scam agency or just dishonest practice

[Kevin]

I wanted to get some comment from Men seeking Ladies about a procedure used by some agencies. (note: Not my agency)

Would you call this procedure. Dis-honest, scam agency, or just doing business.

The procedure is very simple.
1. Get the men to join the site. Basic information only. Name, age and country. No other information is required but can be asked.

Procedure 2. Have the computer software send the men 10-15 letters from very attracted ladies.   Keep in mind the ladies do not read the men profile.

MONEY. 3. Request the men to pay to read the letters  or have the letters written in such a way to give the impression that the letter were written for him and the men must pay to respond.


Question: Did this agency just scam you? Was just dishonest? or using these hot ladies to generate business?

How to test your agency.  1. Create a new profile. 2. Set age to 60, Upload a picture of a animal, in description tell who ever is read this that you are checking to see if the agency allows letters to be sent without the lady see the profile. 3. Count how many letters you get.


Kevin

[Ben Armen]

Kevin,

Obviously this is scam.  To directly accept money from a woman that did not even read a profile.  If the woman's profile was misstated by like 10 kilos it would be labeled dishonest (or American lol).  I have noticed that when one is in a dishonest arena such as this you need sometimes a reality check.  I feel that way myself.  though I never used your agency your reputation is excellent and can clearly tell you are one of us looking out for us and not an AM who is one of them...  Keep up the good work?

Ben

[SANDRO43]

Question: Did this agency just scam you? Was just dishonest? or using these hot ladies to generate business?

I'd say all three apply, and I cannot really fathom the difference between the first two alternatives: while scamming implies dishonesty by definition IMO, dishonesty often includes scam, fraud, deception or whatever other low conduct one may think of.

As for generating business, i.e. revenue i.e. money, there are both honest and dishonest ways of doing that, with a myriad of intermediate, bordering alternatives .

Kevin, what is the purpose of your question ?

[Jack]

Kevin, these letters that were sent to the men, were they written in such a way that it looked like the ladies had seen the man's profile and photo and had interest to meet him, or was interested in knowing more about him?  And your saying the ladies did not read profile or see photo?

I do not know how you will answer that question but if the answer is yes, then scam, scam, scam. Using hot ladies to generate scam business.

[Admin]

Good topic - definition of a "scam".

A few comments:

* Anyone should be aware that an agency is 'in business' to make money.
* Merely making an offer to a customer, or prospective customer, is NOT a scam.
* Offers that purport to something they are not, are clearly DISHONEST - but falls short of a "scam".
* A "scam" only occurs if there is a monetary transaction. That is, a person cannot claim to be "scammed" if he/she has never lost any money to the fraudulent offer.

Some time ago Jack had a gal at FirstDream who was *extremely* selective - *extremely* demanding - *extremely* beautiful. She was often accused of being a "scammer" because she was quite forthright about her expectations that any suitor would provide her a lavish lifestyle. Jack, and others, argued that she was NOT a scammer because she was very honest about her demands - and any man who would wish to pursue a relationship with her would know immediately what she expected.

In the case of a commercial offerer (agency), any person who elects to join or register with that commercial agency, should reasonably expect that agency to have self-interest in generating revenue - which means, charging fees to their customers. None of them (to my knowledge, anyway) are altruistic.

Some of those agencies are going to be more, or less, aggressive about presenting its propositions for sales - but they will ALL, sooner or later, have a primary interest in separating their customers from some of their (the customer's) money.

The aggressive and less ethical agencies, do not seem to mind making a proposition using tactics that are blatantly dishonest. Still, it cannot be said that making the offer is a "scam" unless there is no fulfillment of the proposition and the 'mark' for the scam has lost money to the fraud.

We often see our members write that it is really quite easy to avoid being scammed. Simply don't send money to someone (anyone) you have never met. Seems pretty simple to me - but then again, I have the benefit of being exposed to the great information here at RWD for a very long time. Perhaps I would feel differently if I have been scammed - but I doubt it.

