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Mail Order Bride Survey
« on: July 15, 2008, 12:27:12 PM »
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International Relations and GoodWife

Press Release July 15, 2008

MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT!

International Relations and GoodWife.com announce the most important new initiative since IMBRA. To put to rest many of the nagging and unanswered questions raised by various feminist organizations, and others with ignorant or malicious agendas, the first comprehensive Mail Order Bride Survey is now available to address issues of Cross-Cultural Marriage and Divorce. The online URL where the survey may be found is here -- http://www.goodwife.com/survey/index.php?sid=24353〈=en

Construction of the Survey

While the survey requires only 15 minutes to complete the questions, the survey design required several months of meticulous attention and re-design. It involved professional researchers from three universities - Depaul, Georgia State University, and Notre Dame, as well as review by several notable immigration attorneys and others active in the field of international dating and marriage. Do not be fooled by the economy of questions. With only 20 questions, we will be able to address issues such as:

  • Divorce rate of cross-cultural marriages.
  • Top 'N' causes of divorce in cross-cultural marriages
  • Age difference contribution to divorce rate
  • Education level influence on divorce rate
  • Income level influence on divorce rate
  • Influence of children of a former marriage on divorce rate
  • Influence of youth on divorce rate (if younger when married, it increases divorce rate - maybe)
  • Mean, Median, Mode of length of cross-cultural marriages that fail
  • Influence of short courtship on divorce
  • Influence of IMB on divorce rate
  • Many other answers

The 'End Game'

The target number of valid responses is 5,000. It is expected that we will need to disqualify some percentage of responses, hence, we are seeking a population of at least 6,500 responses to achieve a target of 5,000 valid responses.

Once we have received the necessary number of valid responses, we will engage a third-party to certify the overall survey results as valid. Upon completion of the validated results, a final report will be released.

If you have any questions, please visit our Frequently Asked Questions page, and visit us at RussianWomenDiscussion.com or Planet-Love.com where I will be posting this announcement and fielding questions from our members.

Copyright (C) 2008 International Relations All rights reserved.
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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 12:41:05 PM »
My first qualm: the survey requires that I provide my first name, last name and e-mail. I would prefer to remain anonymous. Is my anonymity guaranteed?

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 12:45:38 PM »
My first qualm: the survey requires that I provide my first name, last name and e-mail. I would prefer to remain anonymous. Is my anonymity guaranteed?

Yes, anonymity is assured. I believe it even states that in the welcome text. The email is so that a 'token' can be passed to insure valid results. One of the concerns is that we want to prevent as much obvious abuse of the survey as possible - for instance, someone taking the survey repeatedly.

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 12:59:59 PM »
A security code box was present when registering.  I just left it blank, received the register confirmation email and completed the survey successfully.

Right after hitting the submit button when registering, saw the following error at the top of the page:

Notice: Undefined index: secanswer in /home/goodwife/public_html/survey/register.php on line 51

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 01:03:26 PM »
A security code box was present when registering.  I just left it blank, received the register confirmation email and completed the survey successfully.

Right after hitting the submit button when registering, saw the following error at the top of the page:

Notice: Undefined index: secanswer in /home/goodwife/public_html/survey/register.php on line 51

Using Firefox 3.0.1 for linux (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008071222 Firefox/3.0.1)



Looking into it.

Thanks for the notice.

Till now, we were always working with the survey in 'inactive' mode. Seems a few 'bugs' now that it is 'live'.

- Dan

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 03:02:33 PM »
I am surprised that professional researchers from universities as well as immigration attorneys could not come up with any better title for this survey than the humiliating Mail Order Bride.   :thumbsdown:

Why could not they name this survey as Cross-Cultural Marriages Survey?
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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 03:11:29 PM »
I am surprised that professional researchers from universities as well as immigration attorneys could not come up with any better title for this survey than the humiliating Mail Order Bride.   :thumbsdown:

Why could not they name this survey as Cross-Cultural Marriages Survey?

That is a VERY good question - and one I just answered in an email. Here is my reply:

I am certain the title and use of MOB term will incite some. They need to understand that, to be effective, this survey MUST collect a very large number of respondents. To accomplish THAT, we need the widest possible coverage - and to accomplish THAT, the MOB is the best term to use. More BTW - I would also like to incite the feminazi crowd to jump all over this. Bottom line is - we need respondents - a LOT of them. With enough, there is no way any one group can manipulate the results - and that is the objectivity I seek.

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 03:34:38 PM »
A Hardcopy of the survey is attached to this message. It may be downloaded and completed manually, then faxed in to record results.

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 06:42:29 PM »
I for one would like to thank Dan for all his efforts in putting together the most comprehensive survey possible.  I have an idea of how much work and thought you put into this and I hope you get your anticipated results.  It is high time someone puts together some data that has some sense of respectability on the subject.  Great job Dan!!!!!!!!!!!
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Now people, fill out these surveys!!!!!!!!!!!!  Dan needs numbers to make this thing valid!
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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 07:04:22 PM »
One comment: question A010 asks whether we were married previously to someone from our culture. What if a person married twice and both times were cross-cultural?

