Apartments

[Wolf]

   I plan to spend my holidays in Ukraine. I know your opinion about Anastasia or Afa, but my question is: can I trust them in renting their apartments? I think if they are secure in this field I could avoid a lot of problems in dealing with particulars  . Which is your opinion about it? 

[catzenmouse]

No personal experience with either but do you trust a known liar and thief doing business under a different name?

FWIW

[viking]

There are a number of people here who have the ability to set you up with places to stay in the Ukraine. Tell us where you plan to spend your time and we can direct you. Aweb and AFA are the last places you want to ask for help.

[I/O]

can I trust them in renting their apartments?

No.

I/O

[GregfromGa]

If you plan on staying in Kiev, I can probably set you up with the lady I've been renting from for years. It's on Khreshatic and it's across the street from Independence  Maidan Square (spelling might be a little off). Nothing really fancy with this apartment but it's very clean and has a nice bathroom and a balcony overlooking Khreshatic. Just dont plan on watching any parades from the balcony. The police will knock on your door. If you're interested shoot me a PM and we can exchange information. I'll be using it Sept 12th -25th.

[Wolf]

  Well, mi idea was spending my holdays in Ukraine, more or less betwen 10 to 12 days there.  So I started looking for a organize trip in a normal agency but they were too expensive so I started looking at flights and I found some of them for 450 euros (with return) to Kiew. So the idea was spending like 5 to 7 days in Kiew and move to Odesa for 5 days ( I still don´t know how to do it, I will get more information about it).
  At the begining I was looking for staying in a hotel but too expensive too ; so I started to look for apartments and the ones with Anastasia and AFA seemed ok and not very expensive, and I thought that as being companies who earn money with social and that stuff perhaps they were honest in renting.
  Anyway, anyone knows the  average wage for an ukranian? It would give me an idea of what to expect being there.
  Thanks for your help   

[FootballDad]

If AFA is a liar and or thief, I am screwed.  I have rented an apartment through them for next month's trip to St. Pete that I have been fully charged for the five nights with a confirmation number.  Is there anything I should do to make sure my reservation is legit (outside of flat out "calling them out")? 

[ScottinCrimea]

If AFA is a liar and or thief, I am screwed.  I have rented an apartment through them for next month's trip to St. Pete that I have been fully charged for the five nights with a confirmation number.  Is there anything I should do to make sure my reservation is legit (outside of flat out "calling them out")? 

I think you'll have an apartment, you just paid premium price for it and it may not be exactly what they led you to expect.

[groovlstk]

If AFA is a liar and or thief, I am screwed.  I have rented an apartment through them for next month's trip to St. Pete that I have been fully charged for the five nights with a confirmation number.  Is there anything I should do to make sure my reservation is legit (outside of flat out "calling them out")? 

During my search I rented apartments from the same agencies that I used for dating (not all of which were honest), and in all cases they were simply brokers for real estate agents, meaning they get a referral commission for renting the apt. but nothing more. If you search for available apts. in whatever city you're visiting you can probably find the leasing agent. As Scott wrote in his post above, you probably paid more than market value but I wouldn't worry too much beyond that.

[ambach123]

I plan to be in Kiev, the end of September for ten days.

I would like some leads for renting an upscale apartments.

Thanks

[Kuna]

ambach,

I saw in your other thread that you were looking for an "upscale apartment".

May I ask why?


Here's ya go... This place is pretty upmarket.  You should be very comfortable and the ladies will be well impressed.   

http://www.hyatt.com/hyatt/reservations/flow1/corpSelectedHotelRates.jsp?xactionid=11a79a7d85f&_requestid=804546

[ambach123]

I am used to staying in upscale places in USA, I see no reason to change that while in Kiev.

I would prefer to book a one bedroom apartment. So far the best I can find is by www.delphania.com . It does not cost all that much about $100 + per night.

[msmoby_ru]

hi

subscribe to the Kyiv Post.. if you plan on spending time in Kiev/ Kyiv... You can take a short-term sub and view pdfs of the adverts for apartments...


http://www.kyivpost.com/

tip - you will pay more to be near the centre - and if you don't / can't - be near a metro/ underground station

It's a good paper to read before you go, and you might pick up cheap flights within ( the ) Ukraine

[Kuna]

I am used to staying in upscale places in USA, I see no reason to change that while in Kiev.

I would prefer to book a one bedroom apartment. So far the best I can find is by www.delphania.com . It does not cost all that much about $100 + per night.

Are you serious???

I mean, come on... are you being honest?  That's the best you've found?

Man... the average Ukrainian "service provider" are going to love you!  They dream of people like you walking into their web... errr lives!

Your questions are strange...  your thoughts are poorly thought out...  dude...  you need to think seriously about whether you're up to this.

All this talk about an "upscale apartment" is just an invitation to get ripped off and there are guys here that will lead you right to the wolf dressed in sheep's clothing that will do it.

