Experiencing the Cinderella Complex: I married a FSU woman

[KenC]

GoUSA,
You are the sorriest excuse for a man I have witnessed in a very long time.  Put your tinfoil hat on, cover the windows with newspaper and just go away, please.  You and your justifications make me want to puke.
KenC

[Jumper]

gousa stated

And I'm surely not going to roll over and let some calculating, coniving stirva matrushka get even close to separating me from my heritage.   That will happen only over my dead body.   And I'm not going to get a job just to support her high lifestyle and disrespectful offspring either, or anyone else for that matter.

gousa-
you understand it is going to seem odd to those here..
when you seemingly accepting marriage and a family,
knowing fundamentally your income was from inheritence,
yet you dint want to use this inheritence to support any family ,
 other than how you had been accustomed to living,,(single and frugally)

in light of that, YEAH, you and her might need to get jobs if you dont want to dwindle the "nest egg"

i seem to be missing the basics here, but as i asked on page one,
what the heck did you expect? you dint have a job,,
or any income really, and dint want to use the inheretence,
but  you dint expect a new familty would be expensive?
and somehow expected to  be able to live as you did before?

you say she was ridiculasly demanding, and din't contribute.
I can believe you!! (there are people like that, seems you might have married one)

but you understand that nothing you have offered up here ,
shows this side of her at all really ?

you dont want to give specifics..
that's ok.
but noone can see this side of her if it isnt presented,
the things you presented seem fairly normal.
 
she "wanted" lots you say..
(and yes she may have been just ridiculous in her demands)

but what you detailed ,were somewhat understandible ,
and mostly where things you bought like a house and used car.

hey my wife wants a corvette to!!
(and heck she'd gladly take a bentley! with a big bow on top! )

KenC cracked me up!
(as my wife asks for things too!(imagine)
 sometimes she asks  seriuosly, sometimes jokingingly ,
but it seems her nature to *test* the waters..lol and "ask"  ,
like KenC  , some i consider, some we discuss,  some i just laugh..)

 From a few "requests" , i could easily present her as demanding.
It would be completely unfair!!!!
 as she has always contributed - either in the role of
very hard working housewife/mother,  
or as a wife working, who recently bought me a new car (as some returned thoutghtfullness ,, for a new car i bought her to fulffill a dream she had a couple years ago)

 so yes if you want people to see this side of your story, you'd
need to present her outragous demands and day to day stuff
( the stuff you experienced , and got fed up with)
without doing so ,
the readers can only see a misunderstood situation,
 and her being as reasonable in it, as yourself.
*shrugs*
 



gousa said:

If she doesn't find Mr. Perfect she can comeback if I don't have somebody else.

Ha zues!
nevermind!

lol afterall that, and proclaiming from the rooftops to avoid RW ,, and how bad this particular RW is/was....

you did indeed take her back after the divorce!!
( i thought i read that earlier , but wasnt sure )

even more incredible-
you would take her back again,
 maybe, if you were bored and unattached..
of course now , by your admission ,
she is working and making pretty good money (but over spending it)

Sorry this tale of how bad the marriage was for you, and how bad she was as a person..
just doesnt add up
as soon as you mention you took her back (twice actually)

and are still open to the  possibilty of taking her back yet again.LOL!  

your actions speak far far louder than your words (on far more than this subject)

Your actions clearly show she couldn't have been that bad,
 or you are, in your own word , "NUTS!"

but then i think I understand, she is divorced now..
and can't get at your inheritence. the milk was paid for in the past, and free now,,
So why not right?  

I'd like to empathize and  feel bad for you, because i know there are inceredibly bad situations like you describe..
 but instead its a trainwreck i cant help watching, it feels like jerry springer is going to call you soon!

i've been reading this kind of tale  since these boards were around in 1998.
(yeah i should find something ,more constructive to do,and think i will lol )


I do wish you (and your ex) good luck in the future..


  

[Ronnie]

I'll take another stab at this.