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 07:12:32 PM »
One comment: question A010 asks whether we were married previously to someone from our culture. What if a person married twice and both times were cross-cultural?

The survey asks for the one marriage that resulted in immigration to a new country. If *both* marriages resulted in immigration, then it is up to the respondent to select one.

Yeah - there are bound to be a few percent of highly-unusual cases. The best we can do is strive to capture the vast majority of more 'normal' situations.

Thanks for asking the question.

And keep 'em coming. Ya know, it is just possible we managed to overlook some critical element that would undermine our efforts. Best to catch it now, than after a few weeks go by and a few thousand responses are invalidated.

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2008, 08:48:35 AM »
My first qualm: the survey requires that I provide my first name, last name and e-mail. I would prefer to remain anonymous. Is my anonymity guaranteed?

Misha,

Here is the notice from the survey tool that assures anonymity:

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A Note On Privacy
This survey is anonymous.
The record kept of your survey responses does not contain any identifying information about you unless a specific question in the survey has asked for this. If you have responded to a survey that used an identifying token to allow you to access the survey, you can rest assured that the identifying token is not kept with your responses. It is managed in a separate database, and will only be updated to indicate that you have (or haven't) completed this survey. There is no way of matching identification tokens with survey responses in this survey.

HOWEVER - people taking the survey will not see this notice until they complete the survey and are ready to submit their answers to the database. I agree that it would be best if this notice were moved to the start of taking the survey - to allay any concerns at the outset.

- Dan

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2008, 08:53:25 AM »
A security code box was present when registering.  I just left it blank, received the register confirmation email and completed the survey successfully.

Right after hitting the submit button when registering, saw the following error at the top of the page:

Notice: Undefined index: secanswer in /home/goodwife/public_html/survey/register.php on line 51

Using Firefox 3.0.1 for linux (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008071222 Firefox/3.0.1)

BC,

From the token list (see previous post), I can see those who have completed the survey, and those who have not. It seems that, in spite of the message you received, the system accepted your entries and you successfully completed the survey.

We now have more than 80 completed surveys from more than 100 people who are registered, and I have one other report of an error. Largely, the tool seems to be working well.

Just FYI.

- Dan


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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2008, 10:36:52 AM »
I have filled the survey, but I see that the option that is available in some countries to live together without marriage is not included.
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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2008, 10:58:54 AM »
I have filled the survey, but I see that the option that is available in some countries to live together without marriage is not included.


True statement. Since the focus of the survey is on Marriage and Divorce, it follows that those 'events' are necessary for the results to be valid.

By that I mean - since one of our principal objectives was to generate data/stats about divorce rate, the person needs to be married first to then later be divorced (or not). In those countries where living together is possible, if the couple decided to split, there is (presumably) no formal divorce proceeding and likely that the traumas (and stigmas) of divorce are not attached to the break-up - at least, not to the same extent.

Anyway - that was the thinking.

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2008, 11:24:58 AM »
True statement. Since the focus of the survey is on Marriage and Divorce, it follows that those 'events' are necessary for the results to be valid.

By that I mean - since one of our principal objectives was to generate data/stats about divorce rate, the person needs to be married first to then later be divorced (or not). In those countries where living together is possible, if the couple decided to split, there is (presumably) no formal divorce proceeding and likely that the traumas (and stigmas) of divorce are not attached to the break-up - at least, not to the same extent.

Anyway - that was the thinking.

- Dan
As under Dutch law there is an equality between married and non-married in laws, apart from some financial support the full traumas might apply. A non-married couple has the status of a married couple, and all assets gained during the time of living together are common, unless otherwise registered.  Only the financial support of the ex-partner has less hooks than the ex-spouse.
However as it will be compared to the majority of the survey an odd-case, I see no problem in your thinking.

I hope that your definition of an IMB included dating sites without extended services on purpose. Sites like bride.ru are marriage brokers in a way that they provide a platform for meeting and communications, and there for anyone using such sites should reply YES to using an IMB.
In general this is a deviation from the common practice where dating sites are not seen as agency. However I do agree with the definition.
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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2008, 11:54:56 AM »
As under Dutch law there is an equality between married and non-married in laws, apart from some financial support the full traumas might apply. A non-married couple has the status of a married couple, and all assets gained during the time of living together are common, unless otherwise registered.  Only the financial support of the ex-partner has less hooks than the ex-spouse.
However as it will be compared to the majority of the survey an odd-case, I see no problem in your thinking.

I hope that your definition of an IMB included dating sites without extended services on purpose. Sites like bride.ru are marriage brokers in a way that they provide a platform for meeting and communications, and there for anyone using such sites should reply YES to using an IMB.
In general this is a deviation from the common practice where dating sites are not seen as agency. However I do agree with the definition.