You know what... good on them. This may be the only time I think someone deserves to be ripped off.

Let me TRY to explain:

BUT by asking for "upmarket" you're guaranteed they'll add $100 per night and just tell you he's getting you the best there is. 

Once you're there and he has your money how would you know any different?  What have you got to compare against?  What if you get there and you don't like the apartment?  Once you're in their "care" you'll either go along with what they want OR they'll leave you high and dry.

You need to be better prepared than that and that includes you're frame of mind.

If you want a better than average place just look at the online services and pick one out.  The fact that you think that website you showed us above is the best you could find makes me SERIOUSLY doubt your capabilities here...

Geez dude...  !!!

Dan has a "FSU Lodging" link to the left... why not use them?

If that's not good enough for you go ahead and stay in the Hyatt, but you'll be sending out the wrong message to ladies you're meeting.  At $650 a night you can feel like you're back in the USA too...  no fear of experiencing anything similar to the life your dates are living.  Cool thing about that is that you can remain clueless.

I'm really not trying to be harsh but mate, I just don't know what you're thinking...

I'd suggest what you need is a clean, tidy and secure apartment somewhere near the centre of Kiev.  You should be able to get this for $100 - $120 per night.

IF that's still not "good enough for someone like you" have a lok at http://www.sherbornehotel.com.ua/room-rates.html ... but still you won't get the real experience that will give you a great education.

ambach...  if your idea for your first trip is to learn and experience kiev why would you hide away in an apartment/hotel/restaurant/bar that is just like you find at home?

Why not go mid-end and stop hiding away in your sterile little boring US existance and get out to experience something different.

Be warned...  all lobby's/stairwells in apartment buildings are going to be shabby at best, but you can get a comfortable apartment for $100 per night.

It's something I don't get about some people when they travel...  why not experience something new and different (other than a Marriott etc which are the same boring joints the world over).  I think it's especially important when you're thinking about marrying a FSUW.

Also, what sort of messages do you think you are sending the women you're meeting?  IS that where/what you want to be???

Mate, I reckon you've got a lot reading (RWD) and thinking to do.  Most men here want to help but most of all you need to help yourself.

In any case... good luck with your planning.

Kuna

[ambach123]

Kuna, I appreciate your ribbing.

First of all, I am fortunate enough that a few dollars don't mean much to me. My biggest expense would be from my absence from my business  in USA which needs my hands on attention.

So Delphania would rip me off? How do I know that someone else would not do the same? At least Delphania has pictures and list prices, which I assume are the same for everyone.

Mate, I just would not want to stay in a seedy place.

Last night I received an email from one of the several girls I am communicating with who is in real estate business, she offered to find a " nice " aparmtnet in Kiev for $50. (She also offered to meet me at the airport). I have not taken her up on the offer and probably would not. Her idea of nice may not be the same as mine.

About attracting the " wrong " girls, I am what I am, and that would be evident to anyone who meets with me whether in USA or anywhere else.

Kuna to answer your larger question, I am not surprised that I look " strange " to you.
I am an entrepreneur, and like most of the entrepreneurs we have several things in common as a group:

We almost always think differently from everyone else, that is how we bring different products and services to the marketplace. The business I brought to the marketplace did not exist in that format, and just everyone thought I was " crazy ".

Price tag is not the most important thing for us. The American system rewards us very generously. I like our system very much.

We also have a very poor record of personal relationships.

[Kuna]

Kuna, I appreciate your ribbing.

Only trying to help mate...  no offense intended.   

First of all, I am fortunate enough that a few dollars don't mean much to me. My biggest expense would be from my absence from my business  in USA which needs my hands on attention.

So you're like a few of us in here, try not to feel too special.    

So Delphania would rip me off? How do I know that someone else would not do the same? At least Delphania has pictures and list prices, which I assume are the same for everyone.

Not saying they would rip you off... looking at their site though, I wouldn't trust them.  To much boob and that tells me they are doing the wrong things to attract the wrong men.  Please don't tell me you're using them for introductions!   

Also, I'm not saying others WON'T rip you off... but it doesn't need to be like that.

Keep in mind that if you say things like "a few dollars don't mean much to me" you're guaranteed to be ripped off, and to some women that will make you look stupid.

If you're serious about finding an amazing women, you won't want them to think you're stupid will you?

Mate, I just would not want to stay in a seedy place.

A normal apartment doesn't have to be seedy.  Expect them to be a little worn but I've stayed in 5* hotels around the world that were worn too. The apartment should be clean and functional though.

Last night I received an email from one of the several girls I am communicating with who is in real estate business, she offered to find a " nice " aparmtnet in Kiev for $50. (She also offered to meet me at the airport). I have not taken her up on the offer and probably would not. Her idea of nice may not be the same as mine.

Wouldn't it be nice to know if your idea of nice is the same as hers???  You also need to realise local price is very different to tourist price and that means your $100+ apartment may not be better than her $50 apartment.

