The tROLL searching for more advice :)

[roll]

Well here I am again, see previous topic for my story.

Please send answers and suggestions don't trash it, I have a hard time reading thru it.

Ok the facts:

4 emails, the 5th from a company that said that she can't pay for translating no longer and wanted to know if I wanted to pay for her. (My impression was ok the usuall scam drop comunications) but replied asking how much they wanted out of curiosity.

They answered, with costs
[align=center]-translation and printing of one letter - 5 USD

-scanning of one photo -                  2 USD
-printing of one photo -                  3 USD
-phone call translation -      5 USD 10 minutes [/align]

and also included her full name and address. Well not aware of scams so it seemed strange to me, at this point I wrote them back and asked if a friend of mine visiting the area in a few weeks could pass over and bring payment for me, well they agreed and gave me a phone number to call and make sure they where there and a full street address.

As I said i'm new at all this, and seeking help from you guys. Since I have an address what would you do?

Contact one of the fantomatic agencies and check on her?
Send her flowers unexpectelly and get a picture back?
Any advice here?
Is this normal for a scam? If it is it might be well organized and planed.

Has any one in this forum have a person they know here in the area of STANICA LUH. that can be contacted for help? Or is anyone ever had to deal with a company named: "Ukrainian    Chamber of Translation Service and Communication" (UCTSC)?

Again she might not be a scam and will hate not to meet her and give it a try.... she apparently reppresent the majority of all I'm looking for in a woman.
(Be aware I want to meet her first and not loose any money with out reflecting on it first)

Thanks for your replies in advance and please serious replies

THE tROLL he he like the name :dude:

[Leslie]

Duh !

You are not writing to a real women.  You are writing to "Fat Yuri"

Join a reputable agency and stop wasting your time and money.

 

 

[Albert]

One key to not getting scammed or led on for extended periods of time is DIVERSIFICATION.

The second key is: Don't send money to any gal before you have met face to face.

Don't focus exclusively on this woman or any other single woman.

Do an exhaustive search of agencies, web match maker sites such as Match Doctor, etc.

Find 100 or more (500 are even better to start with) gals that meet your predefined criteria from one city or at least a group of very close cities.

Start writing to all.

Winnow the list down to 10-15.  If any red or even yellow flags show up for a given woman . . . drop her.  There are tens of thousands of women in FSU looking for man from the West.  Don't bother with any that have any question marks at all.

Make a trip to visit with all of them (the 10-15).

[jb]

If you are indeed searching for advice you will find a wealth of experience and knowledge available through these members.

If you are able to accept advice and critique without blowing your top, sulking, pouting, or other such childish attitudes, you might actually learn something.  Many of the members have been traveling to and from the FSU for years, many of us are married to Russian and Ukrainian ladies.  Some longer than others.  The knowledge you can learn here in the pursuit of your dream girl is pure gold.  

There are also other discussion boards you can join and browse where the members are also knowledgeable, you might want to check them out.
http://www.rwguide.com/index.php
http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/russian/

As you get closer to your goal there is a wealth of info regarding visas and other useful immigration information available from other sites.

For now, you have avoided one simple scam, the little translation company you listed above is nothing more than a letter factory, for $5.00 a pop, they will write love letters to you from now on, but there is no girl to meet at the end of the rainbow.  They cut and paste photos from fashion magazines and web sites that are perhaps legitimate MOB agencies.  One of their favorite sites to gather photos of good looking girls is:
http://www.venusswimwear.com/xq/aspx/BRANCH.7~65/dept.Solid+Tops/qx/products.htm
There are others, but this is an example.  There have probably been more letters written by lonely men to photo models than all the real girls in the FSU.

Get yourself aligned with a solid agency such as the one operated by Rvr (Richard), or Kevin Hayes of this board.  At least you will know the girl DOES exist and she has a real interest in meeting a foreign man for marriage.  Until then, treat all contacts by FSU women who write to you from an advert you placed on the web as a probable scam.

Read the Tablets of Stone, follow them, these were developed by many men who have gone there before you and know the ropes.  There are no easy tourist visas, she cannot fly to you, she cannot travel with the ease you enjoy.  Be halfway smart, don't send money to a photograph. Don't fall in love with a photograph, and don't trust anybody or anything you can't verify.

[coco]

Good answer jb-chapeaux bas.

