Model look women in marriage sites

[memosss]

Hi Guys
I am a 43 yo male from Turkey. I have a question. Russian women look lovely in marriage sites. Are these model look women really looking for a husband or not. Have you any personal experiences. Or May I date such women at least. I would like to meet such women at their cities and invite for a vacation in mediterrain coast. Do you think it is a good idea. Thanks in advance

[Shadow]

With the reputation the Russians have in Turkey, and the Turkish men have in Russia, it might be quite a hurdle for you to take. 

[OlgaH]

Crimea, December 2007
http://1k.com.ua/203/details/8/7

Statistic for 2007 by the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine in Crimea.

22 marriages with men from Turkey

18 marriages with men from Germany

11 marriages with men from USA

10 marriages with men from UK

[ScottinCrimea]

Our best friends are a Turkish man and his Ukrainian wife who now live in Istanbul.  I have seen no problems with this or similar marriages.

[BC]

Our best friends are a Turkish man and his Ukrainian wife who now live in Istanbul.  I have seen no problems with this or similar marriages.

Yeah.. don't either.. their necks work just as well as ours do when a RW walks by.

[BC]

memosss,

I spent a good while in Turkey and saw many, many RU women travelling, on vacation, at markets (especially clothes) etc etc..

[Blues Fairy]

My guess would be that most women listing themselves on marriage sites would prefer to hear from European and US men. While some may be open to learning Turkish, many would probably prefer a husband who speaks a language they already know.  I don't think one can long survive in a country without learning its official language at some point, even if one's husband speaks perfect English.  You would also do well to look at what they identify as their religion - a practicing Christian will most likely be squeamish about relocating to a Muslim country. 

[2tallbill]

Hi Guys
I am a 43 yo male from Turkey. I have a question. Russian women look lovely in marriage sites. Are these model look women really looking for a husband or not. Have you any personal experiences. Or May I date such women at least. I would like to meet such women at their cities and invite for a vacation in mediterrain coast. Do you think it is a good idea. Thanks in advance

The answer to your question unfortunately is yes and no. Some women are honestly searching, some are not.
You have to weed through them yourself to find out who is sincere and who is not. I think you should meet
a lady in her city for the first trip then maybe visit the Med on a second trip.

You can learn a lot by reading the 10 commandments, the FAQs.

Good luck,

Bill

[Shadow]

My guess would be that most women listing themselves on marriage sites would prefer to hear from European and US men. While some may be open to learning Turkish, many would probably prefer a husband who speaks a language they already know.  I don't think one can long survive in a country without learning its official language at some point, even if one's husband speaks perfect English.  You would also do well to look at what they identify as their religion - a practicing Christian will most likely be squeamish about relocating to a Muslim country. 

Blues Fairy with all respect, but Turkey should not be seen as a Muslim country. While it is the predominant religion, ever since Ataürk Turkey has a separation of state and religion, and they fully intend to keep it that way.

Olga, can you also dig up the total of travel statistics to put the marriage statistics in context ? As you know Turkey is one of the countries where women from the FSU can travel to without restrictions, there for a higher rate of interaction is expected.

[Blues Fairy]

Blues Fairy with all respect, but Turkey should not be seen as a Muslim country. While it is the predominant religion, ever since Ataürk Turkey has a separation of state and religion, and they fully intend to keep it that way.

With 99.8% population practicing Islam, Turkey is not a Muslim country? And from what I read, there's currently a threat of rising Islamic fundamentalism acknowledged even by their domestic security council.

[Shadow]

With 99.8% population practicing Islam, Turkey is not a Muslim country? And from what I read, there's currently a threat of rising Islamic fundamentalism acknowledged even by their domestic security council.

Correct. Like the USA is not official a Christian country, although it is the dominant religion. While there currently certainly is a threat of rising fundamentalism, and there is even tension between the military lead and the government over the issue, one should recognize that Turkey is one of the very few states that has been able to combine Muslim religion and democracy.

