My search is over, ALREADY!!

[naive]

Hi everyone,

I am a new member searching for a FSU woman and I thought I post my roughly 1 month of experience here before I throw-in the towel.  First of all, my congratulations to people like jb, bruno, turboguy, dan (and please excuse for many others I can't remember their names on top of my head) for their success and for their continued happiness.  You guys deserve it every bit, just by the fact you went thru the agony. 

 

So I joined two international agencies about 5 weeks ago; one with good reviews and the other in the news a couple of times.  I refrain from writing the names of these agencies, as I do not want to start a war.  Here are my experiences with the FSU women I communicated with thru these agencies.   I am sure you guys have experienced all this and don't want to waste your time; but I thought maybe I get advice from some experienced people on this site.

 

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• Girl form Belarus:  This girl writes her English is good on her profile.  We wrote emails everyday.  Meanwhile I can only make sense only half of what she writes in her emails.  She sends pictures and I have trouble trying to convince myself if this is same girl even with my reading glasses on.  I call her up (she did give me her tel #).  And the conservation ended up pretty much hi and bye.  Neither of us had any idea what the other was talking about.  Out of my own curiosity (please forgive me), I asked her in one of my emails, what does it cost her to use internet everyday.  She said US $4-5.  At least I would find it expensive to pay that much money for internet even in US. [/*]
  
• Girl from Chelyabinsk:  He English is good, gives me her address, tells me she is studying to be a lawyer.  But she is also a professional billiard player.  After some communication she tells me she dreams to come to US, she asked me what kind of place I live (I live in a one bedroom) and she lives in a 4-room flat.  She plays billiard 9-11 PM and sometimes for money.  I am wondering why does she want to come here when you have a good life in Russia.  I am sure she can find guys there.[/*]
  
• Girl from Saratov:  She tells me she is a photomodel but studying to be a lawyer.  Meanwhile she never answers any of my questions.  She will disappear for a 3-4 days and make a stupid excuse which is hard to buy.  Her emails are pretty much useless; how are you, what are you doing over the weekend, etc; but never an answer to my question; she even doesn't want to give me her last name or address.  Tel # and email are not permitted to be exchanged on this site.[/*]
  
• Girl from Novgorod:  Moved alone from Ukraine at the age 15 (I am already terrified!!).  Is this girl for real.  When I asked her address, she makes an excuse that she lives in a flat and she is embarrassed and then when I insisted, she disappears for 2 weeks and then suddenly writes back that if I really want the address, she is willing to provide one of her friend's address who lives in the city.  Meanwhile she lives with her girlfriend in her flat, unwilling to provide her own address.  Tel # and email are not obviously not permitted to be exchanged on this site.[/*]
  
• Girl from Odessa: (This is classic!!).  After a few emails she writes to me this:
  I know you men have much opportunity to show your feelings not only in words. But some of you prefer do it only by means of words, you don't know other "languages of love", or I am mistaken? I do believe I am mistaken in your case! And I hope you'll prove me this soon, won't you? Something you did already! And something… you are going, I guess!

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        So I send her flowers (please don't kill me).  Then I ask her address.        

        She emails:

What about my address, I would love to give it, but as you may know, it is forbidden for us to exchange any addresses until we meet each other. I hope you will understand, that it is not me, who don't want to give you the address, those are rules, but I hope it won't prevent our relation developing.

 

I reminded her that the addresses are permitted.  She writes me:

I wonder what do you need my adress for?

 

Meanwhile she also never gives me her last name, even after repeated request.:?

 

Guys, there are another handful of stories.[size=  ]Meanwhile most of these girls write all this emotional and all that stuff that I had it up to the neck.  All that doesn't mean anything to me anymore.  I wish they had left all these emotions out, so that I can trust them when coming from a real person.[/font]

 

So guys, I did not have a single positive experience.  I wonder are the odds of getting kicked in …; probably high in the 90's.  Are there really women in FSU who are genuinely looking for dating outside FSU; or is this whole thing a one big mess.  Even if there are, this process is not for the faint hearted.  Plus I don't make the kind of money some people make on this site.  Some of you have made numerous trips which requires lot of money and taking time off from work and also throwing yourself at the mercy of scammers in a foreign country with an unfamiliar language.  Plus I wonder how you communicated with your girl without knowing the language to at least see if you are compatible.

