A letter to Ambach123

[GreginGa]

Man I'm really starting to have my doubts man. You've managed to piss off the majority here because you come across as a know it all,but in reality you do not have a clue. In the beginning I sent you a PM  and email and offered to help you since we were going to be in Kiev at the same time. Not that you ever asked for any help or wanted my help,but because I'm a nice guy. You never had the courtesy to reply back by the way. I personally dont ever see you getting on that plane and if you do it will not be successful. You had the opportunity to come here and learn some very valuable information about this process. About 99% of these fellows have been there and done that. Those guys at those agencies will be more than happy to take your money and we all know by now you have plenty and send you on a date with any girl in their catalog along with a translator. And while you're sitting there smiling and thinking you're doing something special, they will be smiling and talking about what a dumb fock you actually are. I'm not saying you can reinvent yourself or your attitude,but you really need to think about approaching this and the people here a little differently. Most of these guys will be your eye in the sky if you allow them and respect them. I'm just saying dude it aint looking good right about now.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Greg, don't get discouraged.  He doesn't want help.  Just help the people that really want it.  Ambach has his mind made up and let him go about it.  I don't think he is the right man for this undertaking.  I could be wrong about that but only time will tell. 



Thomas

[ambach123]

Thanks for your concern.

At this time I am communicating with two or three women who seem to be very interested, and write often as well as we talk on the phone. None of them came from any agency. As I have learned here, their interest in me must exceed that of mine in them and it does. All of this in a few months.

Not surprisingly, they come from small towns, not Kiev, relatively conservative and religious girls, and I am ok with that. They struggle with English, while the Kiev girls speak good English. Nonetheless I know some of these girls in Kiev are professional daters and there are many men asking for their hands.

What will become of it, time will tell, but I anticipate that eventually I would select one of them and bring her to USA by the time the year is out.

[GreginGa]

I'm holding out hope for you big guy. I wish you all the best in life and love. You still have time.

[Gator]

What will become of it, time will tell, but I anticipate that eventually I would select one of them and bring her to USA by the time the year is out.

Sounds as if your list is becoming smaller in number.  There is a natural filtering system.

Three UW from the provinces is enough with some Kiev women for backup.

You now need to research what is required to obtain a student visa or a fiancee visa before you set unrealistic goals.

[Shadow]

Not surprisingly, they come from small towns, not Kiev, relatively conservative and religious girls, and I am ok with that. They struggle with English, while the Kiev girls speak good English. Nonetheless I know some of these girls in Kiev are professional daters and there are many men asking for their hands.

Ambach, I have already mentioned some caution regarding religion. Coming from a long time communist background, religion in the FSU might be winning some ground but it is not expected to be found everywhere. My partner is involved in several discussion forums regarding religion, which is why I have some knowledge in this area.
Especially if they seem to follow American Christian habits, caution is needed. I will not go in to full details, as not to get on to terrains that might be too personal, but I invite you to exchange some PM's if you wish more information on this subject.

[Blues Fairy]

They struggle with English, while the Kiev girls speak good English. Nonetheless I know some of these girls in Kiev are professional daters and there are many men asking for their hands.

May I ask what proof you have of these girls being professional daters, apart from their Kiev residency and good English skills?

[GreginGa]

May I ask what proof you have of these girls being professional daters, apart from their Kiev residency and good English skills?

I think the fact that the Maitre'De at Marche,Soho and The DeVinci Fish Club knows most of these girls on a first name basis. That would be my first guess at them being pro daters. That and the really hot ones that sell a lot of addresses have been on the first 2 pages of agencies web page for years would probably be another dead give away. Then again thats just me with an opinion and first hand knowledge from watching guys spend hundreds thinking thats what they are supposed to be doing.

[Ooooops]

I think the fact that the Maitre'De at Marche,Soho and The DeVinci Fish Club knows most of these girls on a first name basis. That would be my first guess at them being pro daters.

So your guess is that the only way those girls can afford Marche (it's not that expensive, just a buffet style eatery), Soho and The DeVinci Fish Club (don't know anything about those) is to milk some foreigner?

[GreginGa]

For the most part absolutely. I dont remember Marche being a buffet.As a matter of fact I've never witnessed a buffet in Ukraine.