[memosss]

Yes Shadow Correct. Turkey is a democratic country. I think you are aware of current politics of my country. 

Guys and girls do you advice me to join a romantic tour to meet girls.  Is it worth to go.
Thanks for your replies.

[Blues Fairy]

Correct. Like the USA is not official a Christian country, although it is the dominant religion.

OK, if you insist, I'll change the definition: practicing Christians or Jewish women will most likely be uncomfortable moving to a country where 99.8% population are practicing Islam.  Does this change the substance of my advice? 

[roykirk]

With the reputation the Russians have in Turkey, and the Turkish men have in Russia, it might be quite a hurdle for you to take. 

I remember when I was on Elena's website, I noted quite a few Russian women who noted, "No Turkish men!"  I asked my girlfriend about this, and she said that many RW don't care for the overt and sometimes aggressive advances Turkish men make when they visit the country.  She said it was one of the things she didn't like about Turkish men, although she noted that many Russian women purposely seek out Turkish men for just these reasons.   

[steviej]

Turkey is indeed a Muslim country, to a far greater extent than you could/should say that America is a "Christian" country. That equivalence is absurd. The democratic nation of Turkey exterminated the Armenian christians, and deported all the Greek christians as well.

But that being said, there certainly could be a RW that would accept marrying into a Muslim family. And there could be a model-level "10" girl who would. Who knows? But I don't think its a lot of them.

[2tallbill]

Turkey is indeed a Muslim country, to a far greater extent than you could/should say that America is a "Christian" country. That equivalence is absurd. The democratic nation of Turkey exterminated the Armenian christians, and deported all the Greek christians as well.

But that being said, there certainly could be a RW that would accept marrying into a Muslim family. And there could be a model-level "10" girl who would. Who knows? But I don't think its a lot of them.

It might depend on if she is wife number three or wife number one.

[Shadow]

OK, if you insist, I'll change the definition: practicing Christians or Jewish women will most likely be uncomfortable moving to a country where 99.8% population are practicing Islam.  Does this change the substance of my advice? 

The substance of your advice was solid already. And while the area of turkey from where the husband comes and where they live will greatly influence the experience, it is wise for any RW to first check out some of the habits and culture before diving in.

[msmoby_ru]

Turkey is indeed a Muslim country, to a far greater extent than you could/should say that America is a "Christian" country. That equivalence is absurd. The democratic nation of Turkey exterminated the Armenian christians, and deported all the Greek christians as well.

But that being said, there certainly could be a RW that would accept marrying into a Muslim family. And there could be a model-level "10" girl who would. Who knows? But I don't think its a lot of them.

Steve, to be fair "Christian" Greece aslo expelled Turks from mainland - modern day Greece, and Rhodes and Crete ... this was 90 + years ago .. But let's not forget that "Christian" dominated Cyprus didn't exactly encourage Muslems to stay... ending up in partition in 74 ... Cyprus was a democracy, too

The Armenian issue is something that Turks are incredibly sensititve about and *I* think their history glosses over this too much .. but give it time..  *I* would like to seee them in the EU, and bring their Human rights laws in line with EU "norms" ... if it wasn't intransigence over  Cyprus ( from Cyprus and Turkey) - they might already BE members... Greece has encouraged Turkish membership..


I know of many FSU / German and UK women married to Turkish men - and you might be suprised that the ones I see have wonderful marriages... many Turkish / Turkish Cypriot men aren't the stereotypical macho dominant partner youy might surmise ..

We see them everywhre - regardless of culture.

Take care

 

[steviej]

Steve, to be fair "Christian" Greece aslo expelled Turks from mainland - modern day Greece, and Rhodes and Crete ... this was 90 + years ago .. But let's not forget that "Christian" dominated Cyprus didn't exactly encourage Muslems to stay... ending up in partition in 74 ... Cyprus was a democracy, too

The Armenian issue is something that Turks are incredibly sensititve about and *I* think their history glosses over this too much .. but give it time..  *I* would like to seee them in the EU, and bring their Human rights laws in line with EU "norms" ... if it wasn't intransigence over  Cyprus ( from Cyprus and Turkey) - they might already BE members... Greece has encouraged Turkish membership..