GoUSA. I've used the same argument about women being more abusive than men (it appears to be true).  But here's what I think is missing.  Women are not men.  There are rare exceptions, but men are larger and and 2-3 times stronger in the upper body than women.  And the differences don't end there, there are huge differences in our brains.

Check this out..

http://www.thedigitalbeat.com/2007/04/male-brain-vs-female-brain.html

Laws that sometimes seem one sided are usually that way for a reason.  Men have to realize that, "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required"

Men are Men. Women are Women.

GoUSA,
You are the sorriest excuse for a man I have witnessed in a very long time.  Put your tinfoil hat on, cover the windows with newspaper and just go away, please.  You and your justifications make me want to puke.
KenC

Ken...must you be so subtle? :evil:

[mark2353]

GoUSA,
You are the sorriest excuse for a man I have witnessed in a very long time.  Put your tinfoil hat on, cover the windows with newspaper and just go away, please.  You and your justifications make me want to puke.
KenC

I have the exact same feelings! If I had the funds right now I rescue the RW out of the hole in the ground this guy put her in. Also to make sure she does not go back due to her desperation.  Very Sad, I can not read C***P anymore! 

[Maxx2]

Laws that sometimes seem one sided are usually that way for a reason.  Men have to realize that, "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required"

Is it possible that when the feminists where drafting up the laws that were to become VAWA took advantage of this situation and pushed their one sided laws to the extreme? "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him everything and then some will be required" "Punish whomever was given much and reward the weak in truth"


Maxx

[Ronnie]

I shouldn't have quoted the sermon on the mount.  Not the best example, but it was all I could think of.  The facts are that men are physically stronger, intellectually superior by 5 point in IQ (all averages of course) and much more in control of their emotions. 

Does that not place a greater responsibility on the man?   I think it does.  It has to.

[Maxx2]

I shouldn't have quoted the sermon on the mount.  Not the best example, but it was all I could think of.  The facts are that men are physically stronger, intellectually superior by 5 point in IQ (all averages of course) and much more in control of their emotions. 

Does that not place a greater responsibility on the man?   I think it does.  It has to.

I would agree but it has been taken too far in my opinion. We discussed this in another thread about the man being presumed and must prove his innocence. And why? Because of him being bigger and stronger and more capable of serious physical assault than the usual woman. This is an old subject.

Maxx 

[BC]

The facts are that men are physically stronger, intellectually superior by 5 point in IQ (all averages of course) and much more in control of their emotions. 

Does that not place a greater responsibility on the man?   I think it does.  It has to.

I hate to disagree.. but...

Physically stronger.. in general yes

intellectually superior.. maybe on average but as evidenced often here it's pot luck..  May feel that way when she arrives, but should just think back to the first time they stepped off a plane in FSU.

much more in control of their emotions.. if that were so we would not wind up so often with big and little head remarks, and reminded to have the patience of a saint.

If the men chasing RW in general posessed the two characteristics you mention this board would be a lot smaller.

[Shadow]

Gousa, I have a math question.

You were 16 when your father had the accident. He died 14 years later. Then you spent 8 years caring for your mother. That makes you 38. You met your ex-wife when your mother was alive in a nursing home. Marriage lasted 3 years.
Still you told your age is 47. I seem to be missing 5 years here.

Gousa it seemed you have missed this question. Would you mind to answer ?

[Turboguy]

Perhaps more in control of thier emotions but much less in control of their sex drive.

[Maxx2]

Perhaps more in control of thier emotions but much less in control of their sex drive.

I assume you are referring to men with this?

 Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)
                           The Female of the Species

    WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
    He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
    But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Women go for the throat in a fight.

    When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
    He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
    But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Men usually avoid a fight when they can. But women will hold their ground.

    When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
    They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
    'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Women call for harsher measures towards those they feel threatened from.

    Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
    For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
    But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other's tale—
    The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Men are afraid of saying certain things but women are more likely to express their feelings through words.

    Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
    Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
    Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
    To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Men try and play fair.

    Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
    To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
    Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
    Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!