[Kuna]

For the most part absolutely. I dont remember Marche being a buffet.As a matter of fact I've never witnessed a buffet in Ukraine.

Forgive the spelling... but...  Pozata Huta is a great Ukrainian buffet.  I believe there's a few around but the one we went to is in MOCT shopping centre in Dnepropetrovsk...

Mmmmmmmmm..........  *in my best Homer impression*

[Ooooops]

I dont remember Marche being a buffet.

I've never been to Marche in Kiev, but what I remember about that chain in Singapore - is is kind of  food court/buffet.    But my point is - it's not too expensive even on a local salary. 

[ambach123]

One thing I have learnt, especially from the sad experiences of two others here; that the lady must be into me, if she is not totally interested in me, I would take a pass. And if I can't find such a woman in FSU, I would move on, and would not be on this board.

It may not always be possible to make a clear judgment but there are signs to look for.

I have found two women who seem to be very interested.  I posted an email from one of them in another thread. They both write almost every day, we talk on the phone often. They make efforts in communicating with the limited English knowledge they have. They live in the provinces, but are going to pay their own way to see me in Kiev. I may reimburse them for their expenses. They both are school teachers.

If all works well, I will go again, and then file for K-1; I assume that is  a relatively simple process, it takes 60- 90 days in the East Coast.

Shadow, I appreciate your comments, I am no religious fanatic, but I am not an atheist either; and I would have difficulty living with someone who is an atheist.

With regard to the Kiev girls, I have had difficulty communicating with them, their letters are short and basically state " Call me when you are in town, we will meet ".
It is my impression that Kiev attracts a lof of Western Men, mostly from Europe, so these girls are used to WM going after them. They speak good English, they can  try to connect but they choose not to, at least not until they have met with the man.

[GreginGa]

Forgive the spelling... but...  Pozata Huta is a great Ukrainian buffet.  I believe there's a few around but the one we went to is in MOCT shopping centre in Dnepropetrovsk...

Mmmmmmmmm..........  *in my best Homer impression*

Kuna is this joint an "all you can eat buffet"? When Americans think of a buffet thats what comes to mind. I know there are places all over where the food is in front of you and you just pick what you want. My idea of a buffet is where you can go back and forth as much as you want. I know I've never saw one of those in Ukraine.

[GreginGa]

I've never been to Marche in Kiev, but what I remember about that chain in Singapore - is is kind of  food court/buffet.    But my point is - it's not too expensive even on a local salary. 

I'm certainly not going to get into a pissing contest about how expensive or inexpensive a restaurant is,but being since I have eaten there and you havent and know that you can go to google and type in Marche/Kiev and see a year ago  that their business lunch starts @ 69 grivna and while that is not the most expensive business lunch in that fare city it is certainly in the top 5%. Their dinners are certainly not cheap as well. That place is certainly decked out and the ambiance is great. The only problem is you're going to easily drop $100 for dinner.

[Kuna]

Kuna is this joint an "all you can eat buffet"? When Americans think of a buffet thats what comes to mind. I know there are places all over where the food is in front of you and you just pick what you want. My idea of a buffet is where you can go back and forth as much as you want. I know I've never saw one of those in Ukraine.

Greg,

No, you're right, it's not a feeding trough.  I'd classify it as a Ukrainian style buffet where you walk along and pick out small portions of what you'd like to eat.

I know the style of American buffet you're referring to and I've not seen one like that in UKR either.

Kuna

[viking]

Ambach

Filing is not a simple process nor inexpensive and it will take, on average from start to finish, (you file, she arrives) about 6 months. And there is a lot more after the fact.

[GreginGa]

Greg,

No, you're right, it's not a feeding trough.  I'd classify it as a Ukrainian style buffet where you walk along and pick out small portions of what you'd like to eat.

I know the style of American buffet you're referring to and I've not seen one like that in UKR either.

Kuna

Feeding trough.LOL Now thats funny and you're exactly right. Therefore the reason so many guys get on a plane to where they dont have those things. There is a very good Ukrainian style buffet on Khreshatic opposite end of Independence  across the street from Marche . It's run my Middle Eastern guys and the food is good and very reasonable. Now my favorite dive in all of Kiev is across the street from Obriens. It's a great little non smoking hole in the wall that serves  good cheap pelmeenees and beer.