I know of many FSU / German and UK women married to Turkish men - and you might be suprised that the ones I see have wonderful marriages... many Turkish / Turkish Cypriot men aren't the stereotypical macho dominant partner youy might surmise ..

We see them everywhre - regardless of culture.

Take care

 

Yes, good point about the Greeks doing it the other way. It may just be me but I can't imagine why anyone in the EU would want to incorporate 150 MILLION MUSLIMS from Turkey into the EU. This is madness beyond my comprehension.

[BC]

Yes, good point about the Greeks doing it the other way. It may just be me but I can't imagine why anyone in the EU would want to incorporate 150 MILLION MUSLIMS from Turkey into the EU. This is madness beyond my comprehension.

Ever been to Turkey?

[msmoby_ru]

Yes, good point about the Greeks doing it the other way. It may just be me but I can't imagine why anyone in the EU would want to incorporate 150 MILLION MUSLIMS from Turkey into the EU. This is madness beyond my comprehension.

Well Steve the population is nearly half this figure, but yes, it could be 100mill soon !

The US policy, at the mo, is PUSHING - and I mean PUSHING for the EU to accept Turkey

Other EU based members are welcome to comment - but the UK and IRL, Spain, Greece are amongst those pro Turkey's membership .. France, NL , Austria are def. - not so keen !!  Germany has LOT's of ethnic TR voters so would probabaly vote amongst the yeses...

[Shadow]

The countries that have a large number of Turkish immigrants may not be so eager to accept them.

However the muslims in Turkey are divided in to two groups...the ones in the West and Mediterraenean part are secular, which means that in lifestyle they hardly differ from Christians. However in the mountains and agricultural cities there are more fundamental.
And somewhere in the east are the Kurdic people, now if you are looking for human rights issues that is where the real problems are.
Unfortunately the Kurdic people live in places in Turkey, Iraq and Iran that are rich in oil. Which makes it rather complicated for them to create their own country.

[steviej]

Ever been to Turkey?

No, and that is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with whether anyone knows "nice" Muslims.  Do you really want 100M Turkish Muslims to be able to go anywhere they want, settle in any European city they want? Again, I just can't understand how people can take 3000 years of history so lightly or for granted. There's no reason, IMHO, that they can't stay in Turkey, have good trade deals and good relations with the EU, without making them a borderless member of the EU.

[Shadow]

No, and that is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with whether anyone knows "nice" Muslims.  Do you really want 100M Turkish Muslims to be able to go anywhere they want, settle in any European city they want? Again, I just can't understand how people can take 3000 years of history so lightly or for granted. There's no reason, IMHO, that they can't stay in Turkey, have good trade deals and good relations with the EU, without making them a borderless member of the EU.

That is a misconception from your part. Joining the EU is not equal to joining Shengen and the benefits of borderless travel.
While there may be a right to work and live where wanted, the countries have the right to keep requirements like a job and enough income for settlement. Restrictions have only recently been lifted for Poland, and there is discussion about lifting the restrictions for Romania and Bulgaria, who are already part of the EU.
The UK is an example of a country that still has active border control and visa requirements, although they have joined the EU.

Also as the membership does require economic stability, the chance that Turkey becomes empty over night are rather small.

[steviej]

That is a misconception from your part. Joining the EU is not equal to joining Shengen and the benefits of borderless travel.
While there may be a right to work and live where wanted, the countries have the right to keep requirements like a job and enough income for settlement. Restrictions have only recently been lifted for Poland, and there is discussion about lifting the restrictions for Romania and Bulgaria, who are already part of the EU.
The UK is an example of a country that still has active border control and visa requirements, although they have joined the EU.

Also as the membership does require economic stability, the chance that Turkey becomes empty over night are rather small.

But what's the motivation anyway? I mean, why bother? Turkey can remain Turkey, nothing wrong with that.