Wife split!

[Misha]

Also, when their first K-1 attempt failed, she wanted Wayne to move to Russia to live with her.

I believe that she wanted him to sell his house and then move to Russia. The expectation is that he would bring money with him to Russia.

[Ade]

I believe that she wanted him to sell his house and then move to Russia. The expectation is that he would bring money with him to Russia.

Then there's the reverse psychology factor; say that to gain trust knowing all too well that the probabilities of any American actually doing so are vanishingly slim. If it ever came to pass she could always dump him before he got there... or after she'd bled him dry.

That they were trying for a K-1 for so long is irrelevant as we've no idea what she was doing in the mean time.

The fact that she moved out of his bedroom the day after the wedding and got herself a boyfriend are the main unforgivables IMO. Not much would excuse that behaviour and the latter would be an instant reason for divorce in my reality.

[Maxx2]

Then there's the reverse psychology factor; say that to gain trust knowing all too well that the probabilities of any American actually doing so are vanishingly slim. If it ever came to pass she could always dump him before he got there... or after she'd bled him dry.

That they were trying for a K-1 for so long is irrelevant as we've no idea what she was doing in the mean time.

The fact that she moved out of his bedroom the day after the wedding and got herself a boyfriend are the main unforgivables IMO. Not much would excuse that behaviour and the latter would be an instant reason for divorce in my reality.

Clear thinking. You will do well in life.


Maxx 

[Doll]

Please tell us more about the size of Waynes house and any other particulars you may be privy to

Come on- I just read his old posts, you can do same.
He said how many bedrooms there were, also the location of his house and even how big his mortgage was. Also a lot about both his Ukrainian " adventure" and his Siberian one.

[BC]

Then there's the reverse psychology factor; say that to gain trust knowing all too well that the probabilities of any American actually doing so are vanishingly slim. If it ever came to pass she could always dump him before he got there... or after she'd bled him dry.

Ya know.. If we would evaluate all our relationships using reverse psychology, we'd get absolutely nowhere.  A life where paranoia rules is quite lonely.  

The only absolute is that either a relationship will work or it will not.  Don't let those with PTSD infect you.

[Ade]

Ya know.. If we would evaluate all our relationships using reverse psychology, we'd get absolutely nowhere.  A life where paranoia rules is quite lonely.  

The only absolute is that either a relationship will work or it will not.  Don't let those with PTSD infect you.

Yes, I know that but I'm just doing a Dolly here, if she can extrapolate the best out of nothing then I certainly can do the opposite.

As has been said by me and many others now, the only information that we have is from Wayne himself, everything else is supposition and wild supposition at that. Doll obviously is extremely biased towards his wife even though she knows no more than us. We have to at least assume that what Wayne has said is true about two things; that she moved out of his bed the day after the wedding and that she told him that she had a boyfriend. I'm not sure about you or anyone else here but I certainly would be looking for an annulment or a divorce on either of these two issues alone. Nothing can excuse these except abuse and there's nothing in Wayne's posts to suggest he's abusive, if anything, his posts show him to be a very passive man ideal material for a GCG.

I think it's far too easy these days for men that are entirely unsuited for a venture such as this to go out and find themselves a wife. Silly "idiot-guides" and "how-to" books about finding a wife not to mention "tours" that do everything for the man, take away the natural selection that would normally filter out a lot of those unsuited to international dating and all its pitfalls. The result is horrendous stories of failure; wasn't it William that said that less than 25% of tour marriages last 3 years?

[Maxx2]

 Don't let those with PTSD infect you.

It used to be those with experience were valued for advice on were to step and what to watch out for. The possible consequences of a bad choice and so on. Now they are considered damaged goods. I suppose experience lawyers are to be considered "jaded" and have their advice ignored as well? Oh well what can you do with such people? The blind leading the blind.

Wayne's wife showed her true GCG colors the day after he married her. It is likely that was her true nature when she asked him to sell his house, bring his money and come live with her. I bet her expensive tastes would have blown through that equity in short order. 


Maxx   

[Misha]

PTSD

PTSD? Well, keep in mind, just because you are paranoid, it does not mean that the world is not out to get you In other words, paranoia is not necessarily always a bad thig.

[Maxx2]

I remember reading back in '01 and '02 on the US embassy for Russia's website in their advice to Americans thinking of doing business in Russia. They said that in America that business to business operate on a "win win" bases. That is both sides benefit. But in Russia the business model is "win lose". That is one tries to outwit the other and winner tries to take the loser for everything they got. They cautioned caution when setting up business alliances with Russians. We have the same need for caution when setting up an a marriage alliance with a Russian woman. When they arrive to America all the feminist inspired laws are on their side and many of them know it.

Maxx

[BC]

It used to be those with experience were valued for advice on were to step and what to watch out for. The possible consequences of a bad choice and so on. Now they are considered damaged goods. I suppose experience lawyers are to be considered "jaded" and have their advice ignored as well? Oh well what can you do with such people? The blind leading the blind.

