. Maybe the agency hype is correct?  RW do look past some physical or superficial shortcomings of men before they pass judgement!?
KenC

I would like to follow up on my own post.

Doll, Zhena and other RW,
OK, I "get it" that you are looking past this man's dress and physical appearance and are looking much deeper than most of us.  But do you appreciate when a man puts forth an effort to present himself in the best way possible?  Or are we wasting our time dressing well for you? :noidea:  If this man's lack of fashion sense has no bearing on your outlook does that mean that when a man dresses well for you and displays good manners does it have no effect at all?
KenC

[May First]

I never criticized the way he was dressed, or his weight.

[May First]

I would like to follow up on my own post.

But do you appreciate when a man puts forth an effort to present himself in the best way possible? 

That would be nice, but not a deal barker, I think.

[mspanky]

Reading the posts, I notice that you are extremely critical, yet I do not see your photo. I would like to see you in your average daily attire. One of my former bosses explained to me his philosophy of life: he believed that when you point a finger at someone, you have four fingers pointing back at you. I agree with him. It is easy to point out the flaws in others, harder to see your own.

In the end, dating is a market. You sell yourself and try to find a buyer. John will be compared to other AM looking for foreign wives and he will be compared to local men. All things considered, I do not think that he comes across as that bad of a guy. Heck, he irons his own shirts.

What was the other big complaint? Gum and swearing? Have you guys ever been around average Russian men? Trust me, they make liberal use of swear words in their speech. The same is true for many RW. I doubt that an AM throwing in a few f-words when with friends would raise my eyebrows. As for the gum, I already commented on that.

   Misha,

 I don't post my photo here, not because I'm ashamed of how I look or dress. But because I am in a business where I would rather not do so on this forum. But I do have a MySpace page for my biz and my pics there are very proper. I do work out and take power walks everyday because I want to age well. I do not fear getting old. But fear being sick and unhealthy when I am old.

  Sure, there are times when people point fingers at others when they should be pointing it at themselves. but there are other times they do so because they can see the wrong in it. There are actually people in this world who can tell right from wrong and don't have to imitate it.

  It takes the same amount of time to pack and put on nice decent clothes. It takes an hour or so every other day to work out and keep fit(especially if this man is really in his 30's). To ignore your body, your presentation is no excuse. Especially if you are seeking a mate. Why not raise the bar on yourself??? As I've said in traveling, many natives can spot the AM not by his speech, but by his physique and his sloppy dressing. Hang out with a native sometime and they will tell you. It's quite embarrassing really as they are correct. And as we have seen on his dates faces, they were not too impressed with him either. In business the one thing you learn to read  is body language. their body language spoke volumes.

 

[Misha]

t's quite embarrassing really as they are correct. And as we have seen on his dates faces, they were not too impressed with him either. In business the one thing you learn to read  is body language. their body language spoke volumes.

It must difficult now knowing any Russian. The problem, as I see it, is that being filmed makes things awkward and having any interpreter with you would certainly kill the moment. With an interpreter, it would be hard to create the intimacy required for that elusive "chemistry" to happen.

[mspanky]

  Misha,

 Believe this. When a woman is interested her body language will tell it all. Camera or no camera. her face lights up when she is with him. She will lean into you. Will smile at you while looking into your eyes.

 Even on Tv with a milliom cameras pointing at them the gals on the reality shows will show more chemistry and interest, so I don't know what a camera has to do with it.
 
   BTW, a couple of years ago I tried to shop a "Reality show" for foreign wives. Because I had a good friend with good connections I had 4 interviews set up with people who had already produced  popular shows. Each and every one said this sort of show had been shopped before. I was not the first.

Their consensus was though it was an interesting idea, too few people are doing it so the ratings would be low.  And felt they would be exploiting the kind of poor suckers doing this(now they actually care about exploiting?) Where did they get the idea only desperate suckers with no social skills do this? By the media and the very agencies themselves who feed this to the public everytime they can.

 I tried to explain to them the ratings would be high, especially if they put it on a cable network. Also that there were many high quality men  and young men who would tune in as they are secretly curious about this and perhaps the show could break the negative stigma of the type of men going there. But they passed and kept insisting too few people were interested in this. They also thought they may turn off many sponsers. I disagreed. I thought sports drinks(gator aid), fast food,gyms,car makers and others would have jumped to sponser this. but then maybe they're right and I'm wrong.

 
   
 

[Misha]

Believe this. When a woman is interested her body language will tel lit all. Camera or no camera. her face lights up when she is with him. She will lean into you. Will smile at you while looking into your eyes.

I don't disagree about the body language. There are a host of other signs as well: mirroring postures, distance, etc... What I am saying is that the "chemistry" often happens in the first few minutes. If you show up with someone else who has a camera, it can be disconcerting and it may not help your chances. There are a number of things that help to promote that chemistry, including extended eye contact. This is why I liked meeting women for a coffee. You can talk, you can look each other in the eyes, and by the end of the date you know whether there is a spark. Also, I believe it is a numbers game: the more people you meet, the more likely you will find one who will click with you.

[mspanky]

I don't disagree about the body language. There are a host of other signs as well: mirroring postures,

  mirroring always creeps me out. Especially when someone is doing it to me.

[Lily]

I would like to follow up on my own post.

Doll, Zhena and other RW,
OK, I "get it" that you are looking past this man's dress and physical appearance and are looking much deeper than most of us.  But do you appreciate when a man puts forth an effort to present himself in the best way possible?  Or are we wasting our time dressing well for you? :noidea:  If this man's lack of fashion sense has no bearing on your outlook does that mean that when a man dresses well for you and displays good manners does it have no effect at all?
KenC

I would appreciate it and respect a man who 'd put his best efforts at improving himself. However, on the end I'd be interested in the result that he has achieved (or not achieved), and it would probably not matter how much time, efforts and resources did it cost to him. We are all created differently, some people are just more gifted naturally than the others, so everyone would have to put an inequal amount of efforts to get to the same desired point.