I think the very BEST women are often very prudent with their money.  Not cheap, not stingy, PRUDENT.  They can have beautiful clothes but not many outfits - but trust me they care for everythign they own.

About attracting the " wrong " girls, I am what I am, and that would be evident to anyone who meets with me whether in USA or anywhere else.

This is where I start to worry about you - it's just such a silly thing to say.   

Kuna to answer your larger question, I am not surprised that I look " strange " to you.
I am an entrepreneur, and like most of the entrepreneurs we have several things in common as a group:

We almost always think differently from everyone else, that is how we bring different products and services to the marketplace. The business I brought to the marketplace did not exist in that format, and just everyone thought I was " crazy ".

I'm sorry, now you just sound like a fool.

ambach,  you have no idea who you're talking to and you have no way of measuring yourself against the people here offering you advice.

This is a very bad sign in my opinion and I'd be surprised if you will be successful in this journey. 

You sound far too self absorbed for a woman of good character to respect.

We almost always think differently from everyone else, that is how we bring different products and services to the marketplace. The business I brought to the marketplace did not exist in that format, and just everyone thought I was " crazy ".

You may be a unique individual people in your industry and you may be insanely successful but I've been watching your questions as they evolve and I think you're below par compared to many of the newbies that come here.

You've got time to refine your thinking but if you're not able to do so be prepared to not reach your goals.

Price tag is not the most important thing for us. The American system rewards us very generously. I like our system very much.

Oh dude...  you're going to struggle.  Way too self absorbed...

We also have a very poor record of personal relationships.

ambach...  mate, seriously,  I'm not TRYING to be negative but I'd encourage you to rethink this.

Almost everything you've said in this post makes me think you're not the type of guy to succeed at this, then you finish off with this.

Mate, I'd be really interested for you to tell us what you think a Ukrainian woman is really like...  Why do you think you'll be successful in a relationship with one when you say your character results in a "very poor record in relationships at home".

These relationships aren't easy... in many ways they are MUCH harder than those at home.  I think you need to think seriously before progressing much further.

Again,  I don't meant o be too critical but this thread is throwing up many red flags.

[Mir]

Anyway the bottom line is if you are looking for an apartment just go on Gogol and type: 'Apartments in Kiev' and you will get at least a dozen links, all have photos and all are reliable (I have used many of them).
I think this should be a piece of cake for an entrepreneur of your standing.
Goodluck

[viking]

The thing about entrepreneurs is that they are visionaries. They have a whole different skill set then others. One thing they do NOT have, typically, is the ability to manage. To think analytically. That is why most good entrepreneurs hire the best CEO and CFO and Sales managers they can find.

I think you need to hire a manager to help you here. Because your vision of what to expect is not reality.

[Kuna]

The thing about entrepreneurs is that they are visionaries. They have a whole different skill set then others. One thing they do NOT have, typically, is the ability to manage. To think analytically. That is why most good entrepreneurs hire the best CEO and CFO and Sales managers they can find.

I think you need to hire a manager to help you here. Because your vision of what to expect is not reality.

Are ya kidding?      

He's already said money doesn't mean much to him and he doesn't mind throwing it around.  Could you imagine a guide getting hold of him.  He'd be an industry upon himself and he'd still not have a clue about why all these women are "so materialistic".


                         

Some people just shouldn't look to FSU for a wife....

[ScottinCrimea]

I have to agree with Kuna here.  While entreprenurial attitudes and behaviors may serve you well in the business world, they will be a decided disadvantage in this endeavor.

[SANDRO43]

I think you need to hire a manager to help you here.

Viking, are you slyly suggesting he should avail himself of Eduard's services ?

[Wolf]

  Anyone has used this company  http://odessarental.com/  ?

    Any reference about it?

[Shadow]

For my visit to Kiev I used a similar company (found many by searching Google) and had no problems. If you find an apartment, google the street address and you will magically find the same apartment offered at different prices. Agencies usually add 50%-100% to the price of rental companies.

[Donhollio]

  Well, mi idea was spending my holdays in Ukraine, ~ So the idea was spending like 5 to 7 days in Kiew and move to Odesa for 5 days ( I still don´t know how to do it, I will get more information about it).
 

In Odessa you can't go wrong with Matt and his rental apartment biz. A UK ex pat he has all you need to make you comfy.  I know him personally, give him a try but  don't wait until the last minute,as it's the summer season there right now.
 www.odessarentaflat.com

[msmoby_ru]

Are ya kidding?      

He's already said money doesn't mean much to him and he doesn't mind throwing it around.  Could you imagine a guide getting hold of him.  He'd be an industry upon himself and he'd still not have a clue about why all these women are "so materialistic".


                         

Some people just shouldn't look to FSU for a wife....

The Crazy thing about ambach is he keeps managing to alienate the very people that tried to help him .. I'm thinking of offering my services to him as a guide for an extortionate amount of money and he'll probably buy as he likes to show off his money  - Ambach  I accept Amex ...