- Dan

[Kevin]

My definition of scam is more simple.

A scam is one a person/company request money for an item/service for the goal of making money while giving the impression that a service/item is being provided.

For a lady it is as simple as asking for money for a visa/gift/medical with no intention of having a relationship.
For an agency is it as simple as providing misleading information/letters or matchmaking in the hopes of making money.

By using the terms, Credits instead of the term Money or "first letter" instead of saying you meet the requirements of a lady and here is her intro letter to you. Please pay to read it. But be aware that she has no ideal you are getting it and may have no interested in you.   If this "first letter" was a free service. I would agre no scam has occurred. But when they agency ask for money to read a letter from a lady who never read your profile or has any ideal the letter was sent. It isn't a business model unless you call it a money making model.

"* Merely making an offer to a customer, or prospective customer, is NOT a scam. " I agree unless the men is being sent letters that might be written by the ladies but wasn't sent to the men by the lady but by some software program.

 When you remove the lady from the action of sending the letter to the men and it is done by the agency and not by the lady. This is where I believe a agency crossed the line.

Kevin

[Shadow]

Asking for a gift with no intention of a relationship is not a scam in my eyes.
Asking for money with no intention of spending it on the suggested target is.

As for the agency, how can it be determined that the computer software is sending out the replies ?
In fact in the time I was registered (or scavenged) by such agencies the profiles of the reacting ladies suggestd a very inadequate piece of software if any.

Mostly the large networks are accused of this kind of 'scam'. However one should either have proof that it is software, or it can also be that the subagencies, which receive money for the credits used, are using their employees to react on new applicants.
Without inner knowledge of the modus operandi and software, it is impossible to determine who is sending out the reactions and if they are real or dishonest ones.

If one was to go and find out where the dishonesty originates, it would have to be in the process of a business audit.
Such audits are possible but would need a recognized organization as backing.

[Admin]

My definition of scam is more simple.

A scam is one a person/company request money for an item/service for the goal of making money while giving the impression that a service/item is being provided.

For a lady it is as simple as asking for money for a visa/gift/medical with no intention of having a relationship.
For an agency is it as simple as providing misleading information/letters or matchmaking in the hopes of making money.

By using the terms, Credits instead of the term Money or "first letter" instead of saying you meet the requirements of a lady and here is her intro letter to you. Please pay to read it. But be aware that she has no ideal you are getting it and may have no interested in you.   If this "first letter" was a free service. I would agre no scam has occurred. But when they agency ask for money to read a letter from a lady who never read your profile or has any ideal the letter was sent. It isn't a business model unless you call it a money making model.

"* Merely making an offer to a customer, or prospective customer, is NOT a scam. " I agree unless the men is being sent letters that might be written by the ladies but wasn't sent to the men by the lady but by some software program.

 When you remove the lady from the action of sending the letter to the men and it is done by the agency and not by the lady. This is where I believe a agency crossed the line.

Kevin

Kevin,

To be clear about a few things:

* You presume, and are probably correct, that the 'profiles' of the ladies being presented to the new member of that agency are sent by an automated script. So what?
* I believe there are MANY such scripts for most major matchmaking sites. Simply providing photos of profiles is clearly NOT a scam.
* We do not know if the agency has any agreement/understanding with the ladies that their profiles would be distributed - but it is likely. For example, doesn't Khersongirls tell the ladies that their profiles will be distributed on the internet?
* Some agencies - not all - have a business model that calls for payment each time someone reads a letter from a girl. This is VERY similar to the 'scammer' at Jack's site - but was not really a scammer at all, because it was honestly disclosed. If the agency states that they are going to charge you for a service - and then you accept that service - where is the scam?

- Dan

[Kevin]

Shadow
I do a simple test. I create a profile with an age, name and in some cases if they ask for a description I would put in English. Do not write me. This is a test to see if you are reading the profile. I am married. I do not want any letters. If you write me I would consider it a scam".  If the site ask for a photo I typically put grumpy on of the seven dwarfs.  For any other info. 2.5ft tall. 500lbs.

