Will RW be allowed to Exit?

[2tallbill]

Before the fall of the FSU exit Visa's were incredibly few and considering
with Russia's negative population growth, increased nationalism, open
threats to their former satellites, shutting down of opposition press, etc. 

Is it possible that exit visas for RW could shortly become as rare as
Russian newspaper articles criticizing the Putin administration?
I think that in the not too distant future that traveling to Russia to find love could
very well be ending as we know it. 

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

[Doll]

I don't think so.

[Shadow]

Russia does not have exit visa at this time.

[Misha]

Russia, does however enforce passport checks before a person can leave Russia. Increasingly there are more reasons that can be used to stop a person from leaving (debt for example).

[viking]

Define exit visa in the context of a  K-1. I am unsure what you mean here.

[BC]

no problem encountered in 6 years.  Just about every country I've been in controls passports when exiting so nothing new there.

[kievstar]

Will not be a problem.  Even if Russia wants to prevent woman from there country going to certain countries.  You can just fly to say Egypt than USA.  USA citizens have been going to Cuba via Canada for a longtime.

[2tallbill]

I have been seeing noticeable changes in Russia, their saber rattling,
their encouraging people to have babies even offering to pay money
to people who have them. So it's obvious that the regime is taking their
negative population growth seriously.

I can see them consider putting some restrictions on losing educated woman of
child bearing age. I don't think that they will come out one day and simply say
nobody can leave. We all know they severely restricted RM & RW from leaving the
Soviet Union.

I am rambling since I already brought up these points. Maybe I am reading the tea leaves
completely wrong, I sincerely hope so.

Bill


 

[2tallbill]

Will not be a problem.  Even if Russia wants to prevent woman from there country going to certain countries.  You can just fly to say Egypt than USA.  USA citizens have been going to Cuba via Canada for a longtime.

Back in Soviet Days I don't think many RW flew to Egypt either.

[Mishenka]

I know you must have an exit visa to leave Uzbekistan on a fiance visa.  Freedom to leave could change if Putin continues on his current agenda to bring back the Old USSR. Word in the streets is " it is many Russians dream"  we are only a few years away from it. So, with the current state of affairs it seems Putin is right on schedule.

God forbid.

[Doll]

I am on a RW forum now and the women are arriving with no probs.
There is nothing to worry about, guys.

[I/O]

Bill: I don't think the real drivers in the Russian government are all that seriously interested in much other than their own personal wealth. A significant number of those people are the beneficiaries of at least some mafia (Organised crime) sponsored wealth, either directly or indirectly. Organised crime does quite well out of the MOB scene, therefore I don't think you will see direct moves to shut it down.

Given the way the RU government historically operates, IF there is a move at all, it is likely to be much more subtle. I suggest you would be more likely to see milage being made via the very efficient propaganda machine demonstrating the evils of the west along with the dangers of going there and to that extent, I wouldn't be surprised to see some leveraging off the current unrest in the southern adjacents.

The way Vlad is waffling on, they'll be sending RW across the pond on the back of ICB missiles soon so the situation might actually become simpler.

I know you must have an exit visa to leave Uzbekistan on a fiance visa.  Freedom to leave could change if Putin continues on his current agenda to bring back the Old USSR. Word in the streets is " it is many Russians dream"  we are only a few years away from it. So, with the current state of affairs it seems Putin is right on schedule.

God forbid.

He is right on track for sure. And.............he is just as dumb as those who brought it all about in the first place. His predecssors were suckered into an arms race and went broke trying to pull it off, the SU folded and the country imploded economically. Nostraldarmarse here is giving it 20 years if not less before the cycle repeats. IMO, the USA has set the bait (Poland and Czec) and the RU government is walking right into it because pride and nationalism won't/can't allow them to do anything else. The 700 billion RU is sitting on in international funds won't go far in that sort of race. The wealthy RU oil boys are not going to prop up national spending on defence, they didn't last time, they simply used the opportunity to pilpher state assetts. I can't at this time be convinced it will be any different this time around.

Bill, I wouldn't cancel your ticket for the next trip just yet. Worst case, Ukraine may become even more popular than it is now for the MOB boys.

I/O

[Mishenka]

I hope tensions will calm down but don't expect they will.  True they took the bait on US missile installation in Poland/Czech.  This will cause some new problems for the EU and NATO to deal with as threats from Putin are challenged.  As long as Gazprom is selling EU their oil and gas, Putin will have some finances to use, but as soon as international investors pull money out of Moscow and the oil and gas revenues stop coming in  the Russian bank will close its doors to thousands of nationals trying to withdraw funds.  The ruble is already down by 2 since the conflict. Investors pulled out 16 Billion USD from RU banks. There is nothing Putins propaganda machine can do about this one. Georgia was one thing, this is another.

