Do NOT fall in love! - lol

[Caddydaddy]

Hey AJ,

Thanks for your thoughts, I know what you mean. I learned one thing in my short life, if my head or belly says: There is something not right, I'll stop that. I do not want a second partner disaster, this time it must be right - Mr & Mrs Right.
There is a backup plan 1 Siberia, backup plan 2 Latvia, backup plan 3 Belarus. All are wonderful Ladies if my life experience does not cheat me. But, can't help, the ONE Lady is my top favorite, I don't know why. At least I am able "to make her mood better" and she "really likes to receive my messages very much". She simply has that "certain something", her eyes and...  STOP!!! hehe

I am well aware that chances are 50:50, no, 51:49 for the better, in 4 weeks I will be more clever 

[msmoby_ru]

Hey AJ,

Thanks for your thoughts, I know what you mean. I learned one thing in my short life, if my head or belly says: There is something not right, I'll stop that. I do not want a second partner disaster, this time it must be right - Mr & Mrs Right.
There is a backup plan 1 Siberia, backup plan 2 Latvia, backup plan 3 Belarus. All are wonderful Ladies if my life experience does not cheat me. But, can't help, the ONE Lady is my top favorite, I don't know why. At least I am able "to make her mood better" and she "really likes to receive my messages very much". She simply has that "certain something", her eyes and...  STOP!!! hehe

I am well aware that chances are 50:50, no, 51:49 for the better, in 4 weeks I will be more clever 

Dear CD

bear in mind that if you have "back ups" she may have 'em, too ... !! Sorry, I just *don't * get this mentality....

[msmoby_ru]

Let me add, I get the impression you really like this lady.. and I'm routing for you...

[Caddydaddy]

msmoby,

Yes, truly, I also got the impression she is a jewel and I know what I would do if..., those eyes... , however, only a personal meet can tell the truth. But, what if she doesn't like me???     or maybe I get scared away by something I don't know yet?

So I will meet another Lady too I have contact with. No idea if my Favorite or the other Lady have "back up" plans, maybe, maybe not, I would fully understand it if they have, both are beautiful, very intelligent and well educated women.

How the meetings will get managed, I have no idea yet, I will arrange this with the agency director and also how to act if there can be made a first decision, all options are still open..., life can act strange sometimes and maybe all is already written in the great book 

[mark2353]

msmoby,

Yes, truly, I also got the impression she is a jewel and I know what I would do if..., those eyes... , however, only a personal meet can tell the truth. But, what if she doesn't like me???     or maybe I get scared away by something I don't know yet?

So I will meet another Lady too I have contact with. No idea if my Favorite or the other Lady have "back up" plans, maybe, maybe not, I would fully understand it if they have, both are beautiful, very intelligent and well educated women.

How the meetings will get managed, I have no idea yet, I will arrange this with the agency director and also how to act if there can be made a first decision, all options are still open..., life can act strange sometimes and maybe all is already written in the great book 

Caddydaddy,
Sounds list you are going in for a fantastic experience!, to meet a friend that you been writing to for +3 months. Do not worry, be yourself and enjoy it.
Recently I meet with a lovely RW in France. The meeting started very, very slow, however we ended up having a wonderful time. She will come visit me for Christmas so..
I will tell you that I was ready to give up if had not spoken to some great friends and was reminded of some basic facts.
"Patience!" The rest will come one day at the time! Besides you have a alternate plan.
best wishes!!

Do not forget the Chocolates!! Very important!! (if you look around you will find that RW have large sweet tooth.

[msmoby_ru]

msmoby,

Yes, truly, I also got the impression she is a jewel and I know what I would do if..., those eyes... , however, only a personal meet can tell the truth. But, what if she doesn't like me???     or maybe I get scared away by something I don't know yet?

I'm sure you'll manage fine..

I have an interesting true story

I know of a man who met a RW and there was no spark - he felt it a the airport - he saw it in her eyes ..the FSUW took the WOVO man around her city and environs.. it was if they were "going through the motions" of politeness.. 

Others might have flown home, or gone to a plan B -if they'd had one..

Two weeks later FSUW is in Love with this man..