I make the profile so obvious that anyone reading it would know it isn't real.

but when I get 15-20 hot ladies letters within 24hrs. Some of the letters saying I am their dream men.  There is only 2 options.

1. The agents are sending out letters on behalf of ladies to new members without reading the profiles in order to make a commission on read letters.
2. The agency software is sending out "canned" letters sometimes called "first letters" to the men for Money.

To read the letters it cost money.  For men who create real profile and gets these letter will believe they are from the ladies.   When you create a false profile and get the same letters. I call it a scam for money.

I recommend that everyone test their agency. Create a second account with a new email address and see if you are getting the same letters from the same ladies.

kevin

[Kevin]

Dan
"Simply providing photos of profiles is clearly NOT a scam." True I send out letters once a week of new ladies profiles.

when I get a letter that said" You have new e-mails in your *********** mailbox." it is referring to emails and when it is full of letters from ladies that I must pay to read.  I have the "money" factor of a scam.  If it was just a list of ladies profile, I was say advertisment. But it is a list of letters from ladies to me.

** Khersongirls.com does not send out letters to men without the written permission of the lady that specified which profile by number will get the letter. We offer a "intro Letter" service for both the men and ladies. But these letters say "intro Letter" in the description. Are FREE to the Men.  Every letter from a lady to a men is hand written and the original is keep in the office. A scan copy can be requested at any time. Each letter is for a SINGLE men only.  Our agents are paid. ZERO to send letters to men from their ladies. All translations are free so their is no motivated to say a lady doesn't speak English.  ** We do have permission to post the ladies profile on the web site.

*Requirement for payment to read a lady from a lady is legit. ONLY when the lady sends it personally. Requestion payment for a letter from a "lady" that she isn't aware of isn't.  If I felt the ladies where involved in the letters I wouldn't have a case. But I honestly do not believe they are reading my profiles. 

Kevin

[Jack]

Some agencies - not all - have a business model that calls for payment each time someone reads a letter from a girl. This is VERY similar to the 'scammer' at Jack's site - but was not really a scammer at all, because it was honestly disclosed.

WHAT!!!    Some agencies have a business model that calls for payment each time someone reads a letter from a girl. This is VERY similar to the 'scammer' at Jack's site-but was not really a scammer???

Dan, we have NEVER had, and we NEVER will have ANY type service or business model where we charge a payment (or a scam credit) for someone to read a ladies letter or e-mail.  Please remember we provide all the direct contact information we have of each lady to the client, we, as an agency, do NOT want to be in the middle of two people communicating with each other, it prevents the type of scamming that Kevin is talking about.   Again, we have never had any type service where the lady or client is being charged to open an e-mail, this is why we put the client and lady into direct contact, so this type of scamming cannot happen.

With the lady you are referring to, a lady from Moscow, at the time she stated she would only consider a man who made at least $100,000 a year in income.  This was told to men, that she only wanted to consider a man who she thought made a good income and would be a good provider.

A man who was going to buy her contact information said she was a scammer. I asked why. He said because she only wanted a man who made at least $100,000 a year.  I asked him how was that making her a scammer?   She was being truthful.  Just as most men will only consider a beautiful woman, why will they not consider an ugly woman? Because it's not what they want.  Svetlana has rights also, she wanted a man who made a good income. She was upfront about this.

Now how and the hell does that situation have to do with an agency who charges men every time they open a woman's e-mail or sends a women an e-mail? 

[Faux Pas]

Several years ago when I first found myself interested in this pursuit, the very first introduction site/agency I signed up with and paid money to was Global Ladies/ Russian Women. Two different sites but the same one if that makes sense. I think they've since changed their name and morphed into one site. After I paid I discovered what I still to this day, call a scam.