As Stevie Wonder sings,, " Very superstitious ,,, writing on the wall.....

[wxman]

I also don't feel the Russian government will put the clamps down. First, it's not like a huge percentage of Russian women are leaving, it's probably just a fraction of a percent. Secondly, the lure of the west is waning quickly.

[msmoby_ru]

no problem encountered in 6 years.  Just about every country I've been in controls passports when exiting so nothing new there.

Annoyingly, and hopefully soon to be addressed the UK doesn't...

[2tallbill]

Bill: I don't think the real drivers in the Russian government are all that seriously interested in much other than their own personal wealth. A significant number of those people are the beneficiaries of at least some mafia (Organised crime) sponsored wealth, either directly or indirectly. Organised crime does quite well out of the MOB scene, therefore I don't think you will see direct moves to shut it down.

Bill, I wouldn't cancel your ticket for the next trip just yet. Worst case, Ukraine may become even more popular than it is now for the MOB boys.

I/O

Your organized crime angel was something I never considered.

I am not altering any of my plans, I am simply speculating about possible
scenarios. 

[Mishenka]

There are about 10,000 immigrants from Russia each year that come to USA legally. The population of Russia is down by about 2 + million over the last 8 years. Its clear they are leaving in large numbers. These numbers are stats from USCIS that don't include the people who come in on tourist, work or student visa's that never leave so I think you can triple that number to about 30,000 per year. I have no info on how many RW immigrate to European countries( I'm sure there are many)  It's also clear that many Russian men are coming to USA with their families as well as children so you must consider when one comes they bring the family over a period of 3 or 4 years time. There is no limit to the number of K-3 visa's issued. There is a limit on K-1's H-1's etc.  You can go to the Russian's in America myspace group and see the thousands of Ru members there. It would be quite interesting to count the Russian nationals population that has enlisted in the US military.  Can you imagine if there was a confrontation in the future?  what side would they choose?

It's just a thought, but I may have to google this one and see what numbers come up.

mishenka

[Ronnie]

There are about 10,000 immigrants from Russia each year that come to USA legally. The population of Russia is down by about 2 + million over the last 8 years. Its clear they are leaving in large numbers. These numbers are stats from USCIS that don't include the people who come in on tourist, work or student visa's that never leave so I think you can triple that number to about 30,000 per year. I have no info on how many RW immigrate to European countries( I'm sure there are many)  It's also clear that many Russian men are coming to USA with their families as well as children so you must consider when one comes they bring the family over a period of 3 or 4 years time. There is no limit to the number of K-3 visa's issued. There is a limit on K-1's H-1's etc.  You can go to the Russian's in America myspace group and see the thousands of Ru members there. It would be quite interesting to count the Russian nationals population that has enlisted in the US military.  Can you imagine if there was a confrontation in the future?  what side would they choose?

It's just a thought, but I may have to google this one and see what numbers come up.

mishenka

Mishenka, a decline of only 2million over the past 8 years is conservative.  I've read that there has been a decline from 149million to 144million in the past decade.  Russia has a very high rate of death.  Each year 15 Russians die out of every 1,000. 
The major problem with Russia seems to be the demographic make up is moving toward 50% of the population being pensioners in 20 years.

As to Russian immigrants enlisting in the US military, I know of two such and two more who plan to when they get their green cards.  Enlistment allows immigrant to immediately be eligible for citizenship.  Russian men in the US military is far a less of a concern than Russian men in the Russian military. 

A lot has been made about the strength of the Russian invasion force in Georgia.  While it's possible that the quality of the soldiers has improved since Bosnia, but I know that during that action, Russian units were placed under NATO command.  One British commander said they were "less than useless."  I don't know what was meant by that comment but I don't think he was very impressed with their training and discipline.  Maybe Russia didn't send their best units, who knows?  By contrast, the British army is regarded as extremely well disciplined and trained so the contrast may have been stark.

PS.  This is the first I've heard of there being a limit on K1 visas.  I would verify that Mishenka.

[msmoby_ru]

 

A lot has been made about the strength of the Russian invasion force in Georgia.  While it's possible that the quality of the soldiers has improved since Bosnia, but I know that during that action, Russian units were placed under NATO command.  One British commander said they were "less than useless."  I don't know what was meant by that comment but I don't think he was very impressed with their training and discipline.  Maybe Russia didn't send their best units, who knows?  By contrast, the British army is regarded as extremely well disciplined and trained so the contrast may have been stark.