GOR FOR IT... and if you really like her .. don't shower her with gifts... be yourself, and if you like her.. don't be disheartened and give up too easily..

Like I said.. I'm routing for you ... can't say why, but may be because she's Siberian...!!

[Caddydaddy]

guys, I got a problem, I need your advise!

I will meet at least 2 Ladies in Siberia.
The one is well educated, let's say good looking, many men would like her I am sure, nice letters and phonecalls too, but she is NOT my type, can't say why, I just know it. And I already know that this meet with her is for nothing from my side, at best a bit small talk and yes it is nice in Siberia. Shall I stop it just now, before other steps are made?

It looks completely different for my Favorite! To be honest, SHE is the only reason that I go there 

Thanks in advance

[Turboguy]

Personally I would meet them both.  I have had times that I thought sure I was going to meet someone I would really click with and sometimes very quickly on meeting I knew they were not the one.   

I have had others that I held little hope for.  I planned to meet with them just because I was going to be in their city.   I was quite surprised when I met them and really clicked with in person.   No matter how strongly you feel about someone in advance until you meet you are just pen pals and until you meet you really don't know what will happen.

[Pike]

Personally I would meet them both.  I have had times that I thought sure I was going to meet someone I would really click with and sometimes very quickly on meeting I knew they were not the one.   

I have had others that I held little hope for.  I planned to meet with them just because I was going to be in their city.   I was quite surprised when I met them and really clicked with in person.   No matter how strongly you feel about someone in advance until you meet you are just pen pals and until you meet you really don't know what will happen.

Turbo is right on the money here with his words. 

And, unless you are comfortable with blowing your entire trip money and vacation time on a ten minute meeting with one woman in each city, . . . you better have a lot of back-up ladies.

[groovlstk]

Turbo is right on the money here with his words. 

And, unless you are comfortable with blowing your entire trip money and vacation time on a ten minute meeting with one woman in each city, . . . you better have a lot of back-up ladies.

I'd agree here, also. If there was one thing I learned for sure is that when you meet these women they will most certainly NOT be the same as you imagined them to be through emails/phone calls.

[msmoby_ru]

Dear C-D

it's your call.. listen to Pike, Groov or Turbo and *possibly* risk loosing the one you REALLY like by playing the "%age game"  ... or concentrate on the one you like..

Frankly, if the lady "surprises" you with her behaviour when you show up, then there must have been something you "missed" or she has more than one man in tow, and you aren't her current "fav".. There are enough methods to see how she looks / talks/ etc before you get on the plane...

If you want to play the "%age game" and have "backups"... expect the same treatment.. and you'll not get as close..

[Caddydaddy]

Hi and thanks for your thoughts,

As I drove home from work yesterday I made the decision:
SHE! Take me all - or leave me alone!

Why should I meet with someone I already know chances are low? And my backup plan is that I can meet any Lady from the agency when I am there and it will not work out.

Ok, something about pics:
First, a so called "Stunner" or "Hottie" doesn't impress me at all, I am looking for a woman, of course a pretty one. 
The very first pics I saw from her were not recent and bad quality, among others a kinda passport pic where I could see her face and eyes - and I thought: aha! After the first letters I got two new high resolution pics, her face and full-length portrait. I thought, the hell, I knew it! Since 4 weeks I have a full collection of normal and studio pics and I flatly fell off my chair as I saw them for the first time! She also has snapshots and professional pics from me.

I believe we already left the "pleasantries pen pal" state, in the meantime we exchanged x sms and discussed for hours on the phone, here some examples I may write on this forum:

subject age gap, she is 36 me 47:
Me: Maybe many men want young women in their twenties, buhdpf... I couldn't speak out as I got to hear: "I am looking much younger than I am, this is sometimes good, sometimes bad!" Ahh, I know you are looking very pretty, see, I don't want a woman with such a big age difference, she only should be able to have kids. "Yes, I am already old, 36 is old" - Hey, YOU are NOT OLD, look at me! And we started a hearty laugh...
subject kids:
She: Yahhm many Russian women have bad health. (means, can't get babies) Then came straight and firm: I am healthy!
subject her dog:
She after a while: You don't want to visit my dog, do you? No, I want to visit YOU! and another laughter...