Anyway, I found a couple of ladies that I wished to write to. It required paying money into an account and charged $5 bucks for each letter. I paid $100 thinking I would probably use that in a few weeks at $5 bucks a letter. The next day I was a bit surprised at all the interest (apparently) my profile created. There were about 40 letters. I thought this odd because I had only written to 2 women. I opened all that was in my inbox at $5 a shot and wrote some back until I realized none of these ladies had seen my profile. They were all blanket letters and I was pretty sure not sent by the ladies. I suspected the computer or the agency detected a new account with money and sent the letters. I believe that to this day.

Now that is a scam. I don't see any borderline to it. Dishonest and designed to cheat. Needless to say I learned a very valuable $100 lesson

[diverboy70]

It's been said before! There are honest agencies with dishonest girls and vice versa. I also said this before, I chose to go with "dating sites" such as bride.ru and freepersonals.ru. I also signed up with EM, but i felt that i got more honest responses with the "dating sites" But also a lot of scammers!

I know it may be hard to spot the sincere girls as a beginner in this, because you don't really know what to look for. I also took a few bumps before I realized that I didn't deal with a serious girl. But I never sent any money, so I can't say that i was scammed. The first time I ever have sent any money is this week, when I sent some money to my girl for tickets to come and meet me in Helsinki again (after three meetings)

But when you meet a serious girl you will know it, and even if it wont work out you are basically imune to scammers in the future . In hindsight, the difference between a scammer and a real girl is so obvious!

[Admin]

WHAT!!!    Some agencies have a business model that calls for payment each time someone reads a letter from a girl. This is VERY similar to the 'scammer' at Jack's site-but was not really a scammer???

Dan, we have NEVER had, and we NEVER will have ANY type service or business model where we charge a payment (or a scam credit) for someone to read a ladies letter or e-mail.  Please remember we provide all the direct contact information we have of each lady to the client, we, as an agency, do NOT want to be in the middle of two people communicating with each other, it prevents the type of scamming that Kevin is talking about.   Again, we have never had any type service where the lady or client is being charged to open an e-mail, this is why we put the client and lady into direct contact, so this type of scamming cannot happen.

With the lady you are referring to, a lady from Moscow, at the time she stated she would only consider a man who made at least $100,000 a year in income.  This was told to men, that she only wanted to consider a man who she thought made a good income and would be a good provider.

A man who was going to buy her contact information said she was a scammer. I asked why. He said because she only wanted a man who made at least $100,000 a year.  I asked him how was that making her a scammer?   She was being truthful.  Just as most men will only consider a beautiful woman, why will they not consider an ugly woman? Because it's not what they want.  Svetlana has rights also, she wanted a man who made a good income. She was upfront about this.

Now how and the hell does that situation have to do with an agency who charges men every time they open a woman's e-mail or sends a women an e-mail? 

Easy.

Woman says; "I only want a man that earns $100,000 per year or more." Man who does not earn $100,000 claims she is a scammer. Nope - she was up-front and honest about her demands.

Agency says; "If you want to communicate with lady 'Z', the fee to read her email is $xx." Man who does not wish to pay $xx, claims agency is scamming. Nope - agency was up-front and honest about their demands.

Direct parallel.

- Dan

[SANDRO43]

Agency says; "If you want to communicate with lady 'Z', the fee to read her email is $xx." Man who does not wish to pay $xx, claims agency is scamming. Nope - agency was up-front and honest about their demands.

Provided the letter was indeed from Lady 'Z', otherwise it's a scam/fraud, as in the case of YEVA4U .

[Admin]

Provided the letter was indeed from Lady 'Z', otherwise it's a scam/fraud, as in the case of YEVA4U .

I have no clue about YEVA4U, or any other agency for that matter.

What I *do* think is that the answer to this DEPENDS. It depends on what the agency offers and describes to members who join up. The 'value proposition' the agency offers is to provide access to women that men would otherwise have difficult accessing. Why else would one join/engage an agency?

If the value the agency offers is to provide access to ladies through the presentation of profiles/photos that may interest the men - and *if* they have the prerogative (granted to them by the women whose profiles are in their database) of presenting those profiles to potentially interested men - then sending profiles to men who join the agency should not be a surprise - should it?

