Why does she need an escape plan if you're such a nice guy?

[Enot]

enot, first I will apologize for saying that you lied about having a Russian wife. I have learned of your marriage to the Russian woman Lana and the details of the breakup.  Truly a sad experience. But the other things I have learned tell me that you did not live and work in Russia, in fact, your first visit to Russia was in May, 2006 to meet her and you had to get a passport for that trip. You don't speak Russian, you know nothing about FSUW and their culture, and you haven't a clue about either loving or knowing,  Still, I can now understand your fascination with the issue.  You have been seeking straight answers to a question and ignoring those that were provided, at the same time not being straight with the members here.

Out of common decency to a man who clearly has problems, I won't go into any of the details of what I now know, but if you persist in offering yourself up as any kind of expert on the FSU, FSUW, or how to have a successful relationship I will provide a PM with the information to anyone who asks.

I'm not one who normally engages in personal attacks, but I think you are a danger to anyone who might listen to any advice you attempt to offer.

I honestly wish you well in life and much happiness with your new wife.  I can only imagine how difficult it is to be married (in reality) so late in life and the adjustments that come with that.  But please in the future limit your comments on this forum to something you actually know something about and don't try to BS us.  There are too many knowledgeable people here who will see through it.  I assure you that I will be watching, as will the other "good old boys" who like to keep this the best and most accurate forum.

I have no idea what you are talking about.  My Russian wife's name was Marina.

I figured you wouldn't change your ways and continue to attack people.  Keep watching for my opinions, I'm sure you won't agree with them.  I know you think you're an expert but you ahve a lot to learn based on your posts and questions.

Maybe 46 is old to begin married life but I am in a stable position in a stable profession, healthcare, so financially things coundn't be better, now that the price of gas has fallen!   We also have both had to make adjustments but we now have a set schedule and began to KNOW each other better.

Thanks for the best wishes.  I honestly wish no one any harm, I'm just trying to covey my point and opinion without being attacked.

[ScottinCrimea]

This is getting way too bizarre for me.  When I first read your last post you claimed to be 36 years old.  I looked at your profile and it also said 36.  Then moments later I see you have edited your post and now claim to be 46 and your profile has been changed to that age.  Elsewhere you have described yourself as 50+ and post pictures of you with gray hair and beard.  Maybe Dan can tell us when your profile was last edited.

I suggested that you just let it drop, but you continue to persist, and now you are playing these sorts of games.  No need for this to be debated.  If anyone here wants to see for themselves how enot has described himself and his experience on other sites, just PM me and I'll be happy to provide the link and you can decide for yourself just who is the liar here.

Keep in mind, enot, that it was you who threw the first stone.  Everything I have said in response has been in my defense.

[Enot]

I think you're a little paronoid, dilusional, and you have me confused with someone else.

[Enot]

william, I agree.  I'm content to leave it here and resume the original intent of the thread.  If enot wants to persist, I suggest he start a new thread or I will move it to the Anything Goes section and we can really get nasty.

I thought you were "content to leave it here", now who's the liar?

[OlgaH]

My question is what is more important in marriage.  Knowing someone or loving someone?

As for me  the "loving someone" is more important  because when you love someone, you have reason for it. You  know something about that person that you love  How much do you know about a person especially before to take the decision to marry him/her ?

How can you love someone and not know them? Yes, you may not know then 100%, but you should aim for 99%.

99% ? IMO it is just some kind of utopia, and if I followed to this utopia I would remain an old maid until my death...

My grandfather taught me:  you should go with a person through the fire, water and   "copper pipe" to know him/her better,  it means you should experience  good and bad things together in the life and only after you can tell how much you know that person.   

Enot, you started saying that not all men in this pursuit are idiots, while others have been saying that most of them are. I say 99% are, the rest know what they are doing.

It seams that people like "99%" 

I would not say that 99% of men in this pursuit are idiots...but I also will not  dispute your percentage, Anastassia, you are in this business and you know better about your clients.     

[William3rd]

william, I agree.  I'm content to leave it here and resume the original intent of the thread.  If enot wants to persist, I suggest he start a new thread or I will move it to the Anything Goes section and we can really get nasty.

Too bizzarre, eh? I fail to see all of the "lies" that have been referred to in this thread. You guys can sort out it all out.
And the philospophy escapes me from time to time. . . .  prolly due to eitherr my lack of education or my lack of reason.

Have fun. . . .