The most impressive for me is the expression of her face and those wonderful eyes, windows to her soul.
And she is a Beauty in my eyes, she already knows that she is the "Diamond of Siberia" and she didn't refuse 

[msmoby_ru]

"Caddy"

I wish you luck.. and if you "crash and burn" you can all "blame" me...   

[Caddydaddy]

Don't worry msmoby, I am only responsible to myself 

Yes, with my favorite chances are 49:51, tendency positive. This still means she can refuse me or I can refuse her for some reasons.

With the alternative Lady chances from my side are 20:80, very negative. Why should I meet someone I already know this is nothing?

If all crashes and burns I have the possibility to meet as much Ladies of the agency as possible in the time I am there, I already discussed this with the director.

So far, so good 

[kryten41]

Good luck CaddyDaddy!
I am with you and MsMoby on the backup plan subject.  When I first went over, it was to meet one woman. My backup plan was to have a good vacation if things didn't work out with the lady I went to see.  I learned a little Russian using the Pimsleur Cd's, and took along a phrasebook, just in case I found myself in need.

Again, good luck and let us know how it goes. 

[Sculpto]

Caddy...

I wish you great luck on your trip, but, I want to offer a small advice.  I do not know if you have a lot of experience meeting women via the internet, but, I have found since I started internet dating in 1993 that there can be big suprises.  The girl that comes off perfect online can be a real disaster IRL and the girl that comes off poorly online can end up being the gem you seek.  My point, do not discount anyone or anything until you can verify what is real IRL. 

I would also advise being extraordinarily careful about any dealings with agencies until you have had the chance to verify them IRL also.  Believe me when I say some of the agencies are very very skilled in making you believe they are legitimate and usefull and you can even walk away feeling, "wow, what nice people" and only later understand that they were very nice at getting you to spend more money but actually end up doing nothing to help your cause. 

Anyway, best of luck and as others have said keep us up to date on your progress. 

[Caddydaddy]

Thanks for the good wishes, I can use it 

Sculpto, I know what you mean. I must confess I have no experience in internet dating of women (yet hehe), but I have a lot with internet dating of Caddies, lol. One examins pics and may think, wow, that's that nice 1958 Eldorado Biarritz I ever searched for, and so reasonable priced! When you see it in real you must discover it is a rust bucket with a new paint, hehe.

kryten, your and msmoby's thoughts lead me to the "what if" question. What, that's best case, would be if my favorite thinks same as me? (hey, you all out there know more about my thoughts about her than I told her up to now) Would she be pleased knowing or seeing me meeting with several other women? I guess she would not, the contrary, I may get a thick minus behind my name.

Ok, tomorrow I have my next phonecall with her and latest in 12 days I will know it 

[ScottinCrimea]

I don't discredit any way of meeting women that works.  I don't think it is wise to say one is better than the other.  It's good to offer the pros and cons, but ultimately it is up to the individual to decide what fits best with his goals and personality.

When I first went to Ukraine, it was an all or nothing thing, the same as some have expressed here.  I wasn't going to find a Russian wife, I was going to meet HER.  My backup plan didn't include searching for another woman to spend time with if it didn't work out.  I'm quite comfortable with myself and a nice vacation alone would have been just fine (though not as fine as spending it with her).

I knew what I wanted when I went, so it wasn't an issue of needing to meet several to make comparisons and choose the best of these options.  I do know that if my wife had gotten any clue at all that I was planning to meet more than one woman on my visit she would have been long gone.  Some women will accept this but mine would not.

I understand Sculpto's comments about internet dating.  I did a fair amount myself and had both good and bad surprises.  You do have to rely on the other person to be honest because the contact at first is necessarily limited in scope.  They can say anything and send any picture and there's no way to know if it is really her other than taking her word. If you take the time to establish that what she claims is what she is, and you still feel compatibility, the odds of hitting it off when you meet go way up.  Of course there's still the chemistry thing, and nothing can guarantee that but actually meeting.

Go, have a great time and keep us posted!