 

Thank you for you time.   Again my congratulations to all those guys who made it work; you deserve it.  And thanks to your partners from FSU, who still give hope to some of us that there are still women out there in FSU who are genuinely looking for love abroad.

 

Take care guys, Naïve.

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[size=PS:  ][/size]Football season is starting and I think I already need a break.[/font]
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[Elen]

You can't even guess how lucky you are:D

[BC]

Wow!.. a smart fish that didn't swallow hook, line and sinker just to get his guts jerked out.

Compliments.

[Bruno]

So guys, I did not have a single positive experience.  I wonder are the odds of getting kicked in …; probably high in the 90's.  Are there really women in FSU who are genuinely looking for dating outside FSU; or is this whole thing a one big mess.  Even if there are, this process is not for the faint hearted.  Plus I don't make the kind of money some people make on this site.  Some of you have made numerous trips which requires lot of money and taking time off from work and also throwing yourself at the mercy of scammers in a foreign country with an unfamiliar language.  Plus I wonder how you communicated with your girl without knowing the language to at least see if you are compatible.

0/5... not really lucky... but 5 woman, it is not a lot.... since my divorce, i have now almost write to 2000 woman, around 150 reply, 1 misluck meeting in Ukraine... next meeting in November, maybe in Belgium...

Now, what is 5 ladies... same localy, when you try date 5 woman, you can receive a negatif reply... but in your case, it seem that rule of agency have lead to problem... it seem that you wish the contact address from lady so your first work was to choice agency who allow it...

Yep, the process is expensive, ask a lot of time and you have a lot of  "hole" on your way to hapiness...

Language !!! Big thema... in a first time, you have translator who can help you... but if a girl show interest in a man, she will try learn his language... language is only one of the several problem that you can know...

You have try and you have no result... it is not a problem since it seem that you have stay with your two foot on the ground and keep the contact with the reality...

Good break and enjoy the football... maybe more pleasant and not so dangerous

 

[jb]

naive,

The first thing you need to do is change your screen name, you are not naive.

I would need to know a little bit about you before I'd offer any advice, but there are indeed lots of FSU women who are good wife material.  The problem is that there are also many of them who know P.T. Barnum was right, you seem to have a knack for picking 'em.  Five out of five on the first jump out of the gate may be a record.

The very first thing you must understand is that the girls in the FSU who have made the decision to move, also want very much to move up, not sideways or down, in lifestyle.  Don't even bother to write that first letter if you aren't prepared to deal with that issue.  (Read Clyde's thread for a primer)

You mentioned you live in a 1 bedroom flat, are you prepared to buy a house?  You also mentioned football season starting soon, are you prepared to give up watching any football games for the forseeable future?

Eastern European women are not for everybody, be careful of what you wish for, you might just get it.

[Shadow]

Welcome naieve,

I want to give my opinions on your search and experiences, as I think either I am the naieve one or you have some catching up to do on your ideas.

1. Girl from Belarus : Understand that if she can talk a few words of English it is more than the woman in the agency making her profile. You will need to develop an understanding for different sentence building in English, or learn Russian. The phone conversation might have been disrupted by her being nervous. Cost for internet cafe seem a bit high, but not very unrealistic.

2. Girl from Chelyabinsk. Here is where I am wondering what you are thinking. You are looking for a woman who genuinely wants to find love, and at the same time refusing her because she has a good life in Russia. Either you are not ready your self or you are after 'rescuing' someone. In both cases you should not be looking for a wife from the FSU.

3. Girl from Saratov. Dump her.

4. Girl from Novgorod. Disappearing for 2 weeks could be a vacation with another prospect. In many apartment buildings mailboxes are not safe, and she might not be telling her girlfried (or boyfriend ?) what is going on. She might be ready to be rescued.