Men form trials. They have self doubts about their role in
the outcome for justice. They put themselves in their enemies
shoes. A man's anger towards his foe can be turned aside with humor
The way he deals with issues of justice is absurd to women.

    But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
    Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
    And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
    The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

Women make their decisions of justice towards the accused based on
their deep eternal subconscience need to protect their "children". 

    She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
    May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
    These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
    She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

Women do not compromise the safety of their children or family by
having self doubts or pity towards the preceived threat. Facts or
joking do not get in their way. Protecting her children or family is
the ultimate honor for her.    

    She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
    As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
    And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
    Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

For women the role of mother and wife is the ultimate level

    She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
    Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
    He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
    Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

If a woman's children or family are threatened look out!

    Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
    Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
    Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
    And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!

A woman's tongue is a formable weapon! 

    So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
    With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
    Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
    To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.

Men in Kipling's day knew to keep women from positions of authority.
They knew that women would rule with protective emotion.

    And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
    Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
    And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
    That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.

If a man is wise he will know that a woman must never get the command
over him. She can excite him but not rule him. Women know the game is
to rule a man and she warns him of this by what she does and says.
Women are more dangerous then men.


Maxx

[Ade]

I shouldn't have quoted the sermon on the mount.  Not the best example, but it was all I could think of.  The facts are that men are physically stronger, intellectually superior by 5 point in IQ (all averages of course) and much more in control of their emotions. 

Does that not place a greater responsibility on the man?   I think it does.  It has to.

Where did you pick up the IQ statistic?

Men tend to have a greater deviation from the mean than women; i.e. it is more common for men to have stratospheric IQs but also more common for men to have much lower IQs than women. Overall, on average, women and men are about the same in terms of IQ but to skew it the other way, assuming of course that there is a positive correlation between IQ and intelligence, there are more stupid men out there than stupid women.

[Maxx2]

Where did you pick up the IQ statistic?

Men tend to have a greater deviation from the mean than women; i.e. it is more common for men to have stratospheric IQs but also more common for men to have much lower IQs than women. Overall, on average, women and men are about the same in terms of IQ but to skew it the other way, assuming of course that there is a positive correlation between IQ and intelligence, there are more stupid men out there than stupid women.

I wonder if it is possible to believe any statistics in regard to this issue in today's politically correct environment?


Maxx

[gousa]

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Gousa it seemed you have missed this question. Would you mind to answer ?
[/quote]


Those years were probably spent at ORNL.  I don't remember.   Why should I have to account for every minute of my life?   I suppose it's fun for some guys to examine me from end to end.

As long as some of you guys keep taking cheap shots I will keep defending myself, but to what purpose,  that's a mystery.     It's my little forum so why should I go away?  So the whipped guys can sit and take over?   If you don't like my mentality you can take a hike anytime.     Why should I be drained and neglect my own necessary tasks or go and serve someone else just to bring a paycheck back home for stirva like some of these fellows think?   Are they whipped?   Ronnie you aren't one of those.   I love your comment about the "one way samba"  it made me get up and LOL last night.   That's a great comment,  absolutely love it.

I'm trying to teach something here.   I guess some of us have fundamentaly different mindsets.   Would it help to  declare that my  complaint  has to do just with a mind set and not to do with RW's in general?    Of course I have an predisposition or "attitude" in my favor.  SHould I have anything else?   Do you want me to be self critical?  Sorry but that's already been tried and that's a joke.  That nice young pretty paralegal gal always said, "Go American".   Hence my name gousa. 


My spirits are up.   Last night I went out to the bar and guess who was bartending?  The local Russian gal.  She's a translator at the local school.  She remembers my ex and her kid and myself.    She's a hot, young beauty and from Siberia too and she really is a worker.   She was friendly and I spoke some easy Russian with her.  I could do business with that one.    She laughed when I told her that my ex made me move her to Florida.  I suppose I could have said no to that as well but again I gave the benefit of the doubt.   If I get a date with the translator I'll change my tune and come back and shower everybody with roses and cigars. 