I think if the couple lives in a jurisdiction where laws allow informal unions, then it is up to them to determine the dates of comparable events of 'marriage' and 'divorce'.

As for definition of IMB, as I recall, we took the exact definition from either IMBRA, or one of the legal proceedings that have challenged IMBRA. I'll go back and find the specific citation, but it was intentional that we used a definition created by others.

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2008, 04:46:54 PM »
A quick status report.

Slightly more than 24 hours after I posted the survey notice here at RWD and PL - and a bit less than 24 hours after an email announcement was sent - we have at the moment 121 survey responses.

There is a press release scheduled in a few hours that is likely to not have an immediate effect, but will build momentum over a few weeks.

We are underway.

Thanks to those already completing the survey - and to anyone not yet taking it - PLEASE spend the 15 minutes (or less) required to add your survey to the database.

Finally, an appeal - PLEASE send the survey URL (webpage) to anyone and everyone you know. If you have groups that gather in your area, please make sure THEY all know about this - call them, write them, do whatever. Please take a few minutes to urge your friends/colleagues/partners/associates - anyone that fits the demographic we seek to complete the survey.

- Dan

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2008, 02:40:50 PM »
Dan I think I understand the rationale for calling it "Mail Order Bride" survey, because that's the banner that feminists use to attack international marriages. So, they say, "mail order bride" is abusive, trafficking, etc. Then this will reveal the truth that "Mail order bride" is predominately consenting adults establishing good relations. Probably as stable overall as domestic relaitonships.

Just the other day, my wife and I were in Kinkos making some copies of some of her paintings (she's a good artist!), and a woman got into a discussion with her. The woman was pleasant, nice woman, and was thoroughly charmed with Ulyana. But then about 2/3 into the conversation, she said, "Oh, so you're one of those mail order brides!" My wife was a little offended, but she didn't say anything, of course. However, it shows two things: what a catchy "soundbite " it is, and that's what people have been told all this international marriage is about.

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2008, 10:16:29 PM »
Well this is kind of interesting. I got an email from a site "goodwife" asking me to take this survey. I don't recall ever visiting the site but you know how that goes. Anyway I looked at the site for a minute and the MOB and in the survey combined with the request for personal info and hit the don't send me any more mail button and a comment about the MOB name in the survey. So, this is a legitimate survey?

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2008, 10:36:15 PM »
Well this is kind of interesting. I got an email from a site "goodwife" asking me to take this survey. I don't recall ever visiting the site but you know how that goes. Anyway I looked at the site for a minute and the MOB and in the survey combined with the request for personal info and hit the don't send me any more mail button and a comment about the MOB name in the survey. So, this is a legitimate survey?

Brian,

Sorry for the confusion. GoodWife is one of our affiliate sites - and yes, it is a legitimate survey.

What was the "request for personal information"? Do you mean the opening page of the survey - when it asks for name and email?

There are a few people who did not complete the first/last name fields - and so long as they include a valid email, they are still able to take the survey.

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2008, 10:20:56 AM »
Quick Update Stats on the MOB Survey:

As of 19July2008, 12:16 PM EDT, we have 163 responses to the MOB Survey. Of those, 121 are fully-completed, and 42 are partially-completed.

13% of respondents are female - 87% are male.

Some interesting results from the current stats, but with such a small sample, they are not yet reliable.

PLEASE - tell all your friends. Call them. Write them. Let them know about this survey and its importance. I have been surprised in talking with friends here locally that SHOULD already know about it - and they do not! Make sure everyone you know is aware of the survey, and encourage them to complete it ASAP.

Thanks!

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2008, 09:33:48 AM »
It has come to my attention that a certain excommunicated member of RWD has made several baseless allegations to disparage the integrity of the MOB Survey. Specifically, they allege that the MOB Survey is designed to harvest email addresses, and that the email notice about the MOB Survey was SPAM.

Addressing the SPAM allegation first. We were careful to employ a script that makes it possible for anyone to unsubscribe from the mailing list at any time. We honor those requests faithfully. Any allegations of SPAM are fallacious and disparaging on the face.

As for the allegation of email harvesting, I should first point out that the antagonist making the allegation clearly has no real knowledge of the worth of an email list. The value of 5,000 email addresses, when spammers send out millions of emails per hour, is essentially nil. Much more importantly, the antagonist making that allegation fails to recognize that we posted a downloadable hardcopy version of the survey right here within a few hours of the survey commencement. Moreover, there is a page available in which the survey form may be downloaded by anyone (no email address required), found here -- http://www.goodwife.com/index.php?pid=47.

If anyone has any further questions or concerns, please feel free to post them here, or send me an email.

- Dan
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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2008, 06:22:48 PM »
Dan

Survey completed

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Re: Mail Order Bride Survey
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2008, 07:10:50 PM »
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Survey completed

Brian

Thanks Brian.

And please spread the word.

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