5. Girl from Odessa. She is not asking for gifts. She wants to meet you, and is hinting at you making a visit. She will be thinking WTF he needs my address for.

I would think that at least 3 out of 5 are worth pursuing. Not a bad score. Perhaps you are looking for a different kind of woman, perhaps you have had too much information and feel the women do not respond to your schedule. The women you will be writing to are not looking for a business deal and will not behave like that. If you find one who does, that is when you really have to be worried.

 

[swindoom]

5 women in 5 weeks, does not sound like you are trying too hard. If your are serious it will cost you alot of money and time, it is not the easy option uninformed people seem to think. In the past eight months I have had four trips to Omsk in Siberia and paid for my now fiancee to visit England, before I started looking I ensured I had enough savings to fund several visits as if you are really looking for a FSU wife you will have to meet her at least once.

Not giving you there address and telephone number is very suspicious.

The language problem is no real problem, when I  first meet my fiancee, she spoke almost no English and my Russian was even worse but we worked at it and overcome this difficulty, a relationship with an FSU woman is like a relationship with any woman you have to work at it, it's not going to just happen.

My advice would be to save up some money first then start looking, visiting your lady shows you are both serious and genuine, plus it gives you a chance to experience Russian culture first hand.

[KenC]

naive,

Did you marry any of the last 5 AW you met?  I venture to guess, no.  Why would you think that any of the first 5 RW you send an email to would be "the one"?  My point is that this is a numbers game and a little luck doesn't hurt also.  You need to cast a much bigger net if you wish to continue.

Agencies do one thing important, IMO, and that is giving you a list of RW that might entertain the idea of relocating for the right man.  That is about all though.  Within that group you have a percentage that are scammers (even in the best agencies) and otherwise insincere women.  The insincere women may have listed their names out of curiousity or just may not really be willing to relocate for any man.  Add to those factors a percentage that may not be specifically interested in you and another group that may already have another guy that she is more interested in.  To top all this off, a big number of RW listed are already suspect that many AM write and never ever step foot in a fsu country.  (It has been said that as little as 5% of the men that write make the trip)

When all that is said and done, contacting 5 women seems like a pitiful effort to find the woman of your dreams.

KenC

[BC]

When all that is said and done, contacting 5 women seems like a pitiful effort to find the woman of your dreams.

Maybe naive is just not desperate enough, sees that the odds are not worth the effort and feels he has better chances elsewhere or by not doing anything - simply living a normal life confident that the right woman will cross his path.

Nothing pitiful or abnormal about that.

[KenC]

BC,

OK, maybe naive is naive to think he would have found true love in 5 emails.

KenC

[BC]

Ken,

Also possible.. considering the hype could he really be blamed for thinking this? After all there are tens of thousand traditional brides twiddling their thumbs waiting for him...

Whatta riot.

[naive]

Good Morning Guys/Gals,

Thanks for your replies and your helpful comments and criticism.  It does gives me an idea as to where I stand.  Now let me try to answer some of the issues raised and also ask members to clarify some things for me.

Elen wrote:

You can't even guess how lucky you are.

Elen, do you mean not pusuing any of the above girls and avoiding a sunami later on in my life or forgeting this whole idea of FSU women.

Bruno wrote:

0/5... not really lucky... but 5 woman, it is not a lot.... since my divorce, i have now almost write to 2000 woman, around 150 reply, 1 misluck meeting in Ukraine... next meeting in November, maybe in Belgium...


I wrote to about 15 altogether.  Did not mention others, the theme was along the same lines.  Bruno, you have written to 2000 women !!!  HOLY SMOKES !!! You sure are my hero at least in the dating world.  Good luck in your upcoming meeting.


Now, what is 5 ladies... same localy, when you try date 5 woman, you can receive a negatif reply... but in your case, it seem that rule of agency have lead to problem... it seem that you wish the contact address from lady so your first work was to choice agency who allow it...

Bruno, the agency does allow to exchange contact address.  I was kind of using it to see how serious the girl is and is she for real.  And to get a background check before I get more serious about one particular woman.