KenC just looking at you makes me want to puke.   Sorry but you couldn't even carry my jockstrap.   Being a man is not all about continuously submitting to female dominance.  That  is what everything here written by me  is about.    My ex makes me want to puke to.    But I always wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt.   What a mistake.   It would take months to write down all the examples.  All those who want to be a slave to their women please stand up and barf now...all together, please.

Lets see,   when I got my vascectomy the orders were to sit and rest for a few days.   What did doctor stirva do?   She got a sour look on her face everytime I sat down and the vascectomy was no exception.   As I sat she started staring at me with her prying eyes and started to point and nag about some repairs that were available around for me around the old house (up north).   I got tired of her nagging and staring and went and did the stuff.   Afterwards my nut sack was all ripped up and bloody from the chafing and I had to tape it up and do some repairs on that as well.   She watched that and it seemed to make her happy.

Early in the relationship, at the end of everyday she always had a list of ebay and/or craiglist items that she wanted.   I spent a couple hours everyday pointing and clicking buying her stuff.   Half of the stuff sits in her closet and has never been used to this day.  After awhile she had enough stuff and I said calmly "That's enough stuff for now.  Let's not do this anymore."    But the next day there she was doing the same thing again.   I bought one more item and said, "That's it, no more."   THe next day she had the list again so I blew up, took her computer away and told her to bug off.    The next day she wanted me to apologize to her.  I laughed instead.

She had a permanent sinus infection that she developed in college twenty years ago.  She had a permanent drip and she was constanly blowing and snorting.  She alwasys sounded like a room full of people on cocaine.   I asked her why she didn't go through the process of snorting saltwater continuously and it would go away as I have done.  She said she didn't like the painful sensation of snorting the salt water.   So I went out and bought a Neti pot and instructed her how to use it.  The infection subsided.   But why couldn't she, a doctor, do something about it during the last twenty years?

Before I got her a car she drove my car like a maniac.   The boys at Indianapolis or Daytona would be proud.   That's what new drivers do so I only got a little bit angry about that.

Just a few months into the marriage she demanded that I buy that new house and move us to Florida.   I imagine that was spurred by a desire to be with more Russians and I uderstand that.  I made the sacrafice and spent the money and it was a gift to her.  But I get half of it back in a few years.    If you want to add that gift, 275,000 was my total contribution to the family over three years.  That came directly from my investment accounts.   It could have been more but I kept a lid on it.   She sits in the nice house that I bought.  She certainly isn't in a hole.   She's working, taking care of a nice house in a nice southern city, spoiling her child, and having lots of dates.   How is that a hole?    That car I got for her is used but it's nice.   It's a mint Plymouth breeze with a new engine and three year warranty.


Marriage for me is not something that I should have to wake up everyday to worrying about all the things that I have "NO!" to.     I say no to that as well.

Women have to realize that, "For unto whomsoever much is given, of her shall be much required"

[Ade]

GoUsa, you seem to have some serious issues and it really is no wonder that you were single for so long; I think your inheritance would be better spent on getting some therapy.

[KenC]

GoUSA,
YOU DA MAN!

Do the female population of the world a favor and stay single!
KenC

[Shadow]

Gousa I ask you this question because I am trying to see if your story adds up.
You are very scarce in giving details, and when you can not even tell the correct ages and times things happened, how should we trust the rest of your story ? Who knows you are just trying to repeat what you read somewhere.

We have no reason to take cheap shots at you. All we try is to show you a mirror. If you want to look in it or not, that is up to you.

Lets review your latest tales.
1. Your wife was asking you to buy things by computer. You twice agreed, then took away her computer. Did you understand that you by that took away part of her communications with the home front ?

2. You accuse KenC of being pussy whipped. But you are the one who, because of 'nagging' decided to do repairs instead of following the doctors advice. BTW was the vasectomy your idea or hers ?

Too bad you had to have this experience to realize that marriage is not something you can decide in 2 weeks.

[BC]

The situation as it stands today can be summed up in four words..