Kevin offers 'evidence' because the profile he created was bogus and clearly NOT serious and still received many unsolicited responses - BUT - should an agency expect or build their systems to expect this sort of ruse?! It strikes me that most agencies are going to reasonably assume that, if a person makes the investment of time to register an account, that person is sincerely interested in the services the agency offers. The fact that someone registers a bogus account cannot reasonably be used as the basis for claiming scam. It is non sequitor.

Sorry folks, I am still NOT seeing the scam. I see an agency offering a service and describing their terms for accessing that service. No scam there - right?

If the profiles they send to the man states that the women, themselves, have initiated the contact - then that would be DISHONEST - but it still is not a scam if the guy has not spent any money (or credits).

If, however, the agency sends the profiles but does NOT make any claims that the profiles were sent by the women themselves - then it is merely the agency advertising for the ladies in their database and seeking interest from their new members.

What am I missing?

- Dan

[Faux Pas]

Dan,

What you are missing is the agency sending a letter on behalf of the lady that was not sent by the lady. Yet the receiver is led to believe it was sent by the lady. That is clearly a deception on part of the agency. When they collect money for perpetrating a deception, that is a scam. I can't see a gray area here.  :noidea:

[Admin]

Dan,

What you are missing is the agency sending a letter on behalf of the lady that was not sent by the lady. Yet the receiver is led to believe it was sent by the lady. That is clearly a deception on part of the agency. When they collect money for perpetrating a deception, that is a scam. I can't see a gray area here.  :noidea:

FP,

Yes, if what occurs is that the agency sends a 'fabricated' email (containing text that purports to be from the lady) - that is dishonest and a fraud.

Please keep in mind, I have no first-hand experience with any of these agencies - as a customer.

Does the agency send a fabricated email?

- Dan

[Shadow]

As said before, this is a very gray area and one can not find exactly what is going on without a clear view of the business and software procedures.
There are many options:

1. The letters are fabricated by the internet agencies software.
In this case it is a clear dishonest practice, and if the clients spends money it can be seen as scam. However this can only work if the internet software uses profiles that are created for this purpose. If they use real profiles the local agencies that receive the letters will have to be 'in' on the deception and change the replies to the women as being first contact or delete them before the women find out their profiles are used. Unless the business pays very well or is 'mafia' controlled that would come out within limited time.
If there are special profiles created by the internet agency, they should be able to be spotted as they would have some common features.

2. The letters are fabricated by the local agencies that are part of the network.
A more possible scenario where local subagencies use the structure of the network to earn money, without the main internet agency being guilty of doing this. The subagency will send out letters to new applicants, and cash money for the replies.
As they are the ones putting and guarding the profiles they will be able to catch the replies.
But as subagencies have a limited area it would be possible to spot the bad ones on gographical location, providing it is not a common allowed practice.

3. The letters are fabricated, but not dishonestly.
What ?? Yes there is a possibility that the letters are not from the women, but not meant as scam. My wife did not place her own profile, although she did know what it said. Although she was not listed in a traditional marriage agency, she paid a 'ghost agency' to place her profile and help in seeking candidates. This meant that some letters of interest were sent out, and the nutcases were weeded out from the men contacting her. As she had a good level of English, she wrote most of the replies her self but in other cases the translated letters were done by the 'ghost agency'.

As said, it would take a business audit to find out how the letters reach the 'empty' profiles and to see if the internet agency allows or actively participates in these practices.

As for advise it remains clear that the men should be the ones who initiate the contact, and only reply after carefully reading the profile and confirming that the criteria match their own.
And of course here is the place to continue warning against these practices.

[Gator]

Over my six years of meeting and dating RW I had corresponded with about 50 women:  90% of them directly without using an agency.  That is the best way to go.

During one trip I tried working with three agencies in a pay-by-the-letter system. 
The most active agency sent me about 8-10 unsolicited letters over four months.  I responded to and later met a couple of those women. 

