Russian Women - - Do they make good wives

[BC]

BC,

I would think if someone's motivations or activities are obviously contrary to the themes and goals of RWD then yes, certainly members should be warned and eventually banned IMHO.

Community standards are defined by community behaviour.  If we accept or embrace sex tours or sex tourists then that's all our community will become.  Do you want to be associated with that?

Lets take the example.. AM comes 'onboard' to report a scammer.. usually the benefit of doubt is given and a long weeding out process ensues to try and determine what went on.. and mostly we end up knowing only part of the story.  Same can happen when women deemed scammers arrive to defend themselves somehow.  We're usually a pretty tolerant crowd.

Whether Pike is a sex tourist or not has never been determined or even really been properly discussed.  He has his style of posting sexcapades.. so what.. he might tout the number of women bedded.. so what.. he descriptions of 'dates' may be disliked.. so what.. he might be a nerd.. so what.. heck he could be even making it all up.. so what..

Has any of the hundred or so women ever complained about Pike, Albert or whomever?.. here or elsewhere?

Kicking someone off board for unsubstantiated and highly subjective reasons just opens the door for excluding others for unsubstantiated and subjective reasons.

How long has RWD been around with what Dan calls an 'inclusive' policy?.. years?.. Is RWD filled with flocks of folks with posts similar to Pike's or even worse?  I think not. 

The evidence that RWD is going to become something else or be tarnished is just not there folks, so all this talk about 'sextourists' *to me* is irrelevant, shows a good bit of intolerance and yes... pure paranoia and unwarranted fears.

What's the definition of a sextourist anyway and how the heck would that be applied here?  For all we know even I could be included in the definition.

[Misha]

The evidence that RWD is going to become something else or be tarnished is just not there folks, so all this talk about 'sextourists' *to me* is irrelevant, shows a good bit of intolerance and yes... pure paranoia and unwarranted fears.

What's the definition of a sextourist anyway and how the heck would that be applied here?  For all we know even I could be included in the definition.

I agree. It is better to talk and to reason if you disagree with someone than simply kick them out.

[Sculpto]

Good points all... however, doesn't it stand to reason that if a guy comes on here touting his sexual exploits and then tries to deny he is in fact a sex tourist that there will be no reasoning with him?

For the sake of easier definition we can use PUA, Pick Up Artist, instead of Sex Tourist.

I am not saying anyone should be banned.  I have in the past been banned from a list simply for reporting negative experiences with agencies and from an anti scam board for questioning the method the Admin was using to detemine if someone.  Banning serves no one.

Perhaps a new category could be added for casual dating?  But then don't we open a pandoras box that could end up with TR's from sex tourists/ PUAs? 

I once read a board for men who travel for sex.  There was a long story from a guy in India that was using ICQ to hook up with Russian girls.  He was very proud of himself for seducing the innocent he met in Archangelisk who arrived at the train station with her parents to meet him because he had promised her never ending love and marriage.  He did a "hit it and quit" and was very proud of hmself for getting free sex with a virgin.  I really think most of us would rather not have such stories and people mixing it up with us.

[catzenmouse]

My main issue with Pike/Albert/Hub is the multiple identities to present the message. This in itself is a lie and as such biases anything further posted by these identities.

The content is valuable information and should be known by those in this, or just getting into this, so that is fine and welcome.

By playing the multiple name game the message is lost in the bias created.

[ScottinCrimea]

Have those who are defending Pike's/Hubs/Albert's post actually read them?  I think if they had they would all arrive at the same conclusion that I have - that he doesn't represent the goals of this forum or those who choose to post here. I would suggest that those who are posting here read the posts of "albert" and then come back and say that these are acceptable ideas within this forum.

Ultimately, as Kuna said, we have to accept some community standards.  To be honest, if this is the standard that the majority of the community accepts, then I see it as a community in which I don't fit.

It really is a shame, because Pike has experience with some things that would be a great benefit for him to share.  The fact that he feels the need to focus his advice on the sexual realm dirties it all.

[William3rd]

Ultimately, as Kuna said, we have to accept some community standards.  To be honest, if this is the standard that the majority of the community accepts, then I see it as a community in which I don't fit.

I think I agree with you. . .

[BC]

Have those who are defending Pike's/Hubs/Albert's post actually read them?  I think if they had they would all arrive at the same conclusion that I have - that he doesn't represent the goals of this forum or those who choose to post here. I would suggest that those who are posting here read the posts of "albert" and then come back and say that these are acceptable ideas within this forum.