Wayne's wife showed her true GCG colors the day after he married her. It is likely that was her true nature when she asked him to sell his house, bring his money and come live with her. I bet her expensive tastes would have blown through that equity in short order. 


Maxx   

Maxx,

If it was left to the blood and gore after a train wreck, I might agree that relating the experience may warn someone about the possible side effects of this venture..

When it comes down to trying to fix something that is already broke, or help those that are beyond help in the first place (as it is in this thread) I don't think much help is being offered to those that follow.

The 'When you really screw things up, come here and we'll help.' theme is not really a solution.

The true solution is making, or learning to make the right choices from the combined experience offered.. one of the very first choices is whether or not to get on that plane in the first place.. and really, most should not.

It used to be those with experience were valued for advice on were to step and what to watch out for.

Now we have 20  pages or so and haven't seen any of that value yet.

Wayne is an angel that married a GCG through no fault of his own.. the perfect crime with no red flags flying for two K1's that bailed shortly after walking in the door. I ain't buying it.  No direct experience has been shared that can help others see anything more than they did before.  Sorry to say, a simple exercise in commiseration.

[BC]

When they arrive to America all the feminist inspired laws are on their side and many of them know it.

Yeah.. those feminist inspired laws really do ruin good relationships...

huh?

[William3rd]

Maxx- you are on the money. The cheerleaders just want to opine and pat each other on the back for the worldly advice that they give between trips to the mirror to preen themselves. After all, they all look 20 years younger. . .


 It is also Amazing how foreign posters and gcg posters give advice on American male issues, clogging the thread with static and conflicting erroneous advice.

The majority have never experienced a GCG relationship or experienced the harm that the GCG monsters cause yet they persist. . .

[vwrw]

It used to be those with experience were valued for advice on were to step and what to watch out for.

Wayne's wife showed her true GCG colors the day after he married her. It is likely that was her true nature when she asked him to sell his house, bring his money and come live with her. I bet her expensive tastes would have blown through that equity in short order. 


Maxx   

One of the most precious lessons I have learned during my life is
-Be skeptical to advices of people if they have failed in the field they give advice about.
-Be open-minded to advices of people if they have succeed in the field they give advice about.

Maxx, your own experience indicates that the “ Squash the bitch” course of actions leads to a failure and emotional devastation.   

Woman whose initial goal is obtaining GC will never ever offer her husband to relocate in the country she was born in.

The initial goal of this woman was to find a husband who would be a good provider.

[Ade]

One of the most precious lessons I have learned during my life is
-Be skeptical to advices of people if they have failed in the field they give advice about.
-Be open-minded to advices of people if they have succeed in the field they give advice about.

Unless they are giving advice on how to deal with the failure; which is just abut the case here I think.

Woman whose initial goal is obtaining GC will never ever offer her husband to relocate in the country she was born in.

"Never ever"? As I mentioned earlier, I can think of any number of scenarios where a mercenary woman would do just that.

This woman is also being given credit for intelligence she may not have; she was a hair dresser not a rocket scientist after all, and who knows what schemes and plans were made and remade as time went by.

[Misha]

Woman whose initial goal is obtaining GC will never ever offer her husband to relocate in the country she was born in.

Well, given the odds are low for even a GCG to find a good "mule," convincing that man to sell his house and bring all his money to live with her is a pretty good option B. She can siphon every penny he has, and then dump him while continuing her search.

[Diplomacy]

This could happen to anyone of us, it is not 20 pages of nothing.  Look at what are legal system is at, take Wayne out of the equation.  If a woman gets married, is only here for a green card it is a nasty battle.  How many people knew that?  I would think this is a cut and dry case. 

Now let us say in hindsight, the third day of the marriage he calls for a annulment?  That would be my response, right or wrong.  Does she still have a real chance staying in the country? The reality is the women come from an environment that many people lie, cheat, and steal.  Survival of the fittest says IMO some made it that far somehow.  Given the years of experience IMO they could be very good appearing to be one thing but truly being another.  Pick a small argument and see if the guy kisses your butt saying she is right and she can do anything.  See if they buy you a gift when they say you are greedy.  Just wait for someone that does that and you got your ticket for the GCG right?

There is being paranoid, but then there is knowing all the possible scenarios. Forget about the money aspect, this just should not be the case.  I knew that I was responsible on the sponsorship side, but where are the protections if someone runs away?  Are you suppose to sit and watch the finances get into a real mess?  Is that a fair and reasonable assumption when you agree to sponsorship?  Do you agree to sponsor them on what their concept is of being provided for, and their lifestyle aspirations are?  If on their free will they decide to up and leave, then you have to pay for that?

If a woman knows that you do not have much money, then runs up the credit cards.  That tells you about the woman.  I know that we are innocent until proven guilty here, but what are the innocent suppose to do to protect themselves?

