If I had it to do all over again, I dont think I would even leave the airport in

[Blues Fairy]

Frankly I think you Enot are that 1 person without the brain.

Look here.  Combined female population of RU + UA is 13 times that of combined population of Belarus + Moldova.
You say, there are MORE "good and serious" women in Belarus + Moldova than in Russia + Ukraine.

Now do the math.  Based on your hypothesis, what is the share of "good and serious" women among all the women of Russia and Ukraine? It's a simple equation, really.

[Enot]

Faux means fake.  Faux Pas means mistake.

[groovlstk]

Enot, you're more slippery than a politician, yet not as polished.

Common sense doesn't hold up in a court of law, supporting evidence (like observations and documentation ... not opinions or common sense) does.  So there is a BIG difference and I suggest you learn it.   

So FP posts some statistics and documentation, and you change course, just the way you've done in this thread with vocabulary:

Population has no bearing on the number of "good and serious" women in a country.  You've only stated numbers and your opinions.

How's this for documentation on why Moldovan women have a little extra incentive to marry foreigners? I'm sure only the "good and serious" ones apply, right?

Moldova Falling Apart As Corruption, Poverty Force Half the Country to Leave
Stuck in mis-rule, hundreds of thousands of Moldovan citizens would rather be Romanian. This year, more than half of the country will apply for citizenship.
http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/node/638

Half of the country is looking to flee to Romania - no bed or roses in and of itself!

Moldova: Crisis Looms Ss Workforce Flees
"There aren't any opportunities here for young people, the salaries are miserly. They are too small to pay even for transport, let alone to eat properly, buy decent clothes, and rent a good home."http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,RFERL,,MDA,46dd5e2f11,0.html

In Struggling Moldova, Desperation Drives Decisions
Most prostitutes working in the Balkans came from Moldova, and European investigators consider this Maryland-sized farming country of 4.4 million a key source of kidneys sold to wealthy Israelis and Europeans. For a time last year, Moldova even cut off foreign adoptions for fear that babies were being sold for spare parts, a concern that proved unfounded but seemed credible enough to investigate.http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20602-2002Nov6?language=printer

[Enot]

Frankly I think you Enot are that 1 person without the brain.

Look here.  Combined female population of RU + UA is 13 times that of combined population of Belarus + Moldova.
You say, there are MORE "good and serious" women in Belarus + Moldova than in Russia + Ukraine.

Now do the math.  Based on your hypothesis, what is the share of "good and serious" women among all the women of Russia and Ukraine? It's a simple equation, really.

I did not say what you imply.  I said population has nothing to do with the number of "good and serious" women.  If you don't believe this then you also have less than half a brain.  I also said, "I PREFUR TO LOOK IN OTHER COUNTRIES".

[Blues Fairy]

I did not say what you imply.  I said population has nothing to do with the number of "good and serious" women.  If you don't believe this then you also have less than half a brain.  I also said, "I PREFUR TO LOOK IN OTHER COUNTRIES".

"PREFUR" based on what?  Clearly, by saying that "population has no bearing" you imply the NUMBER of "good and serious" women is BIGGER in poorer countries.  How else to construe your statement?  If not the number, then WHAT is bigger?
Logic, my friend, logic. 

[Enot]

So based on your last post Groov, you agree odds are better to find a "good and serious" in Moldova based on coruption ... ya da ya da ya da.  

Do you think all women from Moldova are poor and corrupt?

Do you think corruption isn't present in other FSU countries.

Once again you twist statistics and only prove you have no facts no prove your case.

I think I've answered all your questions and as I said before, we will have to agree to disagree.  I prefur looking in other countries.  I base my opinion on observations and people I know which have had fiancee and spousal visa terminated by women from Russia and the Ukraine.

[Enot]

"PREFUR" based on what?  Clearly, by saying that "population has no bearing" you imply the NUMBER of "good and serious" women is BIGGER in poorer countries.  How else to construe your statement?  If not the number, then WHAT is bigger?
Logic, my friend, logic. 

Again, go back and read what I posted earlier ... or maybe you don't comprehed English well.

I said, "I base my opinion on observations and real life stories about RW and UK cancelling visas".

I also did not say or means to imply that, "the NUMBER of "good and serious" women is BIGGER in poorer countries".  I only said you odds of finding a "good and serious" women would increase outside of Russia and larger cities of the Ukraine.

Let's agree to disagree on this.

[groovlstk]

So based on your last post Groov, you agree odds are better to find a "good and serious" in Moldova based on coruption ... ya da ya da ya da.  

Do you think all women from Moldova are poor and corrupt?

Do you think corruption isn't present in other FSU countries.