[AnastassiaAsh]

It seams that people like "99%" 

I would not say that 99% of men in this pursuit are idiots...but I also will not  dispute your percentage, Anastassia, you are in this business and you know better about your clients.     

Olga, I would like to clarify a little. I am not sure about 99%, but it seems to me that most of men, very very very many men in this pursuit do not do their homework, do not know how to build any relationship, do not know how to understand women, do not know the rules of this kind of pursuit. And lots of them actually do not know this about themselves and do not seek help. That's the sad part. Or only after about 5 years of failure it dawns on them that they might need some help. But also there are lots of clients who actually know what they are doing, just need some help and approval from me. And I am happy about that. Those who found this board and couple of other boards are lucky, but just imagine those who have not yet and are still lost in the dark waters...

[groovlstk]

Olga, I would like to clarify a little. I am not sure about 99%, but it seems to me that most of men, very very very many men in this pursuit do not do their homework, do not know how to build any relationship, do not know how to understand women, do not know the rules of this kind of pursuit. And lots of them actually do not know this about themselves and do not seek help. That's the sad part.

I'd agree with this, 100%  and too many of these sad sacks seek help from people who don't have their best interests at stake.

[OlgaH]

Those who found this board and couple of other boards are lucky, but just imagine those who have not yet and are still lost in the dark waters...

Yes, Anastassia, it is good to have such boards... but another side also is that some of experienced and knowledgeable people can be lost in the dark waters of their own wisdom... they will interpret and criticize somebody's thoughts from their own wisdom, in limits of only their own  unshakable wisdom...   

BTW here  two posts from an old member who is "an expert on the Russian/Ukrainian female mind" as he said about himself.

     I married the first FSU woman I met, but having since moved to ... and lived here I have met innumerable women here...

My experience is that I have never seen a people more loving than those of the FSU.  As far as sex, RW make great lovers because they aren't inhibited about it, just the oposite of what he claims.  Sure, if you're a bad lover, they will just lay there and wait for you to finish, but wouldn't any woman? 

So, where did his experience and wisdom about sex with Russian women come from, if he married the first FSU woman he met...   
 

[ScottinCrimea]

BTW here  two posts from an old member who is "an expert on the Russian/Ukrainian female mind" as he said about himself.

So, where did his experience and wisdom about sex with Russian women come from, if he married the first FSU woman he met...   
 

Olga, I was wondering when someone would go back and dig up that old post.   The exact quote is this, "Through all of this I have pretty much become an expert on the Russian/Ukrainian female mind, the "Soviet mentality" and the art of scamming."  Even with the quailification of "pretty much" it was over the top and I have since recanted on numerous posts.  To put it into perspective, while limited to some extent, my experience was light years ahead of any other WM I had met.  Having been introduced to the members of this board I have learned that there is a wealth of knowledge and experience here that I have been fortunate to be able to tap into.

I will leave the issue of my experience about sex with RW to your imagination, just as we can leave to the imagination your experience about sex with RW.  But I still stand by what I said on the second quoted post.  Is there anyone here with "more" experience who would disagree with what I wrote?

[OlgaH]

Olga, I was wondering when someone would go back and dig up that old post.  

I will leave the issue of my experience about sex with RW to your imagination, just as we can leave to the imagination your experience about sex with RW.

Dig up?  I simply took interest in your experience  No, I will not bother my imagination about your sexual experience with Russian/Ukraine women , I just take that your posts in comparative analysis       

[ScottinCrimea]

Dig up?  I simply took interest in your experience  No, I will not bother my imagination about your sexual experience with Russian/Ukraine women , I just take that your posts in comparative analysis       

I'm just flattered that you take such a deep interest in me and my sexual experience. 

[OlgaH]

I'm just flattered that you take such a deep interest in me and my sexual experience. 

Again you  read somebody's posts with your own interpretation that is far from what was written 

[Sculpto]

LMFAO!

Scott has a crush on Olga!

[OlgaH]

LMFAO!

Scott has a crush on Olga!

and it not the first time  should I be flattered? Scott, yes I am 

[Sculpto]

lol, dont take this the wrong way but he has good taste..

[OlgaH]

lol, dont take this the wrong way but he has good taste..

only if he likes spicy  Scott, do you like oriental cuisine? 

[ScottinCrimea]

I'm just flattered that you take such a deep interest in me and my sexual experience.  