[Caddydaddy]

short interim report

Next Tuesday I will head off to Siberia and arrive Thursday early morning. I will meet both Ladies which I have contact with, if nothing works out, others too, that is also the job of the agency.

My first meet will be with my favorite. In the meantime we phoned several times and and she knows that she is the main reason that I will come, I will spend as much time with her as possible. I communicated all open and honestly. We agreed that we are friends, our discussions are good and left the checking out each other state quite a time and we can discuss more substantial subjects. I realize there are serious cultural differences, also how things works in Russia, she told me examples out of her daily life, man, unthinkable here.

Another question which raises in my head is, let's say all goes well, let's say one day a RW will arrive with me here and we start a new life. Hmm, can get difficult, not because of myself, but here "strangers" are not always welcome in any case. It may take years until someone gets adjusted and accepted by other native citizen.

Ok, let's see, in any case it will get an interesting trip 

[kievstar]

caddydaddy,

Your profile says you live in Switzerland.  I work there about a 1 week a month.  Zurich is loaded with Russian, Polish, Slovakian, and Ukrainian women so I do not think it will be hard for a future friend of yours to adjust in Switzerland.  She will need to learn the local language which is not English as you know.  So once language is learned she will fit right in.

[Caddydaddy]

Hi all,

I am in Siberia, I almost can't believe it myself, but I am here, took my old laptop with me and have internet connection in my hotel
The trip was long but pleasant, Aeroflot is great, all went well.

OK, phew, man oh man, I am still speechless, pleasantly surprised, oh my God!!!
Yesterday I met my Favorite for the first time in real.
My heart was bumping and fell somehow in my left trouserpocket, fortunately I only was about 70%, still had a bit jet lag, otherwise I wouldn't be sure if I had survived this major event.
Then SHE came
She looked otherwise than on her pics, but... phew, man man man, I was overwhelmed!! She's a beauty and those wonderful eyes I could look in for the first time in my life!!!! Ok, after a while I decided to survive
We went out and she showed me a bit of her hometown, we sat in a nice cafe, we visited two art galleries and went out for cosy dinner, we had to talk so much and as we already discovered together on the phone we can laugh hearty together

And a small note what I experienced yesterday while walking with her trough the streets. She just explained me, look, this building belongs to the university I was once, over there is a sport complex, suddenly another young woman started to talk to me: Where are you from, who are you, what are you looking for, why are you here, crazy, it was embarrassing because she saw I was talking to my Favorite, until I really got mad and almost said pi** off!
As we closed our truly nice day and evening we were heading with a taxi through the streets back to my hotel. I almost felt like in the best 007 movie 

Phew       those eyes..., I knew it!

I'll keep you posted

Your life reporter from Siberia,
CaddyDaddy

[msmoby_ru]

So far, so good CD, keep calm - *be yourself*, and learn lots

[Caddydaddy]

Hi all,

Wow, Siberia, I am impressed! Russian food is excellent, I think all you guys who are married to a RW can count yourself lucky to have a wife who is able to cook meals like that!
Car drivers are helldrivers, especially taxi drivers, hehe, lots of right hand driven cars from Japan here. And I saw a Lincoln Stretch Limo too. "Look a wedding" – Yes I see 

I also had one small meet with the other Lady - btw, I was all correct but felt not good at all doing this - and it was like I thought before, for nothing.

All my other time I spend with my Favorite, a wonderful Lady. She is a great guide, she showed me a lot of her hometown, I guess I know most of the good cafes here, we were in "the forest", a recreation area nearby the town, we had a look on Ob river which was already partially iced, yesterday we went to the theatre, had cosy dinners, it is really great. I am all gentlemen, as far as my abilities are not destroyed by western feminism, my goal is to win her heart and not other things. With every day we come closer and get to know each other better, it is promising, I already fear the day I must go back and leave her here...

So far, wonderful! 

Greetings from Siberia
CaddyDaddy

[msmoby_ru]

Keep it coming.. 

[Ulysses]

Soak it all up.....I remember some of those cosy dinners from my recent trip........more than the food was at that table!!!!  And the eyes!!!   Sounds like you're on a good pathway.