[Bruno]

There are no easy tourist visas, she cannot fly to you, she cannot travel with the ease you enjoy.

Again a little detail that some have miss... our guy is Italian... since Italy is in Europa, a woman can have a shenghen visa, and visit him... if she have already visit Europa, she can have a new visa very fast and easily...

Maybe you can contact BC... a American living in Italy and married with a FSU woman... he know certainly the procedure specific to Italy...

If she visit you, pay the air ticket in Italy ( cheap compagny at around 350 euro for a round trip )... never send money... She can take the plane ticket localy in FSU after your have pay it ( ask her a copy from his international passport for buy the ticket )... for visa, she can pay herself ( around 60 euro )... and you can refound her when she is in Italy...

FSU woman have visit me in Europa and i have visit them in FSU... no one solution is better that the other, each have his own advantage and problem...


EDIT : over the UCTSC, i have find nothing about them... no site, no reference, nothing... it is like they don't exist...

If you need translator, take a look at a other forum called translatorscafe... for ukrainian-english, take a look at http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/PopSearch/English-to-Ukrainian-translation/ ...

For italian to russian, you have

http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/member29382no.htm ( pretty one  )

http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/member1408no.htm

[roll]

Great answers very appreciate all your help.
Yes I'm an American in Italy, but lived here too long
So now English for me is a second language so excuse me for my mistakes.

I will get very good advice and keep your words as gold.

Thank you,
Chris

[jb]

BC is also an American living in Italy, married to a RW. You might want to strike up an friendship with him.

And, a name change might be in order if you want to be taken seriously.

[PeeWee]

BC is also an American living in Italy, married to a RW. You might want to strike up an friendship with him.

And, a name change might be in order if you want to be taken seriously.

Ok, jb, now you have my curiosity in motion. What exactly is a "troll"?  I know it's a little guy who lives under a bridge.

 

PeeWee

[Michelangelo]

Ok, jb, now you have my curiosity in motion. What exactly is a "troll"?  I know it's a little guy who lives under a bridge.
PeeWee


It's a spy in our midst who does not want us to know who he is...

[Michelangelo]

BC is also an American living in Italy, married to a RW. You might want to strike up an friendship with him.

And, a name change might be in order if you want to be taken seriously.

I don't think he CAN change his login name, can he?

[Mtnmansummit]

Roll

We're the good guys. Listen to these guys. They're right there is no woman; you are not writing to a real person. Do not feel stupid or feel like you're an idiot because you are not. You are not the first guy to be taken advantage of. I was, I traveled a long distance and spent a lot of money entertaining a woman who is a "professional money spender".  
Go to the sites recommended, and there are others. Bruno maintains a site; Jack and Kevin do the same.  The sites that are unofficially associated here at RWD are bona fide; they are not over the border fly by night crooks.  Look at the thousands of photographs and read the biographies of real women, who honestly and sincerely want to meet a man from outside the FSU. Some of the women have posted themselves on more than one web-site, I think this adds some creditability, choose a few to write. Many will write you back, some web-sites charge for translation others do not.   Good god man when you use these web-sites you can be as specific as you want to be when you start to look for women to write to. You can choose her height, age, eye color, hair color, education and language ability, if she has children or not.  After you have had an on going correspondence with four to six women, you can begin to read between the lines and determine fact from fiction.  I believe the majority of these women are honest and sincere, BUT a dangerous few are not, and taking advantage of a mans emotions is an easy way for them to make a buck.
JB is correct -----  he told you "Read the Tablets of Stone, follow them, these were developed by many men who have gone there before you and know the ropes. There are no easy tourist visas, she cannot fly to you, and she cannot travel with the ease you enjoy. Be halfway smart; don't send money to a photograph. Don't fall in love with a photograph, and don't trust anybody or anything you can't verify."  These are the "Tablets of Stone" violating any one of them is a Cardinal Sin. I say that there are the "Dumb, the real Dumb and the GD Dumb." don't be the latter. We have all been felony stupid more than one time around a woman, it is our nature, we are men, and we can't help it. But we learn from each incident. I used this site before I went to Ukraine but I did not listen to what Jack told me.  The money I wasted on the "professional money spender", would have bought me a full tour on his or another companies' tour. We all learn the hard things in life one of three ways, we get hurt; physically, emotionally or financially. But you have the opportunity to avoid the majority of the pitfalls of corresponding and ultimately dating Russian women. These guys have put up the road signs, read them. They are on your side.  If you were a stranger and not a fellow RWDer I'd tell you to get your head out of your arse.
Gorman ----- South Park

[PeeWee]

Ok, jb, now you have my curiosity in motion. What exactly is a "troll"? I know it's a little guy who lives under a bridge.
PeeWee


It's a spy in our midst who does not want us to know who he is...