Language !!! Big thema... in a first time, you have translator who can help you... but if a girl show interest in a man, she will try learn his language... language is only one of the several problem that you can know...


Communication is mighty important for me, so initially it seems like a huge problem for me when I can't even talk to the girl.  I guess I can try to learn Russian, rather than expecting everything for the girl to do. 

jb wrote:

The first thing you need to do is change your screen name, you are not naive.


I am naive considering whatever little I read on this message board and other sources.


I would need to know a little bit about you before I'd offer any advice, but there are indeed lots of FSU women who are good wife material. The problem is that there are also many of them who know P.T. Barnum was right, you seem to have a knack for picking 'em. Five out of five on the first jump out of the gate may be a record.

The very first thing you must understand is that the girls in the FSU who have made the decision to move, also want very much to move up, not sideways or down, in lifestyle. Don't even bother to write that first letter if you aren't prepared to deal with that issue. (Read Clyde's thread for a primer)

You mentioned you live in a 1 bedroom flat, are you prepared to buy a house? You also mentioned football season starting soon, are you prepared to give up watching any football games for the forseeable future?


I am 40. The girls I have been communicating with were on the average mid-20's.  I have a stable job, I make 60K salary; with overtime 80-90K.  I live in SF bay area.  Yes I live in 1-bedroom; I wont know what I will do with extra space if I move into a bigger apartment.  I do think for many of FSUW, it will be moving up in lifestyle.  I would definitely move into a bigger apt when the time comes, but buying a decent house in this area would mean drowning myself into a huge mortgage (I am not sure it that is such a great idea IMO).  Buying a house in a couple of years is what I would like to do if I have company.  As per watching football, I recently moved from East coast, so I can't watch my favorite team anyway.

jb, it was good to know from you that there are many FSU women who are seriously looking for love abroad.  To judge my insticts regarding the 5 girls I mentioned, would you consider pursuing any one of them or would you say to stay the hell out.

Shadow wrote:

1. Girl from Belarus : Understand that if she can talk a few words of English it is more than the woman in the agency making her profile. You will need to develop an understanding for different sentence building in English, or learn Russian. The phone conversation might have been disrupted by her being nervous. Cost for internet cafe seem a bit high, but not very unrealistic.

$4-5/day = 120/month.  Ain't that too much, where people make on the avg $250/month.  Can someone educate us please.  Learing Russian seems like a good advice to me;  in all fairness to FSU women who are willing to leave everything and move into an unfamiliar world, that is probably the least one can do.  But that being said, she will have to learn the language, else risk social isolation.

2. Girl from Chelyabinsk. Here is where I am wondering what you are thinking. You are looking for a woman who genuinely wants to find love, and at the same time refusing her because she has a good life in Russia. Either you are not ready your self or you are after 'rescuing' someone. In both cases you should not be looking for a wife from the FSU.

This is a great point IMO, shadow.  I think I am ready but (to my embarrassment), I did have a notion of 'rescuing' someone.  I stand corrected and I will modify my approach.  My apologies to the russian members.  That being said, I do have a lot of respect for FSU women looking for love abroad; it is a lot of sacrifice and risk-taking on their part.

4. Girl from Novgorod. Disappearing for 2 weeks could be a vacation with another prospect. In many apartment buildings mailboxes are not safe, and she might not be telling her girlfried (or boyfriend ?) what is going on. She might be ready to be rescued.

5. Girl from Odessa. She is not asking for gifts. She wants to meet you, and is hinting at you making a visit. She will be thinking WTF he needs my address for.

Shadow, you are brutal, but eye-opener.  Sure you have a positive outlook on things and that is refreshing. 

Swindoon, thanks for your comments and advice.  I did actually communicated with ~15 women, which is still a drop in the bucket compared to some veterans here (Bruno is a hero).  I don't think money in reasonable amounts is an issue, time is.  You are right, it is not an easy option and uninformed people may be easily misled.  And to top it off, the press coverage is pathetic; as always they have no clue what they are talking about; only negativity.  I gather, it is a prudent thing to learn Russian; communication is a lot better and I have read somewhere in this messageboard that FSU women who do not know English may be less tainted (or at least higher chance of achieving success in the long run). I would appreciate opinion of other members on this. 