Again you  read somebody's posts with your own interpretation that is far from what was written 
 

Dig up?  I simply took interest in your experience 

My mistake.  You have a simple interest in my experience, not a deep one. LOL   I'm happy we're both flattered.  It's much better that way.

Sorry Sculpto, but if I want a fiery RW, I'll stick with my own.  Having two would kill me!

And yes, Olga, I love oriental cuisine.  Isn't it obvious?

[Sculpto]

Olga.. you know when I was with my girl in Moscow and realized she has an amazing, intelligent and sarcastic sense of humor I was reminded of you and I knew I had found a very good woman.  

[OlgaH]

My mistake.  You have a simple interest in my experience, not a deep one. LOL   I'm happy we're both flattered.  It's much better that way.

Sorry Sculpto, but if I want a fiery RW, I'll stick with my own.  Having two would kill me!

And yes, Olga, I love oriental cuisine.  Isn't it obvious?

Tonight is a killing evening...  The rising Moon feels a deep delight covering itself with fiery veils of clouds, being flattered by the setting Sun's present...

Moon at sunset...  in charming aroma of oriental spices that are spreading around from ... my kitchen 

   

[OlgaH]

Sculpto, I wish you all the best in  relationship with your Lady 

Find a Mikhail Zoshchenko books (of course if you haven't read it yet) . I think your lady will appreciate it   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Zoshchenko

[Sculpto]

Thanks for the tip Olga.  I have not read this author before but he looks very interesting.  I am currently reading Gogol for the first time.. "Dead Souls".  I am enjoying it a lot.  I love how it starts off almost silly and slowly progresses into real depth... though the anti-semitism is a bit disturbing..

[OlgaH]

Thanks for the tip Olga.  I have not read this author before but he looks very interesting.  I am currently reading Gogol for the first time.. "Dead Souls".  I am enjoying it a lot.  I love how it starts off almost silly and slowly progresses into real depth... though the anti-semitism is a bit disturbing..

Don't worry about Gogol's antisemitism it is not something like his individual and concrete (or specific), it is an old cliché of a Jew's image that was typical in literature, and not only in Russian at that time, nothing about reality , an echo of an old traditional theological idea about unknown and incomprehensible Jewish world   

[Sculpto]

I understand what you mean Olga.. there were a few interesting incidents relative to this image of Jews while I was in Moscow.. the funniest one was on Halloween night when we wanted to go to the club.. we had gotten off the Metro and it was raining a bit so "A" wanted to go in a taxi.. there were several waiting near the metro station and so she asked how much to go to the club.. she didn't like the price and afterwards she told me the driver asked her where her "yarmulke" was. 

I find Hemingway's description of a Jewish character in one of his books, I forget which one, to be more disturbing than what I have read in Gogol so far.

[OlgaH]

I find Hemingway's description of a Jewish character in one of his books, I forget which one, to be more disturbing than what I have read in Gogol so far.

I think  you mean Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises.

Anti-Semitism 'Skin Deep'
http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/07/04/specials/hemingway-revives.html

 Remarking on Hemingway's use of derogatory terms for Jews, blacks, Italians and Frenchmen, Professor Baker wrote in the foreword to the volume of Hemingway letters that the author ''was born into a time when such epithets were regrettably commonplace on most levels of American society.''

Hemingway's anti-Semitism, he said, ''was no more than skin deep; it was mainly a verbal habit rather than a persistent theme like that of Pound.''

George Monteiro, professor of English at Brown University, said that readers now were generally willing to allow Hemingway a sort of historical largesse. ''People talked that way at that time,'' he said. ''Hemingway is enough of a historical figure for people to grant him that, the same way Mark Twain talked about Nigger Jim. But if he were writing today they wouldn't allow it.''

A number of Hemingway partisans - among them Charles Scribner Jr., whose family-owned company has published Hemingway since 1925 -have long maintained that the writer was not a mere recorder of events but an imaginative writer who skillfully blended fiction and fact. They say the publication of Hemingway's letters and recent scholarship bear that out.

The general impact of such work, Professor Nagel said, ''is to raise the estimate of Hemingway as dedicated artist and craftsman, and to diminish the picture of Hemingway as an autobiographical writer who was a journalist.''

Mr. Svoboda in his recently published book ''Hemingway & The Sun Also Rises,'' maintains, for example, that the novel is not a flawed work of journalism, as other critics and scholars have argued, but is ''superbly realized fiction.''