Many of us go by an Internet identity. I may not be a spy but you don't know who I am, does that make me a troll? And what would I be spying on anyway? I mean I might be a peeping Tom but a spy I am not. Perhaps then a troll would be an agency owner who posts threads as such and then post other threads using another ID? I think I get the idea. Thanks, my man.

PeeWee

[ConnerVT]

Troll: In the context of the Internet, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse. The word is also often used to describe such messages

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

[PeeWee]

Troll: In the context of the Internet, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse. The word is also often used to describe such messages

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Thanks, Conner.

 

PeeWee

 

 

[Photo Guy]

Troll:  as in trolling for fish. He has his line out with bait on the hook, and waiting for a fish to bite. The bait would be an inciteful post intended to get an emotional reaction.

[Michelangelo]

Ok, jb, now you have my curiosity in motion. What exactly is a "troll"? I know it's a little guy who lives under a bridge.
PeeWee


It's a spy in our midst who does not want us to know who he is...

Many of us go by an Internet identity. I may not be a spy but you don't know who I am, does that make me a troll? And what would I be spying on anyway? I mean I might be a peeping Tom but a spy I am not. Perhaps then a troll would be an agency owner who posts threads as such and then post other threads using another ID? I think I get the idea. Thanks, my man.

PeeWee
[/quote]Yep, that is what I meant PeeWee...someone who pretends to be someone they are not...and does dirty work in this identity...

[PeeWee]

Ok, jb, now you have my curiosity in motion. What exactly is a "troll"? I know it's a little guy who lives under a bridge.
PeeWee


It's a spy in our midst who does not want us to know who he is...

Many of us go by an Internet identity. I may not be a spy but you don't know who I am, does that make me a troll? And what would I be spying on anyway? I mean I might be a peeping Tom but a spy I am not. Perhaps then a troll would be an agency owner who posts threads as such and then post other threads using another ID? I think I get the idea. Thanks, my man.

PeeWee
[/quote]Yep, that is what I meant PeeWee...someone who pretends to be someone they are not...and does dirty work in this identity...[/quote]
Good to know, Michael, that my status as a peeping Tom is still intact. I thank you.

 

peeWee

[Michelangelo]

But you are not a peeping Tom, PeeWee....

And back to our Troll....or roll,

who is rolling the dice with this chick

and I think he will get snake eyes

Roll--you have good advice here.  Wait to start your search.  And when you do, write many, many girls from good agencies, and narrow your list down to a dozen...not one.

Have fun

[PeeWee]

But you are not a peeping Tom, PeeWee....

And back to our Troll....or roll,

who is rolling the dice with this chick

and I think he will get snake eyes

Roll--you have good advice here. Wait to start your search. And when you do, write many, many girls from good agencies, and narrow your list down to a dozen...not one.

Have fun

Michael, my experience was short in that I have only communicated with 5 RW in the past 4 years. The first RW I found on the Internet. We communicated until I thought she disappeared so I began looking and happened to find a RW who lived in Moscow who was visiting my city on a business trip. We communicated for 7 months and met three time, every time was in my city. She had another guy on the line and eventually decided to go with him.

A few weeks later one of the ladies on the Russian Women's forum told me about her friend who lived in Vladivostok. I called her and we were together for about 1 year and we met twice. Once in Moscow and once in China. As big as Moscow is I actually, by accident, ran into the one that I had met in the hotel in my city it was a chance and quick hello and goodbye and I never heard from her again. I dediced that the Vald lady was not for me so I quit looking.

About a year ago the woman from Moscow whom I had met in the hotel  in my city called me from LA. She had decided that the guy that she chose over me was not for her and realized that I was the one and not he. Would I take her back? I did and we have been togther for a little over a year. She actually immigrated but only stayed for a short while and then returned to Russia. She seems in no hurry to come back but I do know that she would like to have her child enrolled into an American school by next fall. As I said before, I was fortunate not to have had get involved in her immigration as a sponsor. I'm totally invaluable to the forum with regard to the immigration experience.