She's happy, He's not.

gousa, she obviously has moved on after her experience but it sounds like you will never get over it and carry that burden to your grave.  You're here looking for someone to share your load.. I respectfully decline and highly suggest working on your issues with a professional.  You weren't a happy man before marriage and are not now.

You could easily change things around by using the print function at the top of this thread, print it all out and take it to a good psychologist.  It will save you about a thousand bucks of sessions.  A good psychologist will see things as they are quite clearly and can help guide you through it all.

You have received the RWD discount package.. use it wiselly.

[groovlstk]

It's my little forum so why should I go away?  So the whipped guys can sit and take over?   If you don't like my mentality you can take a hike anytime. 

This from a guy who BOUGHT a wife and now wants to return her because the maintenance costs are prohibitive. Too bad the warranty expired 

[BC]

 She sits in the nice house that I bought.  She certainly isn't in a hole.   She's working, taking care of a nice house in a nice southern city, spoiling her child, and having lots of dates.   How is that a hole?    That car I got for her is used but it's nice.   It's a mint Plymouth breeze with a new engine and three year warranty.

Ok for the record http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1996-to-2000-plymouth-breeze.htm  Price Range:$1,100 - 2,800  I assume you picked it for her?  As with the house?

I'd love to see pics of the house..

[Ronnie]

In every relationship there is one partner who takes the lead.  It must be that way so that there is order.  Ordinarily it's the man and most women, especially FWUW want it that way as long as he is open to their views and wishes.

The challenge then is to be in charge without being a "Diktator" or coming across like one.  Do you win a chess game by simply reaching out and taking away the opponents king?   There are rules and within those rules a man must develop strategies and tactics if he is to maintain the lead role and the respect of his wife.  Women seem to know by instinct how to manipulate her man. 

As Glenn Frye sang,

City girls just seem to find out early
how to open doors with just a smile. 

Well, Glenn, it ain't just city girls and it ain't just doors they can cause to move without touching and it ain't just with a smile... but we get what you mean.

Women understand the "enemy's" vulnerabilities and man is less adept at it.  But he can easily become adept with some insight, observation and effort.  The link I put up about the differences in brains, man vs. woman, has some helpful hints.  Hugs of twenty second seems to work wonders.  Even Maxx's Elvira was vulnerable to them.

Yesterday the missus was out of sorts...dunno why..maybe hormones. Probably hormones.  She proceed to scald her hand in the kitchen.  Normally she would just holler "Bleen!" and go on.  This time the bleen was followed by sobbing that both her son and I responded to (BTW, RM seem to have a better instinct for this stuff than we do, FWIW).  I said I would run to the store and get some burn spray and by the way, was there anything else she needed?  She mentioned a few items and I hustled back with the stuff.

The upshot is that the incident changed her whole mood.  Being out of sorts was now suddenly gone.  Mood changed 180 degrees.

 Women often refer to us as oversized boys and they are damn right if the truth be told.  But the fact is, every woman is a little girl craving attention.  Give it to her.  Make her feel she's a princess and she'll let you be king.

[Ronnie]

GoUSA, it's not called being "whipped."  Those men you so label are "in charge" because they understand their women and know how to keep them under control. 

You, on the other, lost control of the situation, ran out on the marriage and complain that she abused you and controlled you.   Sounds a little like you lost that one with poor strategy and tactics.  Couldn't think of anything to do but run to the police and cry?

Are you getting any of this?

[gousa]

GoUSA, it's not called being "whipped."  Those men you so label are "in charge" because they understand their women and know how to keep them under control. 

You, on the other, lost control of the situation, ran out on the marriage and complain that she abused you and controlled you.   Sounds a little like you lost that one with poor strategy and tactics.  Couldn't think of anything to do but run to the police and cry?  Are you getting any of this?