My advice would be to save up some money first then start looking, visiting your lady shows you are both serious and genuine, plus it gives you a chance to experience Russian culture first hand.

Here is stupid concern in my mind which I can't get rid off.  When you visit FSU, what do the locals perceive your visit as; do they look down upon you, indifferent or welcoming.  Is there a chance of getting framed into a legal nightmare.

KenC wrote:

Did you marry any of the last 5 AW you met?  I venture to guess, no. 

You are right, KenC.  I guess I'll be on a breathing machine if I did.


Agencies do one thing important, IMO, and that is giving you a list of RW that might entertain the idea of relocating for the right man.  That is about all though.  Within that group you have a percentage that are scammers (even in the best agencies) and otherwise insincere women.  The insincere women may have listed their names out of curiousity or just may not really be willing to relocate for any man.  Add to those factors a percentage that may not be specifically interested in you and another group that may already have another guy that she is more interested in.  To top all this off, a big number of RW listed are already suspect that many AM write and never ever step foot in a fsu country.  (It has been said that as little as 5% of the men that write make the trip)

You made excellent points and I appreciate it very much.

BC wrote:

Maybe naive is just not desperate enough, sees that the odds are not worth the effort and feels he has better chances elsewhere or by not doing anything - simply living a normal life confident that the right woman will cross his path.

Nothing pitiful or abnormal about that.


Thank you for your moral support, BC.  Your thoughts have crossed my mind frequently.

[KenC]

I always laugh about the guys that complain that finding a good woman in the fsu is difficult.  That is the exciting and fun part.  When the visa time is reached, it becomes a little more work than fun.  But the real hard part only comes after your lady arrives and you go through all the acclimation process.  So when does this all translate into "success"?  After you find a girl that will have you?  After you convince her to come to your country?  After you formalize your marriage?  After a year? Five years?  Ten?

KenC

[Photo Guy]

I like Ken's attitude here. Romance is supposed to be fun. It isn't supposed to be like buying a washing machine or taking a test, although there will be 'tests'.  ...Learn Russian, if you can. Can't hurt. I'm working on a 10 CD Pimsleur course (Barnes and Noble)

[BC]

Ken,

As much as I would like to think that love is for life in my experience it has not been that way. I consider all my marriages as successes that ended for one reason or the other. There is not one woman in my life that I couldn't sit down and have a coffe with and have a cheerful conversation. My only regret is that in one relationship there were children involved that were affected by the relationship that ended. Faults can to be found on both sides, but the decisions to end relationships can be as good as those to begin one. btw kids have done just fine.

I do believe though that as long as one learns something from past relationships it will usually be of value in the next.. if and only if one has the ability to find the faults within himself and can work on accepting and correcting those faults.

As with all my prior relationships/marriages it was a 'being there at the right place at the right time' thing.

I am happy that my relationship with a RW happened later in my life. Even though it is quite 'exciting and fun' travelling to a new country etc, it has been THE most challenging relationship I have ever experienced. Everything I have learned before about relationships, different cultures, mentalities, language etc are proving to be essential ingredients needed to keep ours alive and well.

If I had to define a point where a relationship could be considered a success I would say if you are still happy between your third and fourth year you're doing fine. We're not quite there yet, slightly shy of 3 years but still quite happy. Plans for a RU church wedding are still in the works.

[KenC]

Naive,

Finding the "right" woman for you is very much like finding that needle in the haystack.  Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't.  You may never find her either, no matter how diligently you look.  I found my "right one" just by luck and while I was not even consdiering getting married again.

I don't know why you guys make such a big deal out of this.  You just pick up the phone and call a girl, fall in love, eventually get married and then live happily ever after.  (Or for at least 6 years and counting) Geez  What's so hard about that?

KenC

(I did say luck could be a consideration too)

[BC]

LOL Ken, yeah a lot of luck..

