FSUW are more materialistic than Western Women

[mark2353]

Well, Mr. ambach123 , I still can't figure out anything positive about why you even want to go, and why you would ever want to get married anyway. What do you want? Maybe you ought to sort that out first. I mean, the idea of being stingy at dinner with a girl who has spent her own little money on a train ride for several hours to meet you ... Man, that is repulsive. I'd say, "Honey, you can have all the lobster you want!" Have some respect, man. These are wonderful ladies. Why are you going? You shouldn't go. Truthfully, you need therapy first. You need to go to a good therapist and sort a lot of things out. Maybe you want a woman to be in your bed and clean your house, but these ladies want and deserve a husband, a relationship, love, and a happy marriage. You're just not ready for any of that.

I read the whole thread and most of the people politely are trying to tell you something! This gentlemen got to the bottom of it!
you are not ready! It is respect, trust! Weather you chose this lady over another. It really does not matter, you should have equal respect for that individual who gave you her time and $$$.
You really should stay home and count the money you saved!.
Mark

[Admin]

What ?  Are FSU women more "this or that", is it OK to do "this or that", should I go "here or there".  Instead of being over there, you're over here asking pointless questions on your PC.  Too afraid of the water to even stick your toe in.

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It's down right trivial these days to book a ticket and arrange to rent an apartment in Ukraine.  Not much more complicated than ordering a book from Amazon.  Just go, get the experience first hand.  However, I suspect this advice will fall on deaf ears.  Not because my words are untrue, but those who would listen are either too lazy or lack courage and the faith in their own ability, perhaps for good reason.  You know your limitations better than the rest of us.  If you can't even manage this part without a lot of "hand-holding" from someone, you'll definitely have problems with the rest of the adventure.

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Mark,

Your post is out of line. You can make your points without resorting to slinging insults and name-calling.

I am going to delete the offensive posts.

- Dan

[viking]

Krimster

I meant no offense. My bad as well. Just could not understand the difference. Happy to know that "Indian did not speak with forked tongue". (from old cowboy movie). I can now read your posts with a different mind set. Will now remove foot from mouth. 

[krimster]

Dan,
   You're right, thanks for the lesson in "correctness".  I sure wouldn't want to be responsible for HURTING SOMEONE'S FEELINGS.  Why, that would be reprehensible of me, thanks for the "intervention"....  As a consequence, I shall enroll myself in an on-line sensitivity training course, which does seem to be a requirement for posting here...

Viking, no apology needed...

[msmoby_ru]

If you, RW, have any wit and creativity, you can boost him to heights of success he may not have reached without you.   Now, wouldn't that be something to take pride in and a greater expression of his love for you and yours for him? 

Wise words, matey..and I hope I can give her the confidence to achieve things, too !

[ambach123]

Here is an email from someone who writes me almost every day.

Since an AW would never write such a letter to someone they never met, it is a new one for me. I copy and paste.

Certainly I would wish to be next you, to hold your hand, to look in your eyes and to wish  you only best... Can you believe me? I want to write  you a heap of lovely words but I shall stop now.. At first you are busy man and have no time for my female nonsenses:-)), secondly I do not want to press you by my emotions. So, I shall be patient, gradual and consecutive one.

It superb that in so short time you could lift your business, maybe you have applied huge efforts and your wit. I understand what means the success in work for you. God bless you every day!

Last time I try to improve my English. I have  Oxford practice Grammar, I like English but constantly I am surprised why one word has so much many meanings?

I can promise another... When someone will love me I shall love much more more...

Good night and see you soon.

Name Withheld

[LiveFromUkraine]

Here is an email from someone who writes me almost every day.

Since an AW would never write such a letter to someone they never met, it is a new one for me. I copy and paste.

Certainly I would wish to be next you, to hold your hand, to look in your eyes and to wish  you only best... Can you believe me? I want to write  you a heap of lovely words but I shall stop now.. At first you are busy man and have no time for my female nonsenses:-)), secondly I do not want to press you by my emotions. So, I shall be patient, gradual and consecutive one.

It superb that in so short time you could lift your business, maybe you have applied huge efforts and your wit. I understand what means the success in work for you. God bless you every day!

Last time I try to improve my English. I have  Oxford practice Grammar, I like English but constantly I am surprised why one word has so much many meanings?

I can promise another... When someone will love me I shall love much more more...

Good night and see you soon.

Name Withheld

First glance I would say to wait for the money letter.  I think it is a scam.  It seems you may be talking to a man and not a woman.  Does that make this FSU men are more materialistic then western women?   