Of course here I mean the things that are perceived on an instinctiuve level, not on a reasonable level. Human instincts are shallow. Attraction is instinctive. Respect comes from our reasons.

On the second point re John's lack of fashion sense: probably it would have less bearing on my outlook on him because not everyone has this sense, because it actually could be learned in a relatively shorter time, and, last but not least, John has some other issues that would take much more time and efforts to be improved, if at all.

[Misha]

  mirroring always creeps me out. Especially when someone is doing it to me.

Why? Most people won't even notice it. You can tell if a couple is into each other when they unconsciously mimic each other's pose.

[mspanky]

  Misha,

   Unfortunately, mirroring is used by many people who are aware of it . It's been put into male dating advice and women's too. In fact when my sister was still dating she read a book called "The Rules" which let the females in on this. I told her to be very suttle when she does use it so it looks natural .So it is very obvious to me when someone is consciously mirroring as many people tend to over do it so I will notice. But when it's done unconsciously and without force  it is very suttle and that I can deal with as it's genuine.

[Misha]

I told her to be very suttle when she does use it so it looks natural .So it is very obvious to me when someone is consciously mirroring as many people tend to over do it so I will notice. But when it's done unconsciously and without force  it is very suttle and that I can deal with as it's genuine.

Conscious mirroring would only have to be done if a woman is not interested or attracted to the man. Why bother going to the trouble of doing if if you are not interested?

[KenC]

I would appreciate it and respect a man who 'd put his best efforts at improving himself. However, on the end I'd be interested in the result that he has achieved (or not achieved), and it would probably not matter how much time, efforts and resources did it cost to him. We are all created differently, some people are just more gifted naturally than the others, so everyone would have to put an inequal amount of efforts to get to the same desired point.

Of course here I mean the things that are perceived on an instinctiuve level, not on a reasonable level. Human instincts are shallow. Attraction is instinctive. Respect comes from our reasons.

On the second point re John's lack of fashion sense: probably it would have less bearing on my outlook on him because not everyone has this sense, because it actually could be learned in a relatively shorter time, and, last but not least, John has some other issues that would take much more time and efforts to be improved, if at all.

OK Lily,
I get it, you would just "fix" the parts you didn't like!

The one point I would like to make is that the idea of dressing well for a date with a woman is not a "false front" in my book.  It is who I am as a person.  I would also expect the same from the woman I was dating too.  How a woman dresses for a date with you is also VERY telling.  In my single years I was dating a young (27 yo) psychologist from PA.  Great woman with lots of potential, but we just were incompatible in this area.  She had no fashion sense at all.  There were times when I was embarrassed to be with her quite honestly.  It wasn't due to a lack of effort on her part either.  Case on point is when I told her we were going to go out to a nice restaurant (trying to clue her into how to dress).  When I picked her up she seemed to be wearing an old prom dress!

I never had that kind of miscommunication with Lena.  She always knew exactly how to present herself in every situation.  How?  Hell if I know!  But she did.
KenC

[OlgaH]

The one point I would like to make is that the idea of dressing well for a date with a woman is not a "false front" in my book.  It is who I am as a person.  I would also expect the same from the woman I was dating too.  How a woman dresses for a date with you is also VERY telling. 
KenC

Exactly. 

[Makkin]

Hi,

  This guy is from Scotland/Ireland/England if I'm not mistaken? His accent tells the story clearly if you listen. He may have been in the USA for a bit but his formative years were not in the USA.
   Looks as if he has been in Florida for a bit too long or somewhere where casual dress is the norm???

Makkin

[Zhena]

I would like to follow up on my own post.

Doll, Zhena and other RW,
OK, I "get it" that you are looking past this man's dress and physical appearance and are looking much deeper than most of us.  But do you appreciate when a man puts forth an effort to present himself in the best way possible?  Or are we wasting our time dressing well for you? :noidea:  If this man's lack of fashion sense has no bearing on your outlook does that mean that when a man dresses well for you and displays good manners does it have no effect at all?
KenC

No,Ken,of course put an effort to dress for us That is a good thing,that shows you care.
My point was that such negative reaction of almost all of the guys and the all girls on other forum...seems a bit unsincere to me. Because  reality shows: many girls DO marry a guy like this due to a little choice(a number of a classy guys who come in the tours is close to zero) ,and if you would see those tour groups-there are many guys like this one or worse.
I think all your wives here are lucky cos you re so classy and caring guys.
By the way-what do you think of those girls on this video?

[Zhena]

Bulls-eye!  If you compare  the physical appearance of the majority of guys at RWD with their wives, there is no doubt that the girls were not looking at superficial appearances when they made their decisions :-)

BTW--many made fun of Jimmy Carter's accent and Abe Lincoln's appearance, too.  Both became President.

[Ronnie]

Doll,
In the video the man not only has an Irish brogue but says he's Irish.  Watch it again when they're in the English pub in Moscow.  Why are you so hard-headed on something that's so obvious.  And no, he has not lived in the United States 35 years.

Even if he were for the sake of argument, a born American, he would be totally unlike any American with which I associate or have associated with.  I play on baseball teams of mixed races and softball teams as well as spend many years of my life on golf courses with no women around.  Nobody talk or acts like this "John" but a few misfits and NY/NJ mafia types  His type is seen mostly in our r-rated films, made by people who know the high school student is their market.  Thank you Hollywood!

[OlgaH]

I think all your wives here are lucky cos you re so classy and caring guys.

In this case I would not say that my husband is my luck. He is my choice that is based on my preferences.