Ultimately, as Kuna said, we have to accept some community standards.  To be honest, if this is the standard that the majority of the community accepts, then I see it as a community in which I don't fit.

It really is a shame, because Pike has experience with some things that would be a great benefit for him to share.  The fact that he feels the need to focus his advice on the sexual realm dirties it all.

I think I agree with you. . .

Yes I have read many, but not all of Albert's /Pike's tales over the years.  As with any reader, I have the choice to read, skim, ignore..  I usually lightly skim to see if there is anything that interests me or is funny.

That he has a desire to share his intimate relations is his business.. after all sex is hopefully a part of WM/RW relationships and very few have been bold enough to open up in that area.  I do admit though that he went a bit overboard with it (as other posters sometimes do, including myself) and could otherwise get his intent across in a more subtle manner..  but well.. I guess that's Pike.

But that's all besides the point..

All of a sudden, Pike posts a topic, does not describe any juicy sex experiences except for the number of women he had relations with, comments on another members post with his experience and all of a sudden.... AFTER YEARS!!! we get our panties bunched and pull the old my way or highway routine with veiled threats to bail ship?  Comeon.. all this for ONE member out of 4,056???

Hells bells... we should be applauding his current posts instead of bashing.

[William3rd]

Again- your belittling discussion doesnt change my opinion of the poster-or apparently the opinions of many many others - one whit.

[vwrw]

Have those who are defending Pike's/Hubs/Albert's post actually read them? 

I have not read Albert’s post and I cannot say anything about him. However, I do read Pike’s and Hub’s posts . They are not indoctrinated individuals; they think for themselves and that is why I find it very interesting and often refreshing to learn how they see things from their perspective. 

Both of them have enriched me with several ideas.  Certainly I would like them to continue posting.

he doesn't represent the goals of this forum or those who choose to post here.

IMO, the goals of this forum is to provide a site where people share their opinions about FSUw and their experience.  If you do not like what Pike has to say, you have right to not read his posts.

we have to accept some community standards. 

The only standards of behavior you have to accept  were listed  for you when you were signing up to be member of this forum. You do NOT have to accept any other standards if you do not wish to.

[msmoby_ru]

Both of them have enriched me with several ideas.  Certainly I would like them to continue posting.

OMG.. care to tell us how "they"  enriched you ? !

IMO, the goals of this forum is to provide a site where people share their opinions about FSUw and their experience.  If you do not like what Pike has to say, you have right to not read his posts.

or comment on them, and Pike gets "upset"..

The only standards of behavior you have to accept  were listed  for you when you were signing up to be member of this forum. You do NOT have to accept any other standards if you do not wish to.

Is your name Dan ?

[William3rd]

OMG.. care to tell us how "they"  enriched you ? !


or comment on them, and Pike gets "upset"..

Is your name Dan ?

If you dont know who this woman is. . . she created a false identity to deceive the members of this forum some time back. The correct terms for her would be prevaricator and instigator. Naturally she doesnt look to the past since her own dishonesty stares her in the face.

So take her posts with more than a grain of salt. Personally, I keep her on ignore and dont read her at all but since you quote her, I will take the liberty of putting an "asterisk" next to her post

[Gator]

or comment on them, and Pike gets "upset"..

Say what you wish about Pike, but please note that he shows remarkable restraint considering the level of abuse he has received from some RWD members. 

I am not nominating him for the Lady Byng award, yet everyone should sit back and think about his reactions compared to those of several other members.

Simply put, Pike is neither argumentative nor vindictive, nor does he harbor animosity.  He expresses his opinion and almost always exits, even when the responses are off the mark.

[vwrw]

OMG.. care to tell us how "they"  enriched you ? !

They enriched me by bringing to light some of their observations regarding people’s conduct which I failed to notice myself and which subsequently had impact on how I react in response on the conduct.

For example, approximately one years ago, in one of his post , Pike *asked* “Why when one person does not understand other one, s/he thinks the other one is an idiot?”  This question  made me pondering. Ever since I have much more tolerance to other people’s opinions and people who have no tolerance to my opinion trigger only one reaction in me - smile.

I do not want to reveal other Pike’s or Hub’s ideas which have had impact on me because this info would expose some of my weak places pushing on which people would inflict unpleasantness on me.