That is my short lived story but I am thankful that I did not have to write the letters and do all of the searching and traveling to met women. I think I have written five letters in the past four years and traveled to Russia twice. For the time being it looks like I've got one on her way. The jury is still out, however.

PeeWee

[Bruno]

A major debate on the Internet is whether or not trolls perform any useful function. Because troll is such a broadly-applied term, if all definitions thereof are to be accepted, the answer must be definitively, "yes and no".

Users performing many useful, but controversial, functions are often decried as trolls, and in these cases, so-called trolling may actually benefit the forum in which it occurs. For example, the presence of a radical right-winger described as a troll may allow a conservative lurker to feel more comfortable expressing her viewpoints, which seem very moderate in contrast. On the other hand, if trollhunters mount a flame war against this right-wing troll, the conservative bystander may feel less comfortable expressing her views, to the detriment of the forum. As much as trolls claim to fight groupthink, they may actually encourage it by solidifying opinion against them.

Trolls may also provide a valuable service by making people question the validity of what is read both on the Internet and from other sources. Trolls show that expressing any opinion is as easy as expressing an informed and considered opinion and may get as much visibility.

Even though useful content and productive users are sometimes decried as trolls, the general consensus is that pure "trolling" benefits only the troll and trollhunters, and has no place in any forum. Most forums reject the claim that pure and intentional trolling serves any useful purpose.

Trolls can also in some circumstances be a source of genuine humour, which depends entirely upon whether the troll is a good or a bad troll. It's usually fairly easy to spot the difference between such actions: a bad troll resorts only to weak uncreative arguments whereas a good troll will create a subtle set of arguments which draw people in with cunning twists to provide a thread of non sequitur humour.

Some trolls have been known to try to troll threads into deletion and serve as a form of negative reinforcement to "newbies" and also help reduce clutter of spam threads on a large message board.

 
Edit : Roll, if you take time to read the forum and learn, you will be able to find your own way to FSU woman without the help of agency... on site like http://freepersonals.ru/index.php , you have more that 14K women waiting you... for free... but several scammer are operating on free site... so, RWD can be the tool for help you select honest women from scammer...

Other free place :

http://www.freerussiansingles.com/

http://www.eecl.org/en/album/index.shtml

http://www.foreignbrides.ru/

... and a lot of other exist...

[Michelangelo]

That is my short lived story but I am thankful that I did not have to write the letters and do all of the searching and traveling to meet women. I think I have written five letters in the past four years and traveled to Russia twice. For the time being it looks like I've got one on her way. The jury is still out, however.

PeeWee, I think you are fortunate to have not had the usual experience with trips and letters and hopes and failures that most of us experience.

I do know that for me, the best way to meet FSU girls is like you did--by bumping into them.  I am very interested in one girl I met in Kiev in the stairway of the flat I rented-an accidential meeting and a brief exchange of emails that may develop into something...   And a second girl I met in a disco in Zhitomir that I want to go back and spend some time with.

ROLL- As you can see from many of the stories here, it typically takes two or three years (or more) and many trips  to Ukraine or FSU to find your best match. You could take the first girl that falls into your arms--but that would be a mistake.

[BC]

Roll,

Besides Rome and Milan, there seems to be a good many RU folks flying in to Forli (Bologna) to spend their vacation in Rimini.. flights every Saturday.

If you are in the Bologna area, it might be worth your while looking for women in the Rostov area.. Direct flights available with Aeroflot-Don. Is a bit off the 'beaten path' which can be nice if you have your duckies in a row.. Alitalia usually has specials in December to Moscow from Milan and Rome, under 300 EUR round trip which is good for  a quick orientation tour.

Plenty of nice beautiful IT girls around if you haven't noticed (especially down south).. if 'traditional' dating here is a hassle for you, check your motivations before thinking further about a FSU girl.. this venture is not an 'easier, softer way' out of a rut.

If your desires are in any way hormonally driven, suggest a quick trip to Amsterdam or Frankfurt. Plenty of lovely FSU women to spend some 'quality' time relaxing, at 'best bang for your buck' prices difficult to find in IT.