Thomas

[Shadow]

It's not Fat Yuri, but written with a dictionary as help.
One question to you, are you religious ? The 'God bless you' seems a bit out of place for UW, without knowing your background or what you look for this could be an 'orange flag', as usually religion is more private.

[ambach123]

For whatever it is worth, she is 29, has a University degree and lives in a town few hundred KM from Kiev. Quite an attractive young woman.

She is coming to see me in Kiev on her own dime, we cleared that up early on.

I am somewhat religious, she asked me, I told her that I attend services most Sundays. She also goes to church on a regular basis, so we have something in common.

[Blues Fairy]

Here is an email from someone who writes me almost every day.

Flattery is indeed an irresistible weapon. 

[Kuna]

Here is an email from someone who writes me almost every day.

Since an AW would never write such a letter to someone they never met, it is a new one for me. I copy and paste.

Certainly I would wish to be next you, to hold your hand, to look in your eyes and to wish  you only best... Can you believe me? I want to write  you a heap of lovely words but I shall stop now.. At first you are busy man and have no time for my female nonsenses:-)), secondly I do not want to press you by my emotions. So, I shall be patient, gradual and consecutive one.

It superb that in so short time you could lift your business, maybe you have applied huge efforts and your wit. I understand what means the success in work for you. God bless you every day!

Last time I try to improve my English. I have  Oxford practice Grammar, I like English but constantly I am surprised why one word has so much many meanings?

I can promise another... When someone will love me I shall love much more more...

Good night and see you soon.

Name Withheld

I agree with Thomas.  There's a high probability is a man because I can't imagine a GOOD FSUW writing stuff like that.

What I don't understand is why someone can't see that real people don't write that way, and why they would be wasting their time by writing back every day?

Maybe the fantasy makes them think this could be real, maybe a bit of loneliness drives them forward.  Who knows? 



ambach,  her responses to your bragging about your business is a nice touch too.  You won't believe us but a good FSUW will look at you negatively for talking about such things.

I think you're eons away from success because you just don't understand women, or these women. You'll need to rely on luck because it appears you're doing little to improve your chances of success so far through the process you set.

I don't think it's so much that you're using bad advice (Jack) I think the bigger problem is you don't understand what you're dealing with and you're dreadfully ill-equipped for this journey.

Keep posting...  something may click within - but as someone said before I think you should reconsider AW because some men are just not meant to be with FSUW.

For whatever it is worth, she is 29, has a University degree and lives in a town few hundred KM from Kiev. Quite an attractive young woman.

She is coming to see me in Kiev on her own dime, we cleared that up early on.

I am somewhat religious, she asked me, I told her that I attend services most Sundays. She also goes to church on a regular basis, so we have something in common.

and to make my point...  how funny is that?   

[ScottinCrimea]

Here is an email from someone who writes me almost every day.

Since an AW would never write such a letter to someone they never met, it is a new one for me. I copy and paste.

Most RW would also never write such a letter to someone they never met

Certainly I would wish to be next you, to hold your hand, to look in your eyes and to wish  you only best... Can you believe me? I want to write  you a heap of lovely words but I shall stop now.. At first you are busy man and have no time for my female nonsenses:-)), secondly I do not want to press you by my emotions. So, I shall be patient, gradual and consecutive one.

It superb that in so short time you could lift your business, maybe you have applied huge efforts and your wit. I understand what means the success in work for you. God bless you every day!

Interesting that the only issue she deals with specifically in this letter relates to your claimed business success.  No other aspect of your activities, personality or character is mentioned

Last time I try to improve my English. I have  Oxford practice Grammar, I like English but constantly I am surprised why one word has so much many meanings?

I can promise another... When someone will love me I shall love much more more...

Good night and see you soon.

Name Withheld

[ScottinCrimea]

For whatever it is worth, she is 29, has a University degree and lives in a town few hundred KM from Kiev. Quite an attractive young woman.

I'm sure you're not aware of this but a university degree means something much different than it does here.  More important are what university, what degree and what type of work she does, since quite often their degree and what they do to earn a living are totally unrelated.

She is coming to see me in Kiev on her own dime, we cleared that up early on.

I would have loved to listen in on that conversation!

I am somewhat religious, she asked me, I told her that I attend services most Sundays. She also goes to church on a regular basis, so we have something in common.

Actually quite the opposite may be true, depending on your religion and hers.  She may be a strict Pentecostal for whom regular church services mean a minimum of weekly and much more in regards religious expectations, or she may be a member of the Orthodox church for whom regular attendance means on the "required" holidays only. (Not to offend anyone here with my simplification, just trying to make a point).

