Wife split!

[Maxx2]

Usually the judges limit the spousal maintenance to a brief period of time reflecting the briefness of the marriage. As example I know a fellow in northern Virginia who after being married for one month to a RW and was ordered to pay her $850 a month for one year. Another fellow in southern Virginia married the same length time was ordered to pay $500 a month for a year. These two guys made lower income wages. Many times the women get nothing such as my ex. I was making about $85K at the time. I live in Minnesota. It depends on where you live. In Iowa alimony only happens with 5 plus years of marriage. Texas is very stingy with this. California more generous. If the wife can prove abuse it helps get more spousal support.

HR 739 is a bill currently in Congress. The bill would make domestic violence victims a new class with special privileges. Under the bill, a domestic violence victim would be entitled to lifetime employment benefits. This includes the right to employee health insurance, and the right to sue employers over higher and firing decisions. In these times of massive job losses, such a law would create an epidemic of false accusations. 

[AugustD]

I have a question Maxx about prior to marriage.  If a man brings a woman on a K-1 and does not marry her and she stays in the US, what is a mans responsibility because of the I-134?

[Muddy]

Interesting to ponder the possible consequences.

It would seem to me that, with a little clever planning and coordination, it would not be too difficult for a foreign woman who married an American man (who signed an I-864 as part of an AOS), to then file for divorce from her husband, self-file for legal permanent residence as an abused spouse (see other threads on that issue), and then use the couple's (i.e., his) money to get a judgment against him to obtain not only a property settlement, but also now an annual payment of about $20,000 from the spouse (under a private right of action as per the I-864 form and the court decisions cited above), and then, while holding status as a legal permanent resident of the US, actually spend most or all of her time back in Russia or Ukraine, etc -- and live fairly well on that annual sum in the FSU -- and look forward to a possible lifetime of that support (keeping a PO Box in the US to receive the monthly checks and evidence her continued residency).  If so, that's not too bad for an investment of perhaps a few months actual time (from first meeting to divorce).

Apart from the fact that all the above would constitute fraud (which wouldn't necessarily stop those who are criminally inclined), I would hope that there are some fatal flaws in that scenario.  Anybody?

Journeyman
  

BINGO!!! Many of these girls know about all of this before they even arrive here, they have done their research, many know people or have friends who have done this already, some agencies give them all the info they will need even which lawyer and agencies to contact to execute their evil plan.
US laws attract scammers and promotes divorce.

[Doll]

US laws attract scammers and promotes divorce.

They do attract scammers but do not promote divorce

[Muddy]

They do attract scammers but do not promote divorce

You are often quoting my replies, why?
I do not like so much attention!

[Doll]

You are often quoting my replies, why?
I do not like so much attention!

Don't get excited- you're not the only one I quote.
So, Muddy, how do the laws promote divorce? I mean immigration laws (if we're talking this kind).

[Muddy]

Sorry Doll, I just dont have time for this now
My girlfriend is coming over, have to get ready.
Thank you for all the love and attention!

[Maxx2]

I have a question Maxx about prior to marriage.  If a man brings a woman on a K-1 and does not marry her and she stays in the US, what is a mans responsibility because of the I-134?

I have never heard of this being a problem for a man in these circumstances. There maybe a problem for him if he decides to bring another foreign woman in on a K visa and his last fiancee ran off. Also I heard that the I-134 is superseded by the I-864 Affidavit of Support for after the marriage and when the Adjustment of Status is applied for. That is the I-134 doesn't hold up in court. A lot of those USCIS forms need to be redone. As example a fiancee petition is used with the submission for a K-3 spousal visa. I was told nothing can be changed with the documentation unless Congress does it.


Maxx

[Wayne]

We had a settlement conference scheduled for next week on the divorce proceedings.  Yesterday, I got a letter from my Attorney saying it would be postponed because the Judge died.  There were only two Judges so I don't know how long things will be put off.  Of course, my Attorney continues to collect $150 per hour for his time or anyone else on his staff.

[Gator]

Wayne,

Don't complain, my attorney charges me $450/hour for an unresolved issue with my AW ex-wife. 

My RW now thinks her children should become lawyers.

[Ronnie]

I have never heard of this being a problem for a man in these circumstances. There maybe a problem for him if he decides to bring another foreign woman in on a K visa and his last fiancee ran off. Also I heard that the I-134 is superseded by the I-864 Affidavit of Support for after the marriage and when the Adjustment of Status is applied for. That is the I-134 doesn't hold up in court. A lot of those USCIS forms need to be redone. As example a fiancee petition is used with the submission for a K-3 spousal visa. I was told nothing can be changed with the documentation unless Congress does it.


Maxx

The I-134 is not a required document and does not contain the stringent provisions of I-864.  Sometimes the I-134 is used along with the I-129F but is not recommended nor required.  It's used for the sole purpose of showing that the K-1 will be unlikely to become a public charge during the 90 days of her authorized stay.

[Wayne]

The divorce is final. We had the settlement conference on 15 Sep--but O later refused to sign and return the settlement papers.  Finally, we got the Judge to sign the judgement.

O was a half hour late getting to the court room, so my Attorney and I were thinking she would not show up. O's attorney was there, but she did not know if O was coming or not.  There was a terp and the whole thing took five times longer that it should have.  We read the settlement into the record in the court room.

O did not get alimony or anything else.  Her car was repo'd as she did not make the payments. We tried to get her to accept some of the credit card debt--but she would not!  The whole proceedings lasted a year, when it should have only been a few months, and I paid way too much in attorney fees.

According to O's Attorney, O is living in New York City, working for government as an "Inspector"  I do not have any other information.

It seems that O and daughter will try to stay in USA.  She did not speak to me. She dressed in secy, tight fitting typical Russian clothes in the court room and really looked out of place. 