 

[William3rd]

One of the most precious lessons I have learned during my life is
-Be skeptical to advices of people if they have failed in the field they give advice about.
-Be open-minded to advices of people if they have succeed in the field they give advice about.


SO WE SHOULD LISTEN TO GREEN CARD GIRLS IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL?!?!?!?!? AND NOT LISTEN TO VICTIMS BECAUSE THEY FAILED IN THEIR MARRIAGE?!??!?!?!

I rest my case. . . . .

Perhaps it would be better to deal with the GCG problem a la Pike. . .  have a section where the cheerleaders are not able to contaminate the thread. If the Pike porn lite thread was allowable, then the same should apply here. . . I think Dan should be consulted. . . .

[OlgaH]

Probably Liana could uncover some facts...

Oksana would like to live close to her best friend, L.  I think, probably, L and her son will end up here with us.

I offered to Oksana that she could invite her best friend, L and her Son to come live with us for a while.  My home has 5 bedrooms, 5 baths, 2 kitchens, etc.  L has lived in USA for 2-1/2 years, so she could help Oksana to adjust.  L drives and has a car, so she could take Oksana shopping, etc.  Oksana could practice driving in L's car.  I saw L several times and I think we would all be able to get along together.

Oksana's best friend, L, was married to an American man and moved to Texas in December, 2004. 

Oksana is very much influenced by L.

[BC]

It is also Amazing how foreign posters and gcg posters give advice on American male issues, clogging the thread with static and conflicting erroneous advice.

The majority have never experienced a GCG relationship or experienced the harm that the GCG monsters cause yet they persist. . .

Do foreign Americans qualify as 'static'?

Most if not all posters seem to agree that Wayne needs good legal advice, especially since she stated that was the case on her end.  Anything thereafter is open game.

Regarding the 'GCG monsters'.. one thing is certain, that they are powerless left alone.  I doubt that they even exist in pertinent numbers, but there are probably many more women that when caught in a bind, resort to the same tactics..  'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'.

The damage caused, both emotional and financial is probably similar as a AW/AM divorce.. the Green Card is just another 'asset' to fight over.  Wouldn't it be nice to deport your ex AW?

[vwrw]

Unless they are giving advice on how to deal with the failure; which is just abut the case here I think.

The method employed by Maxx when dealing with the failure of his own family resulted in complications of his situations, NOT in successful consciences. Hence, one should be skeptical to his advices unless he wants to arrive in the same consequences.

[BC]

The method employed by Maxx when dealing with the failure of his own family resulted in complications of his situations, NOT in successful consciences. Hence, one should be skeptical to his advices unless he wants to arrive in the same consequences.

VW,

After a time, Maxx was able to accept his responsibilities and openly admitted missing a lot of red flags in his relationship on both sides.  Faced with a rotten relationship the GC issue is quite superfluous.

[William3rd]

http://www.immigrationfraudvictims.org/CA%20Family%20Law%20Case%20for%20Immigration%20Marriage%20Fraud.pdf

Read here-

Lets talk about other damage that green card girls can do in search of their goal-

Child abuse- physical
Child abuse- neglect
Elder abuse- physical
Elder abuse- neglect
Elder abuse- financial

After all, they dont care about other family members in their adoptive American families. They are just furnishings to  the green card girl

[BC]

http://www.immigrationfraudvictims.org/CA%20Family%20Law%20Case%20for%20Immigration%20Marriage%20Fraud.pdf

Read here-

Interesting.. they met at a bus stop, with immediate marriage proposal and set the wedding date a few days later.  'Not too bright' comes to mind. A OWW story and she didn't even have to get on the plane.

Yes, I agree with the decision.. Documented / witnessed premeditation, and I do see your point upthread on this subject.

Lets talk about other damage that green card girls can do in search of their goal-

Child abuse- physical
Child abuse- neglect
Elder abuse- physical
Elder abuse- neglect
Elder abuse- financial


After all, they dont care about other family members in their adoptive American families. They are just furnishings to  the green card girl

Each happens throughout the population.  Add murder and a host of other crimes on either side of the equation.

[William3rd]

Quote

Lets talk about other damage that green card girls can do in search of their goal-

Child abuse- physical
Child abuse- neglect
Elder abuse- physical
Elder abuse- neglect
Elder abuse- financial


After all, they dont care about other family members in their adoptive American families. They are just furnishings to  the green card girl


Each happens throughout the population.  Add murder and a host of other crimes on either side of the equation.

This particular series of activities was from ONE GCG. Murder was not beyond her but there was no insurance policy in her name. Takes a certain kind of person.  Sociopathic behavior. . . . .

[BC]

This particular series of activities was from ONE GCG. Murder was not beyond her but there was no insurance policy in her name. Takes a certain kind of person.  Sociopathic behavior. . . . .

William,

Is it possible that US Consulate CO's have a 'knack' for identifying such traits?  Were grounds for refusal found also in this case?

Wonder what their batting average is..