It has been interesting over the years to watch some very dedicated RW seekers go back again and again and again looking for that perfect lady.

Seems either you get extremely lucky doing very little or bust your butt trying to do it right and end up with a very long search with no predictable outcome.

I worry most about those that fall in the middle of these two extremes.

[swindoom]

I understand about the time problem, I only have 25 days holiday a year and have already used them up with 3 months of the year left. I have met guys who spent two months with their lady but there is no way I could spend that sort of time with someone and still have a job, which is extremely important when you are going to sponser someones visa. My first visit to Omsk was just a long weekend, quite hard with all the travelling but gave me the opportunity to discover if the woman I was writing to was as fantastic as the woman I thought she was.

I can speak some Russian very badly but I understand quite alot, from listening to teach yourself Russian language tapes, it means I can help my fiancee with her English as she can say the word in Russian and I generally know the English equivalent.

From my experience of meeting my fiancee's friends it does appear that lots of western guys go for the easier option and only look for women who speak English well, this means if a woman has good English she will receive more letters. In Omsk where my fiancee is from it is rare to find anyone that speaks English and I think western men will be missing out as they are very special women.

I have always been made to feel very welcome when I have visited Omsk, especially the first time as it was at the beginning of February and extremely cold, I think I was one of the very few or even the only foriegner in the whole city. I have to admit my first trip to Omsk was very scary as I did not really know what to expect but what is life without taking risks, boring.

 

 

[Elen]

Naive I meant you're lucky if you've desided to escape such serpentarium like MOB business.

this toplic reminded me about a thread of the same kind from notorious ( among male's population of this board) site  http://forum.antidate.org/index.php?s=82f3d187013699d368b2a37b75490011&showtopic=1398

14 !!!!! pages with answeres for a first post of girl

Because of 5 unsuccessful contacts and meetings through Internet, which have not leaded to anything positive but only to neurosis, diffidence, inconceivable wasting of money and resources I stop these useless searches trough Internet. I shall hang like before on sites but for only catching freaks and put them in black lists.

 I do not understand, why they make such villainies to me. I do not think, that I'm myself such disgusting woman, that I deserve all those oathsome things those creatures make to me at personal meetings. At first they swear about eternal love, and then they wipe feets about me. I had everything to be loved and for to love sincerely by myself, but, obviously, I waste my time at the Earth. I'm in most magnificent and childbearing ages. And  I, such young interesting woman, am doomed to hear out scandals and other nasty things. Even avoiding all of them, nevertheless I suffered about variouse sorts of mockeries from such "comrades" as:
Arne Fagerstom Sweden
Giorgio Lupo Italy
Kichevsky Oleg Germany
� удюк Юрий Russia
Polyakov Andrew Germany.

I do not know, how others would behaved at my place, but as for me I have wasted all positive emotional potential and belief  in any "usefull" values of almost all males.
IF ONLY ONE MORE MALE CREATURE WOULD DARE TO OFFEND ME I DECLINE ALL RESPOSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.

 

It seems 5 is magic number:D ( well actullauy nothing to laugh about :?. Sad)

[jb]

Arne Fagerstom Sweden
Giorgio Lupo Italy
Kichevsky Oleg Germany
Рудюк Юрий Russia
Polyakov Andrew Germany.

(Bolding is mine)
Interesting, but I note a very distinct Russian flavor to three of the names listed, and none of the malfactors were from the USA.  

While it's true we have more than our fair share of misfits, geeks, and dorks, to the best of my knowledge we don't have any RW searcher on this board from Sweden, Italy, (BC lives in Italy, but he's an American), Russia, or Germany.  So would you please spare us the rantings of a hairbrained female who hasn't got sense enough to weed out the idiots at first glance.

That's the purpose of a board like this one, to give men the tools to sort out the wheat from the chaff at first glance.

[Elen]

Is such thing like to know how females feel themselves at bride market through internet NOT in a propouse of this site? Or do you think that American males are different to ALL other nations who are seeking wives in Russia and RW should weed all "idiots" from first glance just because they have other nationality than american?