Thanks to Americans, who thought it was a good to give money to the IRA ( believing they were liberating the people of N.I. who were [in the majority] quite happy to stay British)  the British Army had more experience - back then - of urban warfare

Who knows, following Iraq and Chechnya The US and Russian troops might be more up to speed......

[William3rd]

Before the fall of the FSU exit Visa's were incredibly few and considering
with Russia's negative population growth, increased nationalism, open
threats to their former satellites, shutting down of opposition press, etc. 

Is it possible that exit visas for RW could shortly become as rare as
Russian newspaper articles criticizing the Putin administration?
I think that in the not too distant future that traveling to Russia to find love could
very well be ending as we know it. 

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

A country can contril the passports of their nationals, either by issuance or by restrictive regulations. More likely would be a limit on visas issued to nationals of other countries-such as the US

[Mishenka]

Mishenka, a decline of only 2million over the past 8 years is conservative.  I've read that there has been a decline from 149million to 144million in the past decade.  Russia has a very high rate of death.  Each year 15 Russians die out of every 1,000. 
The major problem with Russia seems to be the demographic make up is moving toward 50% of the population being pensioners in 20 years.

As to Russian immigrants enlisting in the US military, I know of two such and two more who plan to when they get their green cards.  Enlistment allows immigrant to immediately be eligible for citizenship.  Russian men in the US military is far a less of a concern than Russian men in the Russian military. 

A lot has been made about the strength of the Russian invasion force in Georgia.  While it's possible that the quality of the soldiers has improved since Bosnia, but I know that during that action, Russian units were placed under NATO command.  One British commander said they were "less than useless."  I don't know what was meant by that comment but I don't think he was very impressed with their training and discipline.  Maybe Russia didn't send their best units, who knows?  By contrast, the British army is regarded as extremely well disciplined and trained so the contrast may have been stark.

PS.  This is the first I've heard of there being a limit on K1 visas.  I would verify that Mishenka.

Last i read the population of Russia was 142 million and change. In any case the population is down in the last 18 years.
The limit for certain visas is 5000 per year per country on the eligible list to a max of 55,000   Then there are Diversity visas, Spouse visa's k1, 2, K 3 have no limit. Work visas 4 month stay, 6 month visitors, the list goes on but some are non immigrant. no sense in posting all that here.

[Ronnie]

Thanks to Americans, who thought it was a good to give money to the IRA ( believing they were liberating the people of N.I. who were [in the majority] quite happy to stay British)  the British Army had more experience - back then - of urban warfare

Who knows, following Iraq and Chechnya The US and Russian troops might be more up to speed......

Mark,
As an American with Irish heritage, I regret the misguided Private support by some of my Catholic countrymen given to the IRA.  That was indeed disgraceful.  I hope those who did so regret their misguided zeal.

[Ronnie]

Last i read the population of Russia was 142 million and change. In any case the population is down in the last 18 years.
The limit for certain visas is 5000 per year per country on the eligible list to a max of 55,000   Then there are Diversity visas, Spouse visa's k1, 2, K 3 have no limit. Work visas 4 month stay, 6 month visitors, the list goes on but some are non immigrant. no sense in posting all that here.

I'm still confused.  Are you saying K1/K2 are limited?  Remember, these are technically non-immigrant visas and are specifically not subject to numerical limitation.

[Mishenka]

No not at all they are not limited, k1, 2, and 3 are not. DV are limited as are some others.  It would make sense a K3 would be more easily approved than a K1 because they are already married to a US citizen,  a fiance' visa has a track record of being  a month or 2 quicker to process and a little less paperwork in most cases but will expire in 3 months where the spouse visa expires in 2 years, virtually a K3 is a 2 year green card so it costs more to process in the short term. 

As far as exit visa's being a problem for some FSU countries, this is yet to be determined by those countries.  I hear there have been some problems in the past with women from Latvia, Belarus and Uzbekistan for example. I hear from women themselves,  their countries do not want to loose their women from the workforce, because more women work than men, and women are more productive in the work place. Its just personal opinions and fears in the street. I don't think there is any actual proof of this.

[Ronnie]

No not at all they are not limited, k1, 2, and 3 are not. DV are limited as are some others.  It would make sense a K3 would be more easily approved than a K1 because they are already married to a US citizen,  a fiance' visa has a track record of being  a month or 2 quicker to process and a little less paperwork in most cases but will expire in 3 months where the spouse visa expires in 2 years, virtually a K3 is a 2 year green card so it costs more to process in the short term. 

Okay then.  I assume you mispoke when you wrote:

There is a limit on K-1's H-1's etc