My choice was to submit or fight.   My attorney and his young female paralegal advised me not to allow her bizarre attempt at control and dominance to happen.
The argument was the same one as usuall,  about who was going to be the financial boss.  I certianly never cry, I just do what's necessary.    There was no way I was going to sit there and debate about who was right or wrong.  When it comes to a battle of wills I win, period.  Sorry but there is no debate in the financial category, no female perspective.   I win by default.     Perhaps it was also a southern belle thing.    Maybe she was a southern belle.   But I'm certainly no southern gentleman and neither was her ex husband.   My ancestors were Celts and Norsemen.  Maybe that's a cultural thing.

Oh boy it sounds to like the women always need a psycholgist and you guys are doing a good job taking care of that.   Sounds like they are like beasts ready to break the cage. You guys are probably better diplomats than I am for sure.   I praise patience and understanding.   I just merely ran out of it.

Okay I'm just about done here and I vent alot and thanks for the discount.  A lot of people seem to like this debate.   As long as questions linger I'll try to answer them. Like I said before I presented my case to a female counselor for the last two years of the marriage and she saw nothing wrong other than I was anxiety ridden and appeared to need to make a choice.   

As for summations, like I said before my ex spent the months of last March and April following and stalking me around and crying and pouting.   Does that sound like a happy woman?    That business drove me nits just like everything else.  My move away north inspired her to move on.  I had previously kept the relationship open for repairs for her sake.  If she's happy now that's great.  I'm working on it.

Q:  2. You accuse KenC of being pussy whipped. But you are the one who, because of 'nagging' decided to do repairs instead of following the doctors advice. BTW was the vasectomy your idea or hers ?

A:  Of course I was whipped.  That's why I'm writing the details now.   Duh.
     Never again will I be whipped, man.  He's been logging useless insults most of the   time  anyway.  My thanks to everyone else.

Sorry guys but the broads will have to put up with me for awhile.  That Siberian tranlator seems interested.  But I'm not going to push it.    Whoever will probably want another house or something.  ugh

[BC]

 Women often refer to us as oversized boys and they are damn right if the truth be told.  But the fact is, every woman is a little girl craving attention.  Give it to her.  Make her feel she's a princess and she'll let you be king.

Very true and a 'cue' often missed.  I was just thinking about ebay, craigslist and a closet full of unused items, trying to figure out the dynamics involved.  This obviously was something that provided her with a bit of pleasure, but her mate did not involve himself at all except for complaining and grudgingly complete orders..  

At first sight unusual behavior on her part.. at second a grand opportunity missed by gousa.

She was doing nothing other than saying.. "Look what I found that I think we need!" instead of heading to the local mall (if there even is one).  She tried, tried and tried.. even ordered some BS items to see what happened.. to no avail.

My wife comes home from the market, shows me all the things she bought, puts on a little fashion show even having the kids put on the new clothes to show.. Just looking for a bit of praise.. that's all...

It can be so easy.

WRT purchases, I gave my wife all the cards that I have and told her in quite simple terms:  Anything that we really need just buy it.. no questions asked.. but lets discuss those things that are above and beyond first.  With these words I placed the responsibility on her shoulders.  To this day I have not regretted it and she has acted responsibly.  That doesn't mean I understand all her purchases though and sometimes do ask for clarification.  She is mostly right.

 

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I see this from eyes that almost was in gousa shoes. My first woman from the Ukraine was very much as Gousa describes. The first few months , and first dates the behavior did not show. 2nd trip the behavior came out with a vengeance. And the behavior is total incompatible with me.

Some guys here can live with a high maintenance woman, because that is what we are speaking of. I can not, have always known I can not. It was an agonizing choice to have to end my relationship taking a hard look at what the future would be, and it would have been very much as gousa describes.

Later I found out she thought she should really fly first class when she would move to the USA. When we talked about what car she could buy for her first, she was very very disappointed that she would not be receiving a vet.

I simply see gousa making a huge mistaking in not seeing the behavior early, and not knowing himself well enough to know that he could not live with that type of woman.

2nd mistake was he did not trust his gut, he knew he wanted a prenup, but then backed down in the end. He let his lady have her way on something that was very important to him.

I also see him as very very lucky to have escaped with only loosing 200k over 3 years in his adventure. Life could have been much worse.

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