NO NO NO NO NO NO AND NO AGAIN

I'm sure there are thousands upon thousands of wonderful, fantastic, phenomenal woman from Moldova. I'm equally sure that your wife is one of them. (and I'm being 100% sincere)

You don't seem to understand what I'm trying to say here, I humbly give up.

[Blues Fairy]

I also did not say or means to imply that, "the NUMBER of "good and serious" women is BIGGER in poorer countries".  I only said you odds of finding a "good and serious" women would increase outside of Russia and larger cities of the Ukraine.

   OK. Numbers are smaller, but ODDS increase.

I also humbly give up.

[Shadow]

Again, go back and read what I posted earlier ... or maybe you don't comprehed English well.

I said, "I base my opinion on observations and real life stories about RW and UK cancelling visas".

I also did not say or means to imply that, "the NUMBER of "good and serious" women is BIGGER in poorer countries".  I only said you odds of finding a "good and serious" women would increase outside of Russia and larger cities of the Ukraine.

Let's agree to disagree on this.

I will join the brainless crowd here.
Odds are a mathematical statistic. If the population of a country is 13 times bigger, and you would agree that people as basicly the same in all countries, the number of good, and the number of bad women would be 13 times bigger.
Supposed per 1000 people there are 10 interested in a foreign partner (1%), and of those 7 are sincere and 3 are not.

If you go to Russia and Ukraine and pick a partner there would be 1.8 million interested partners, of whom 1.3 million are sincere.
If you go to Belarus and Moldava there would be 140.000 partners of whom 98.000 are sincere.
That leaves the odds intact, and chances to pick a sincere or insincere partner actually equal.

When picking from a pool of possible partners the number that you will know personally either direct or indirect is never enough to give any statistical evidence of the odds. The odds of picking a partner that is not sincere is 30% in both cases, and in both cases the number of sincere and insincere partners is large enough to make personal experience completely invalid.

Now for the brainless part. You want to state that the odds of finding a partner in a poorer country are better, based on your experience. However your experience shows that the partners from richer countries were insincere and used their spouse to obtain money. When looking at economic fugitives, the odds of finding them in poorer countries are higher as in richer countries.
That alone speaks against your perception of the odds, and your personal experience.

I have never seen a study where it was proven that people in poorer conditions are more sincere about their choice of partner. And honestly speaking, it sounds illogical to me. If your odds are better of a partner accepting you, it has a lot to do with her economic situation and less with being sincere. If she decides to stay with you after it is no longer needed in terms of financial independence is based on her upbringing, culture and experience during the time you are together. If that kind of partner is good enough for you, look in the poorest village you can find.

[msmoby_ru]

Faux means fake.  Faux Pas means mistake.

..and your mistake is forgetting the "pas" on the end of the handle- which *is* of course another one of your mistakes ...

At least your are consistent ...

[Faux Pas]

  OK. Numbers are smaller, but ODDS increase.

I also humbly give up.

Alas I as well humbly toss in the towel. Logic obviously has no place in a conversation with Enot.
 

[Enot]

Alas I as well humbly toss in the towel. Logic obviously has no place in a conversation with Enot.
 

Yes, not your logic anyway.  Maybe your posts would make more sense if you quit banging yourself in the head!

[Kuna]

What I think is amazing is that this started out as a TR and it's turned into a complete mess.  Nice work guys! 

[ScottinCrimea]

Actually this thread has had a good result for me because I have clearly established that the opinions of enot are not to be taken seriously and can be ignored.  I guess I'm now a proud member of the brainless league.

[Sculpto]

OK, I am jumping to this mess a bit late.. but i have a theory.. some of you will laugh.. others might be offended..  

OK, so lets suppose a guy with limited means, who lives in a relatively low income part of the USA, who has a nominal education at best, decides he wants to find a woman in the FSU because he is tired of the limited choices he has in Mayberry.  So, without making a fool of himself he decides he has better odds in a country where the average income level, educational standards and individual future expectations are lower than they are in a place like Moscow or Kiev.  He realizes that he is not likely to impress a high level Moscow babe with his 'suthun draawl' and two room shack in the woods.  So, then he goes about his search and in the meantime ends up on a message board trying to push his particular form of wisdom on everyone elses experiences in a trollish way... hmmm.....

I would like to relate a recent experience with a correspondent.  This story is true and completely seperate from the lady I am going to see in Moscow next month.

I found this particular woman on free site.  She speaks good English and we quickly went from messages to chatting on Yahoo.  In many ways she appeared to fit the "profile" of the type of woman I search.  She is a professional musician, has lived outside Ukraine in the Middle East working as a Muscian in a 5 star hotel.  She returned to Ukraine about six months ago after finally becoming tired of 6 years of a cloistered life in the hotel in a society not friendly to women.

