Does Russia Suffer from Culture Cringe?

[Ronnie]

No I have the basic idea that all nation should take care of there own nation in the fisrt place, and if not it should be a UN decree

Who in the UN was against it?

[Makkin]

   Failue is always the only option for Russia these days and the days that follow.

[diverboy70]

Who in the UN was against it?

Of my knoledge the security council couldn't take any decsicion becuase of a lock down US vs Russia

[diverboy70]

I thinnk the OSCE is the organ that maybe can consiladte this if the Nato will back down a bit, Nato will just provoce Russia!

[diverboy70]

Makkin!!!!

Don't make a fool of yourself! I'm sure you are a nice guy, but you have to something more than that to support your oppinion! Russia is not bad by default and geeorgia is not either good!

[Makkin]

  Surely I can appear as a fool on my time but if you compliment me again I may blush..lol

  My trip to Finland comes soon as a friend is living there and by gosh he's from Texas..lol

  In any case I've read your opinions and clearly see where and how you stand. I agree that you have the freedom to do so and I'm sure your happy about that fact. The sad fact now is how to tell the Georgians and Russians that killing is probably not the best way to negotiate but then again Putin does not negotiate as I've read here..lol

Makkin

[chivo]

Surely I can appear as a fool on my time

No doubt

The sad fact now is how to tell the Georgians and Russians that killing is probably not the best way to negotiate
Makkin

Coming from an American, don't you think this is a little hypocritical?

I've read this and the other thread and must say I'm a little ashamed by the attitude of some Americans. The arrogance is unbelievable, well on second thought...
 
Who I find the most ridiculous are the ones who stand on a soapbox and decry Russia's position, while America is in Iraq.

I guess its OK if it serves your purpose. Boy, do some of you need to recognize.

chivo

[Misha]

Who I find the most ridiculous are the ones who stand on a soapbox and decry Russia's position, while America is in Iraq.

I guess its OK if it serves your purpose. Boy, do some of you need to recognize.

chivo

Well, it is possible to decry both the Russians in Georgia and the Americans in Iraq. Again, where do the failings of one, justify those of another?

[Ronnie]

No doubt


Coming from an American, don't you think this is a little hypocritical?

I've read this and the other thread and must say I'm a little ashamed by the attitude of some Americans. The arrogance is unbelievable, well on second thought...
 
Who I find the most ridiculous are the ones who stand on a soapbox and decry Russia's position, while America is in Iraq.

I guess its OK if it serves your purpose. Boy, do some of you need to recognize.

chivo

Chivo,
You're missing something..  The Americans have said they will happily leave when the duly elected government of Iraq asks them to.

Seems to me the duly elected government of Georgia has asked the Kremlin to leave.   When America does leave Iraq, it will not be after mining the infra-structure and blowing up vital facilities as Russia is doing and as S. Hussein did in leaving Kuwait.

Chivo, in defending the brutal actions of Russia's KGB (FSB) led autocracy, are you supporting the Russian people?  Feliks Dzherzhinky would be proud of you. 

Think about it.

[Shadow]

Chivo,
You're missing something..  The Americans have said they will happily leave when the duly elected government of Iraq asks them to.

Seems to me the duly elected government of Georgia has asked the Kremlin to leave.   When America does leave Iraq, it will not be after mining the infra-structure and blowing up vital facilities as Russia is doing and as S. Hussein did in leaving Kuwait.

Chivo, in defending the brutal actions of Russia's KGB (FSB) led autocracy, are you supporting the Russian people?  Feliks Dzherzhinky would be proud of you. 

Think about it.

Ronnie, if the duly elected government in Iraq would turn to Iran for help and then asks the Americans to leave, would you say that the Americans will happily leave ?

[Ronnie]

Ronnie, if the duly elected government in Iraq would turn to Iran for help and then asks the Americans to leave, would you say that the Americans will happily leave ?

I'm missing the point of your hypothetical question.  I assume you're trying to make one.  Maybe I assume too much.

[Shadow]

I'm missing the point of your hypothetical question.  I assume you're trying to make one.  Maybe I assume too much.

Probably.

[Makkin]

Chivo,

  Probably the best way to be a diplomat is to not obscure your feelings with the facts and negotiate for the goal of good. Maybe if you look at the good of all people and negotiate a way to make them better and proud of the service to mankind they give then the whole process of negotiation might make sense to you.
  On the other hand my friend sometimes the big stick needs to be firmly inserted where the sun don't shine to help the innocent and weak.

Makkin

[chivo]

Well, it is possible to decry both the Russians in Georgia and the Americans in Iraq. Again, where do the failings of one, justify those of another?

Of course. Unfortunately it always comes down to America=good, and Russia=bad. It's not always the case.

I hate when people die like this, but my opinion does nothing to change what will be.