The two women had not studied my specific profile before the first letter.  However, they had earlier asked the agency to arrange meetings with men, and the agency simply played matchmaker. 

After I responded to the intro letters, the woman answered and we exchanged 4-6 letters before my trip.  Only when they knew I was coming to meet them did they study my profile.  One UW was enthusiastic during our meetings and the other lukewarm.  Both knew what I had written in my letters. 

In my case I do not think it is a scam because the women are real and they do want to meet Western men.  The agency fully expects (and hopes) a man to meet multiple women.   The man is scamming himself if he becomes so attracted to one of these women that he corresponds for many months and does a WOVO trip.

IMO it would be clearly a scam if the women had no serious interest in the particular man and the agency could ascertain that knowing the women's expectations.

[Admin]

Folks,

This topic raised a few questions - and ideas.

For instance - these questions:

* What is the DUTY an agency owes the ladies they represent? I have heard from at least a few women that they felt the agency was NOT active enough in promoting their profile.

* Our site has a large proportion of men, so it is not surprising that most of the perspectives expressed here would be from the man's perspective. HOWEVER - what if you were a RW and were seeking an agency to list your profile. What would you desire the agency to do FOR YOU?

Now a couple of comments:

* I have long-held that blacklist sites are a BAD idea and are inherently inequitable in their assertions. Of course some individual listings are quite right, but there is so much opportunity for abuse and mis-characterization of "scam" and "scammer" that I just find those blacklist sites as fundamentally corrupt.

* Here we have a good example. When we begin to isolate the EXACT behaviors, we have to consider a great number of factors - such as motives of the parties (are the ladies sincere - does the agency have a DUTY - is the man seeking a ruse - etc).

* Whereas I believe that the presentation of profiles and photos to new members is NOT at all fraudulent (in fact, it could be described as the DUTY of the agency as they represent the interests of the women) - if they fabricate text and claim it is legitimate - then we have a fraud.

* Scamming is NOT a legitimate claim unless there is a monetary loss. That is - failure to fulfill on the terms of the offer - AND a clear and unequivocal deception - in combination with a loss of money. FP's description seems a clear case of scamming - although even there, we need to see some of the detailed pages and texts to know for sure - but I believe him.

So here is what I am thinking - and would like to know YOUR thoughts:

* How about we set up several of our LEGITIMATE single male members (maybe female too) - and RWD will support their memberships at several agencies.
* Those members will provide a detailed recounting of their experiences in the open forum - the bad, the good, the details - so that we can see SPECIFICS of the experience - and our entire membership can witness the scamming (or lack thereof) behaviors.
* I am NOT interested in Commercial members being among those RWD supports in this project - due to the obvious conflict of interest.

What do y'all think of this notion?

- Dan

[Kevin]

We need to look back to the "test profile" I submitted. It did not include anything but a name and age. If a lady is searching for a men. I would expect she would not write a personal letter to just a name and age only. She would want to know more. I didn't profile anything.  No grounds for a lady to respond.  In the second agency I tested I did include a cartoon photo and wording not to write me with enough details that if the profile was read the lady wouldn't write.

I see no reason for a lady to write to any of my test profiles. I do not believe the lady is writing me. If I read the letter they are generic. One of my test profile has the name. "NO Spam" and I got some letters address "No Spam I think we are compatible. " .  It was clearly a software written letter.

This thread is to decide if agencies who use software to send out letter to clients based on gender only. Should they be consider a scam if the men is require to pay to read the letter or is the agency just dis-honest by sending out (first letters) to men based on the criteria that the lady agreed on. (Male).

Lets keep it focus on this topic. People who subject full profile and get letters based on their profile, could be getting real letters.  Test profiles should get no letters if in fact the lady are seeing the profiles.

kevin

[Kevin]

* What is the DUTY an agency owes the ladies they represent? I have heard from at least a few women that they felt the agency was NOT active enough in promoting their profile.