[BillyB]

According to O's Attorney, O is living in New York City, working for government as an "Inspector"  I do not have any other information.
 

O is working otherwise you would be paying alimony.

Why don't you have anymore info on her job? Both of you must state you do for a living and what you both earn so the judge can factor that in his decision.

Did you have to pay for her attorney? Your divorce lasted a year so depending how much they worked on your case, attorney fees could be around $20,000-50,000 easily. Your marraige lasted months. With the visa process and cost of divorce, I wonder what the cost per day was to be married to that RW? Some men say it's cheaper to rent a hooker. They aren't lying.

Thanks for the update.

[Gator]

Wayne,

You must feel better that this sad saga has ended.  

Your words "really looked out of place" are so poignant.   That was her problem - she was really out of place with you, with your home, with your city, with American culture, ...

Forget about her!

[Gator]

Some men say it's cheaper to rent a hooker. They aren't lying.

The Option of Purchasing

The math  on the Paul McCartney-Heather Mills divorce is as follows:  After 5  years of marriage, he paid her $49 million.
Assuming he had sex every  night during their 5 year relationship it ended up costing him $26,849 per  time.

The Option of Leasing
 
On  the other hand, New York Governor Elliot Spitzer's  hooker, Kristen,  an absolute stunner charged $4,000 per night.
 

Had Paul  McCartney "employed" Kristen for 5 years, he would  have paid  $7.3 million in total,  for sex  every  night for  5 years: 

(a $41.7  million savings).   


There is much more.  Value-added  benefits are:

? a 22 year  old
? no  begging
? no  coaxing
? never a  headache
? happily  agrees to all requests
? no  complaining
? no  honey-do lists
? has great  leg(s)!!
? Best of  all, she leaves , and comes back when asked. All at 1/7th the  cost  and no  legal fees.


Sometimes  leasing just makes more sense.


The above is a joke of course, yet as the Russians say, "In every joke there is truth."

[remiel6]

 

That is a very funny analysis.

 

 

Thanks for making me smile.

[JR]

Sometimes  leasing just makes more sense.

I had a aquaintence who does just that, he leases. Back when I knew him he paid a rather attractive, young lady to be his girlfriend. Back in the early nineties he was paying her salary of a hundre thousand a year plus clothing allowance, cars, etc. She lived with him at his Beverly Hills home, travelled with him on his personal jet and functioned as his "girlfriend."

They were both quite happy with the arrangement until she wanted kids...I hear the new one is a big breasted biotch

[dobradavid]

I had a aquaintence who does just that, he leases. Back when I knew him he paid a rather attractive, young lady to be his girlfriend. Back in the early nineties he was paying her salary of a hundre thousand a year plus clothing allowance, cars, etc. She lived with him at his Beverly Hills home, travelled with him on his personal jet and functioned as his "girlfriend."

NY Times Profiles Controversial "Sugar Daddy" Dating Website

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/11/seekingarrangementcom-ny_n_185906.html

[Wayne]

Thought I would show you where O is living. That is on Surf Avenue, West of Brighton Beach area. The apartment building has 24 floors and 734 units. A typical two bedroom condo of about 1000 sq ft sells for about $450,000. There is 24 hour security and a large swimming pool.  Condo maintenance is about $630 per month.There is a bus stop right at the building and a subway station not too far away.  Most things are within walking distance. Across the street, is Asser Levy Seawide Park. I believe the Astroland Amusement Park is now closed. There is a beach with a long boardwalk. Many Russians live in this area.

Makes me wonder: Who is footing the bill?  What do you think?

[Ade]

Thought I would show you where O is living. That is on Surf Avenue, West of Brighton Beach area. The apartment building has 24 floors and 734 units. A typical two bedroom condo of about 1000 sq ft sells for about $450,000. There is 24 hour security and a large swimming pool.  Condo maintenance is about $630 per month.There is a bus stop right at the building and a subway station not too far away.  Most things are within walking distance. Across the street, is Asser Levy Seawide Park. I believe the Astroland Amusement Park is now closed. There is a beach with a long boardwalk. Many Russians live in this area.

Makes me wonder: Who is footing the bill?  What do you think?

I wonder more why you care. Forget her, move on and get on with your life.

[Shadow]

As you took her from her country, I suppose you are the one who is generous enough. :evil:

[kievstar]

Looks like a nice place.  Did some research and your numbers are accurate on listing price but if you look at actually sale price around 200K for the nicer units and over 1,200 square feet.  Many units are in foreclosure as well.  She probably got a real deal on the price. Got a nice foreclosure.

You should be giving her 4,000 a month for support so it should cover her costs.  you married her and brought her to USA.  Your responsible for her.

You really need to let her go.  She is not moving back to your area of Michigan.

[groovlstk]

Kievstar is correct. Those high-rises in and around Brighton were built during the boom and the forclosure rates are astromonical. Outside of a $1 billion makeover plan to improve nearby Coney Island - which may push back some of the blight - that area is crappy and probably has the most concentrated population in the US of people relentlessly trying to game the system.  Too much crime, too far from Manhattan, too many indifferent Soviet-era Russians, and too dirty. (Locals refer to the beach there as "the world's largest ashtray.")

[Misha]

Makes me wonder: Who is footing the bill?  What do you think?

You wrote in an earlier post: "O did not get alimony or anything else." So, you are not paying anything, so at this point why should you care? As others have noted, it is done, it is finished, hopefully you learned something from the experience, but it is time to put it behind you and move on. I know that it is hard to let go, but it must be done.

[ECOCKS]

I think someone else posted this a year or so ago but it is well worth printing, framing and contemplating.

Best of luck in these tough times.