To you inform the 7th post of this thread was right about Americans ( and there are 353 posts in that thread. That with Russian names of "idiots" just was the very first one)

Я вообще после первого знакомства с американцем забилась в угол и неделю плакала... Я ехала на встречу 5 часов по морозу -20, мне сказали-мной оченьинтересуются, неслась, как на крыльях, приехала-меня к нему допустили на 40 минут, а дальше они с переводчицей побежали на следующую встречу.... О, как я рыдала. На 2 года это дело прекратила. А потом опять- приезжайте, вас ждут. приехала-меня ждёт америкос, но мне забыли сказать, что он инвалид на 2 руки. пальцы постоянно согнутые. Так этот инвалид ко мне всю ночь приставал, а до этого я видела эго блокнотище, гда было около полутыщи телефонов наших дев! И вот так каждый следующий.... Ни один не соответствовал моим нормальным представлениям о нормальном хотя бы самце, я не говорю уже о мужчине. Тот метр с кепкой в прыжке, тот дед старый, тот на 15 лет обманул, тот подарок подарил-после встречи забирает, тот свою собаку любит, но она с рождения немытая,.....

Want a translation??? Think no because it's feeling of stupid female.

but THIS her conclusion should be interesting for you if you want to know who you are dealing with now after those girls have met with some of you ( Americans btw if it means such many to you JB)

Вот каждого перебрать-нормального не было! С ними общаться-смеху ради, а не брать их близко к сердцу и переживать. Я после первого иностранца( которог оплакала) больше ни разу ни из-за одного не расстраивалась, просто прикалывалась. Не пускай их в сердце, сделает предложение, поженитесь-тогда смотри на него как на человека, а до этого исторического момента они-никто, средство для путешествий, подарков( кому как повезёт).

 

[jb]

No, thank you, because I am able to read Russian I don't require your translation.

I still think the girl is displaying a certain desperation here. Her own dating skills are not up to the task of sorting out the fools from the real men.  She needs to be able to ignore the idiots and concentrate her attention on the good guys.

[Elen]

I strongly doubt you can UNDERSTAND it.

She needs to be able to ignore the idiots and concentrate her attention on the good guys.

like those who don't give a damn about her "story " and shut up each girl at this forum who try to show the opposite side of this business

[KenC]

Elen,

I cannot read Russian and would like to see a translation.

KenC

[Elen]

look I can't translate all 353 post  I shall do it only for that "blue" one

As for me after the first meeting with American man I hided in a corner and were crying a whole week... I was getting to meeting 5 hours at  -20C frost, I was told somebody was very interested in me, I was flying like on wings. I arrived, they allowed me 40 minutes with him, and they run farther with an interpreter to next meeting.... Oh, how I was sobbing. I stopped this business for 2 years .

  And then it was again "Come here, he is waiting for you". I've arrived - Americos waited me, but they forgot to tell me, that he was invalid for both hands. His fingers were constantly bent. And that invalid was sticking to me all night, and before Ive seen that note of his with about 1 500 telephone numbers of ours girls!!!

 And that was the same with each next man.... No one didn't fit my normal representations about normal even male, leave along normal man. That one was "a meter with a hat in a jump", that one was just old grandfather, that one lied on 15 years, that one has presented a gift  and took it away after meeting, that one loved his dog, but it was not washed since a birth .....

 Call to mind all of them - there was not even one normal man 

So dealing with  them should be just for laugh, instead of to take them close to heart and feel about them. After the first foreigner (who I have mourned) I was never upset with even one because I was simply " joking". Do not let them in your heart, Let at first he makes an offer and marry you - after then you may look at him like at man. Until this historical moment they are nobodies, just a tool for travels and gifts (depends on how lucky you are).

Well boys It's NOT MY words. It's just from girls' forum. Many girls felt for those two ones, many said they should change their viewes if they wanted to get a good man, there were some with the same hopeless feelings about this useless busines to find husband through Internet, there were optimists too ( but not too many as the forum was antidate :?)