[Ooooops]

I'm certainly not going to get into a pissing contest

I'm sure that your's longer   

The only problem is you're going to easily drop $100 for dinner.

Then we are talking about different restaurants.   

[Blues Fairy]

With regard to the Kiev girls, I have had difficulty communicating with them, their letters are short and basically state " Call me when you are in town, we will meet ".
It is my impression that Kiev attracts a lof of Western Men, mostly from Europe, so these girls are used to WM going after them. They speak good English, they can  try to connect but they choose not to, at least not until they have met with the man.

And you call them professional daters based on just that?? :hairraising:

[msmoby_ru]

May I ask what proof you have of these girls being professional daters, apart from their Kiev residency and good English skills?

It been said before, but it still seems strange to me that Ambach123 keeps asking advice, then offers conclusions / advice himself- yet he says he's not BEEN to any FSU country, yet...

Aslo, ladies, in this case Blues Fairy have replied to his comments at least twice, and I note he didn't respond.

Ambach123 - do you know what a "TROLL" is in internet terms ... ?

You seem to post like a FSU "scammer" might .. multiple posts / letters - but rarely replying or replying seemingly, as if you just don't read ....

I don't think I'm the first to post such a conclusion...

Now, I'm relatively new here, and I've ruffled a few feathers, myself, but could you try and show me why I could be wrong ?

[ambach123]

msmoby; I see no obligation to respond to any questions.
I respond to those who I think I should respond to, the others I ignore. I don't have any desire to get involved in arguments with people who are complete strangers to me. I read from other people's experience and make my own inferences. I have and will modify my plans pursuant to some of the experiences that I have read here.

I don't have any desire to pick up a fight with you or anyone else.

By the way, the mods also suggest using the ignore button, you should use it too. You see something that you don't like, move on. It would be very peaceful for everyone.

[Kuna]

msmoby; I see no obligation to respond to any questions.
I respond to those who I think I should respond to, the others I ignore. I don't have any desire to get involved in arguments with people who are complete strangers to me. I read from other people's experience and make my own inferences. I have and will modify my plans pursuant to some of the experiences that I have read here.

I don't have any desire to pick up a fight with you or anyone else.

By the way, the mods also suggest using the ignore button, you should use it too. You see something that you don't like, move on. It would be very peaceful for everyone.

The only problem with the Ignore button is that when a "newbie without a clue" gives advice,  we wouldn't see such idiotic advice.

Like msmoby, I've wondered if you're a troll because some of your comments are too idiotic to be innocent errors.

Who knows though, there are a lot of idiots that have actually got off their butts and traveled to FSU - you haven't even done that yet!

I think most of us are still giving you the benefit of doubt.  Maybe you just have very poor social skills as this would explain a lot.

With regard to the Kiev girls, I have had difficulty communicating with them, their letters are short and basically state " Call me when you are in town, we will meet ".
It is my impression that Kiev attracts a lof of Western Men, mostly from Europe, so these girls are used to WM going after them. They speak good English, they can  try to connect but they choose not to, at least not until they have met with the man.

IMHO this is a good approach for you ambach.  Congrats on working it out.

You may be more successful if you date women that can't compare you to other men...  be aware though that any deficiencies you have will be exposed after they arrive in the USA.

The most important thing for you to realise is that the GOOD FSUW are NOT desperate to leave because they have real life options at home.  One might hope you'd find someone NOT desperate and someone who ultimately loves you fr your fabulous character.

If you position yourself with girls who have less options in life you may actually just be chasing girls who may be more desperate.

It's a fine balance...  but a curious choice.

Another member here specifically targeted "village girls" because he couldn't find anyone young enough in the major centres who's accept him.  He's married and as unpalatable as it is he certainly found what he wanted.

[steviej]

This ambach fellow sounds like he's shopping for lawn mowers on eBay !

So many of the "newbies" here, even with their insane plans and views on things sometimes, and naive plans, still come across as a genuine man with a place and passion in his heart for a real woman - a woman he wants to love and share his life with. This guy - no such vibe.

[steviej]

... I'd classify it as a Ukrainian style buffet where you walk along and pick out small portions of what you'd like to eat.

Off topic a bit:
When we were in Kiev, we went many times to this place which is called, translated I think, as "Big Belly", something like that. I just loved that place - couldn't stop going. Anybody been there?