Our correspondence was pleasant and I liked her.  She presented as a possible person to visit after I got to know her more, if my current first choice happened to not work out.  But, suddenly, last week.. in the last chat session I had with her.. and what will prove to be the last chat session I will ever have with her... out of the blue she announces "I need to get married urgently".  She then went on to explain that she has no money.. is living in a rented room from some Babushka in Dneprotrevosk, and her mother, who is caring for her nine year old daughter someplace in Russia is demanding that she take her daughter back.  So, somehow she has decided that her only means of survival is to get married, and urgently at that.  She straight up and directly asked me if I would marry her and take her out of the hell she is living in.  I was absolutely shocked, stunned and as you all might imagine completely turned off by the proposal and explanation that preceeeded it.  We talked for another couple of hours during which time I tried to convince her to take responsibility for her own life and circumstances and not look to a man she hardly knows to save her.  My efforts fell on deaf ears.  

I can credit the woman with only one positive.. that she was honest enough to admit her purpose, even though it was such a huge turnoff.  She promised love (sex) as part of the deal.  She promised loyalty (for at least two years) as a condition of the deal.  She did not promise to cook, clean, or do anything except "I need rest I am so tired of working".

If anyone is interested in a quick marriage I would be happy to make the introduction.  I suspect she would be satisfied with a two room shack.   :evil:

[groovlstk]

What I think is amazing is that this started out as a TR and it's turned into a complete mess.  Nice work guys! 

Kuna, you were party to the derailing of an earlier TR too, no? 

[kievstar]

scultpo. did your frienf every meet this woman.  Could be a dude.

[Enot]

Actually this thread has had a good result for me ... I guess I'm now a proud member of the brainless league.

I am glad you have learned you are brainless Scott, maybe this experience has open your eyes and you will do something about it now.

You also need to entertain the ideas and opinions of others and not be so anal.  You also need to realise others could be right and you are sometimes wrong.  This is how you learn new things.  You were given 1 mouth and 2 ears for a reason so start listening twice as much as you speak as intended.

Fianally, I never disrespected anyone's opinion nor discounted one.  I never called anyone's wife a prostitute as BluesFairy or attack any one that didn't attack me first.  I was only trying to express my opinion and many of you just lost what you had left for brains.

Does this board have moderators? 

[ScottinCrimea]

I am glad you have learned you are brainless Scott, maybe this experience has open your eyes and you will do something about it now.

You also need to entertain the ideas and opinions of others and not be so anal.  You also need to realise others could be right and you are sometimes wrong.  This is how you learn new things.  You were given 1 mouth and 2 ears for a reason so start listening twice as much as you speak as intended.

Fianally, I never disrespected anyone's opinion nor discounted one.  I never called anyone's wife a prostitute as BluesFairy or attack any one that didn't attack me first.  I was only trying to express my opinion and many of you just lost what you had left for brains.

Does this board have moderators? 

I think you need to follow your own advice in this regard.  I did listen to your opinion and found it to be wrong, as have several others here.  They very clearly explained why they disagree and you consistelntly chose to ignore any facts that didn't go along with your set in stone ideas, choosing instead to latch onto anything that might possibly suggest an agreement with  you. These are not the actions of someone with an open mind.  You clung to the idea, "I'm right and yoiu're all wrong, and if you don't agree with me, you're all brainless."  This sounds more like something a child would do, hurling insults when the argument is lost.

Such a person has nothing to offer me in the way of advice.

[Mod3]

Does this board have moderators? 

Yup.
Press the 'report' button to call us. Usually we are in our staff room playing cards.

[Enot]

Your wrong on all accounts Scott, many people also agree with my opinion.  I see your mind is still closed and you live in your own little world of "I'm always right and can never be wrong" mantality.  You're hopeless and I pity your wife.

When someone's opinion doesn't agree with yours, you say they should be ignored and have nothing to offer.  Now that is closed minded and childish.

[Blues Fairy]

I never called anyone's wife a prostitute as BluesFairy

?????????
Are you out of your wits?

[Misha]

?????????
Are you out of your wits?

Well....

Let's see, Enot thought I was a Russian woman (why, go figure as if he knew anything about Russia and the Russian language he would know that Misha is never used for women) and then he was insulted because I pointed out that Moldava is recognized internationally as a major source of women for human trafficking. Somehow he went from my pointing out that Moldava has a reputation for a country with a lot of desperate people doing anything to leave (and sadly many being duped into forced prostitution in other countries) to seeing this as an accusation that his wife is a prostitute. 

[Sculpto]

scultpo. did your frienf every meet this woman.  Could be a dude.

LOL Kiev.. no, I have seen her on the cam.. she is real.. quite a lovely singer also.. she sang for me over the phone.. however.. I thought Enot might want to meet her.. though.. she is probably a notch or two beyond him.. but she needs a fast marriage and is offering sex for at least two years...

BTW.. why are you guys still arguing with a Troll?