^^ An agency should promote the lady by listing them on the site. Sending out newsletters that include the ladies profile. Recommending ladies to certain men. matchmaking and letter services.

--- An agency should not write letters to men from ladies. An agency should not send letter to men without the ladies knowledge. The agency should require the ladies to look at the men profile.

?? Exception would be matchmaking service. Whereas the agency will send out the profile of a lady to a certain group of men. However it should be clearly noted that the letters where sent to introduce the lady (intro letter) and does not guarantee a interest by the ladies, but should be used for consideration.  It should be a paid matchmaking service and not hidden as a private letter from the lady.


* Our site has a large proportion of men, so it is not surprising that most of the perspectives expressed here would be from the man's perspective. HOWEVER - what if you were a RW and were seeking an agency to list your profile. What would you desire the agency to do FOR YOU?

If the RW expect an agency to provide services for her. She should have the same rights as the Men do and be expected to pay for such services. If the RW isn't paying for such service and the Men are. The rights of service belong to the paying customer.

The RW should have a guarantee that her contact information would not be given to a stranger without her concent. The RW should have the right to refuse a meeting or letters/gifts ect from Men that do not meet her age requirement.  Once the meeting occurs the RW should have the same rights and the Client.

kevin

[Shadow]

We need to look back to the "test profile" I submitted. It did not include anything but a name and age. If a lady is searching for a men. I would expect she would not write a personal letter to just a name and age only. She would want to know more. I didn't profile anything.  No grounds for a lady to respond.  In the second agency I tested I did include a cartoon photo and wording not to write me with enough details that if the profile was read the lady wouldn't write.

I see no reason for a lady to write to any of my test profiles. I do not believe the lady is writing me. If I read the letter they are generic. One of my test profile has the name. "NO Spam" and I got some letters address "No Spam I think we are compatible. " .  It was clearly a software written letter.

This thread is to decide if agencies who use software to send out letter to clients based on gender only. Should they be consider a scam if the men is require to pay to read the letter or is the agency just dis-honest by sending out (first letters) to men based on the criteria that the lady agreed on. (Male).

Lets keep it focus on this topic. People who subject full profile and get letters based on their profile, could be getting real letters.  Test profiles should get no letters if in fact the lady are seeing the profiles.

kevin

Software probably, but who is running the software ?
If subagencies have the option of receiving a listing with the profiles of new men daily, it is relatively simple to write a script that will send an answer using the listing. There are numerous programmers in the FSU who could write this within a couple of hours.
The criteria used in the script could include age, matched words from the profile or nothing at all, depending on the wishes of the subagency
 
Do you have any kind of direct knowledge that the software is ran by an internet agency, or is that what you have been told by others ?

There is a bottom line that unless you can prove that the women who react on the test profiles do not exist or are not actively seeking, the incoming letters might not be a scam but just a way to drive as much traffic (and money) to the subagencies business as possible.

[Kevin]

It is my understanding that the agents do see new profiles.  So I do expect the agents to be loading letters. But this can only be done with the agencies knowledge. Since when I complained in the past the agent was not removed.

Part 2.
Should a false profile be used to test agencies.   Some say that by using a test profile you can not verify a scam or not scam practice.  It is my opinion that a test profile shows without a daught if the lady is reading the profile.  The other side is the argument that a lady can write a men without knowledge of the men except for age.

The only defence for writing a false profile is the lady is only interested in age and country. Since no other information was given during my first test.

Does anyone reading this thread agree that a lady should be allowed and is justified on sending a letter to men based only on Age, Name or Country?

Do any of you men send letters to ladies without looking at her profile photo's?

.. Is it a scamming practice to send letters to men based on age only? ...
.. Should an agency used software to send out "first letters" to Men who meet the ladies age requirements?

Note: It would be very easy for me to write software to send out a generic letter from all ladies to men who meet a ladies age requirement. however I fell personally that is would generate a lot of money, but not marriages. Therefore I wouldn't do it.
Kevin