I don't like the using of people as pawns to play political games. That's all that was done here. This time it was Russia's move.

Seems to me the duly elected government of Georgia has asked the Kremlin to leave.   When America does leave Iraq, it will not be after mining the infra-structure and blowing up vital facilities as Russia is doing and as S. Hussein did in leaving Kuwait.

First of all, I don't remember anyone asking for America's input in solving Iraq's problems. Seems to me we entered invaded at our own discretion.

But you're right, America will leave. It will be after they kill 100's of thousands of innocent people and amass a fortune in fraudulent infrascuture contracts. Let's talk about the second army the US has there, you know, the civilian one with BS contracts for things that will never be built, or built to line their pockets.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/pmcs-m03.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3500324.stm

Chivo, in defending the brutal actions of Russia's KGB (FSB) led autocracy, are you supporting the Russian people?  Feliks Dzherzhinky would be proud of you. 

Think about it.

I think about it a lot. Tell me, who's brutal actions do you defend? Bush's, Cheney's, Rumfeld's? I'm sure they're proud of you, the blind mice that follow when the piper plays.

Do us all a favor, take off the blindfold, well ok, I'll be nice. Do it after you sell your Haliburton stock.

chivo

[chivo]

Chivo,

  Probably the best way to be a diplomat is to not obscure your feelings with the facts and negotiate for the goal of good. Maybe if you look at the good of all people and negotiate a way to make them better and proud of the service to mankind they give then the whole process of negotiation might make sense to you.

Makes sense to me. Who decides this, you? I'm sure you think so.

On the other hand my friend sometimes the big stick needs to be firmly inserted where the sun don't shine to help the innocent and weak.

Makkin

Then I would wear industrial strength underwear if I were you. Personally, I use a 3 wood.

chivo

[BC]

Chivo,
You're missing something..  The Americans have said they will happily leave when the duly elected government of Iraq asks them to.

Then why in the heck were there negotiations just this week where the US insisted on staying?

Seems using your theory, there would have been very little to 'negotiate'..

[OlgaH]

Chivo,
 are you supporting the Russian people?  Feliks Dzherzhinky would be proud of you. 

Think about it.

So, Ronnie, what do you have against me and other Russian wives, our children?... we are all Russian people 

[OlgaH]

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[Ronnie]

Olga,

If you like corruption, criminality and murder in your leaders, then you can find all of it your heart desires in the KGB Kingdom formerly known as Russia.

If you want your sons conscripted into indentured servitude and have them subjected to beatings buy drunken officers with no recourse, then the KGB Kingdom formerly known as Russia may be just your cup of tea.

If you want your mayors, governors and other political officers hand picked from KGB operatives...you can have all you heart desires.

If you relish the idea of Russia being isolated from the modern world  with her citizens not having the ability to travel freely, then Colonel Putin's regime is just the ticket.

But there are those of us inside and outside of Russia who want more for her current citizens and future generations.  We want to see the day when Russia is a prosperous nation, a rich trading partner and reliable ally against those who will may rise up in the future to challenge the very idea and existence of Christianity and freedom.

That day will will not come as long as Russia is ruled rather than governed,  stripped rather than girded and continues to lose it's most precious of all resources; the good people of Russia.

There will be protests in Moscow against these self-serving KGB gangsters.  The only question that remains is will you join the protesters or will you mock them?

[OlgaH]

Olga,

If you like corruption, criminality and murder in your leaders

Do you think that such things as corruption, criminality and murder in  leaders don't exist in any other countries? Are you so naive?

So, according to your previous statement about "supporting Russian people" what should be done with all Russian population?

BTW Saakashvili is corruption, criminality and murder... 
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[OlgaH]

I have been living in Russia more than... years , as my mother and grandmother... I'm very well aware about situations in Russia, so it is not your business to teach me about it with your Anti-Russia propaganda. 

[OlgaH]

Olga,

If you relish the idea of Russia being isolated from the modern world  with her citizens not having the ability to travel freely, then Colonel Putin's regime is just the ticket.

As I know Russians travel around the world 

[OlgaH]

If you want your mayors, governors and other political officers hand picked from KGB operatives...you can have all you heart desires.

I guess KGB is a new name for a boogy man by Russophobes.  "Be a good child, otherwise KGB will get you"   :evil:

The Western Anti-Russia media causes paranoia...

[Misha]

BTW Saakashvili is corruption, criminality and murder... 

Based on what? Saakashvili, from all accounts, very effectively was winning the battle against corruption. This is seen, for example, in his efforts to clean up corruption in the police.

[OlgaH]

Based on what? Saakashvili, from all accounts, very effectively was winning the battle against corruption. This is seen, for example, in his efforts to clean up corruption in the police.

Violated elections are also corruption. When he won the battle against old corruption he has created his own corruption.