[viking]

Ask her if her diploma is blue or red. That should be an interesting discussion. A woman I know has a son who is 18 and just graduated "university". That's high school in my book. Another woman I know has  degree in geology and another in psychology but sells high end tin soldiers on the internet. So, yes..there are differences.

[Misha]

Ask her if her diploma is blue or red. That should be an interesting discussion.

Most students don't graduate with a red diploma, any more than most American university students don't graduate with one of the "cum laude" distinctions.

A woman I know has a son who is 18 and just graduated "university". That's high school in my book.

Russian students usually graduate high school when they are 17 and then they studied for 5 years to get their university diploma [now, it has been reformed and they will be getting 4-year bachelor's degrees.] This is comparable to  an American student graduating from university.

Another woman I know has  degree in geology and another in psychology but sells high end tin soldiers on the internet. So, yes..there are differences.

Yes, a university degree does not guarantee a great job immediately. The same is true in the United States.

[GreginGa]

Ambach123

Have you actually talked to any of these women on the telephone?

[ambach123]

Greg I have talked to all of them on the phone, some several times.

Rest assured I know the first Commandment; none of them would get any money from me until I meet them, at least not in this lifetime, and I tell them in so many words, from the get go.

About half of these 20 or so women are from areas other than Kiev and they are paying their own way to see me.

[ScottinCrimea]

So your conversations consist of how successful you are monetarily and that you will NEVER send them money and they must pay their own way when they come to meet you, and that the meeting will consist of an "interview" over coffee because you refuse to cough up enough for dinner for them.  It all sounds very romantic to me.

Knowing what RW think of men who are greedy (You need to have a very clear understanding of what that term means to a RW) I'm surprised that anyone is still talking to you.  It will be interesting to see how many of these women from outside Kiev actually show up.

[Ooooops]

A woman I know has a son who is 18 and just graduated "university". That's high school in my book.

There has been lots of renaming in post-USSR educational institutes - schools became gymnasiums (again ), institutes became academies etc.   So may be there is just "lost in translation" miscommunication in your case? 

[Ooooops]

Well, paying their way to meet is nothing wrong in my opinion.   Paying my way to meet over cup of coffee in the line up of 20 - that's what I find extremely wrong and would never do unless I was totally desperate. 

[Pike]

A woman I know has a son who is 18 and just graduated "university". That's high school in my book.

There has been lots of renaming in post-USSR educational institutes - schools became gymnasiums (again ), institutes became academies etc.   So may be there is just "lost in translation" miscommunication in your case? 

Regardless of any 'renaming' it is safe to say that the 18 year old son did not graduate from 'university.'

Unless he was one of the 1 in 10,000 geniuses that come along periodically.

[Ooooops]

Regardless of any 'renaming' it is safe to say that the 18 year old son did not graduate from 'university.'

Some schools are now called colleges in Russia.   College... university... close enough.   

[Shadow]

For whatever it is worth, she is 29, has a University degree and lives in a town few hundred KM from Kiev. Quite an attractive young woman.

She is coming to see me in Kiev on her own dime, we cleared that up early on.

I am somewhat religious, she asked me, I told her that I attend services most Sundays. She also goes to church on a regular basis, so we have something in common.

So she is coming on her dime to Kiev. Does she know she will land in a line-up of 20 women over coffee ?
Regarding the religious talk, fair enough.... the message is aimed very carefully to make you think of her, and it seems to work. Does she write about how she can not afford things she would like ?

[msmoby_ru]

Ooooops ... LOL !! Really, I've never seen my wife wear flip-flops. Nor have I ever seen any of her FSUW friends here wear them. Never ever.

Come over to Cyprus, there's 15K+ FSU women around, within 50miles,  who'll blow this assertion CLEAN out of the water... they can be awfully trendy - and expensive these  "flip flops"

[ambach123]

Meetings for coffee is recommended by several agencies and JB; the reason you can cut it short or prolong it if you need to.
I don't give any financial inormation about me, other than a link to my business website.

Entrepreneurs have an appeal which is universal, it is not just money, we create things.

Here is another letter, I have not responded to. This is after a telephone conversation in which I offered to pay $100 or more for an apartment. She is from Kiev and good English.

hello !

nice to talk with you.

and nice to know you making travel plans to Kiev the end of September and will stay for ten days.

i will reserv for you nice mdern apartment in centre city at centre street for not so expensive price. you not pay 100$ I will find for you for about 50$

if you like i can meet you in airport and show you my city on your trip.

Kiev very warm now and for weekand i will go to see area

have a nice weekand!

Name Withheld.

At least she does not want me to spend too much of my money; good quality.