[Jack]

Ultimately, as Kuna said, we have to accept some community standards.  To be honest, if this is the standard that the majority of the community accepts, then I see it as a community in which I don't fit.

I think I agree with you. . .

Gentlemen, come on.  It's the world wide web. I understand that's pretty big, includes a hole lotta people. Of course their are going to be individuals who do things, see things, differently. If you do not want to accept the "standard" of an individual, if you want to protest the "standards" of an individual, I think the solution is easy,........ use your ignore button.  Really.

Sometimes you realize how good a community is by seeing, reading, knowing, what else is happening.

If you are offended by the writing of someone, turn them off, you have that right. People will decide for themselves whose post's they want to read and if they want to read Pike's post, or Jack's post's or William's post, they will.

I certainly do not agree with everything Pike writes, but I don't have to. I do find a lot of things he writes about to be factual, and some things entertaining. And some things a little disgusting but I am sure that I do things, and Kuna does things, and Scott does things that Pike would find disgusting.

And last, I think their is some educational value in some of Pike's posts.

In a thread discussing Russian women's morals I have expressed my own opinion on the average Russian woman's morals compared to the average American woman's morals. I do not have an opinion of a Russian woman's morals compared to an Aussie or English or any other countries women.

As I have stated, to me, it's not even close. Of course their are always exceptions to every thing and no two women in the world are alike, but based on the "average" Russian woman population compared to the "average" American woman population, to me, it's not even close. The average Russian woman does have more and better morals than the average American woman. And again, my opinion only, yours can varies.  And Pike's does.

Pike has expressed his feelings about the morals of Russian women, which are opposite of mine. Totally opposite.   "What", I say to myself, "how can that be?".   And I am serious, how we can express such totally different perspectives.

Maybe we are seeing, have experience with different type Russian women, so I mention this to Pike.  Pike replies and based on his answer, his experience, yea, he is seeing a totally different segment of Russian women. So I read, maybe I learn something, maybe not. But I do have the option of reading or not. If some of you are offended by what Pike writes, don't read his posts.

[Sculpto]

Jack.. I think your post is mostly right on the mark.  I think what is offensive about Pike's post is not that he has bedded a lot of loose women, or the specualtion that he is acting as a PUA and may be taking advantage of naive women, but, that his reports contain an element of locker room bravado that I think many people find really childish and which degrades the rather high level of discussion that goes on here. 

I know some of what he says is true.  We have recently had a thread regarding the sex trade in Russia.  On the trip I just made a girl friend of "A" was very worried about not being able to find a legit job and might be forced to go to work stripping or worse.  She wanted to do literally ANYTHING to avoid sex work, but, was resigned to do it if nothing turned up.  Do I consider "A"s girl friend moral?  Well, she was a nice girl, very beautiful, wanted to be a good girl but was willing to do bad things to survive in Moscow.  She reminded me a lot of many of the girls I know in the art scene here in SF that faced the same decisions and ended up rather corrupted/tweaked in the head/heart and rather hatefull of men.  However, what I found interesting about the friends dilema was how "matter of fact" she was about discussing it.  She demonstrated no outward signs of shame when she spoke about her choices, only a preference not to do it.  The girls I know in SF were all very secretive about their work in the sex trade.

[Jumper]

Hmm it's a discussion board, about RW.

i've an idea , how about discussing that? lol

in that light,
mirs post was a story about perceived RW traits.
and its assumed to have a point of reference that it is RW , when compared to western womem ,or culture?

I find both mirs stories information ,  and Pikes/alberts answers  overall not really RW traits in my experience.

yes some of the things described are stereotypes that may have some merit,,
but not presented as generalities.

RUSSIAN WOMEN  Do They Make Good Wives?

yes ,.but just like any nationality , you had better marry someone you are compatable with

In Russia it is unacceptable to show any kind of affection in public.

pike -There was once a lot of truth to this.  Now things are changing, but there is still some resistance to public affection

i don't find that to be true at all, i am wondering if this is an age group situation?
all the RW i know(and of various ages)  generally are just as openly affectionate as western women tend to be in "general" for the respective AGE group they belong to


But this is not really the problem, the real problem is that they are taught never to show affection and emotion.

pike- There is some truth to this.

taught? by whom and how?   never to show affection or emotion? i think most an married man here can attest that RW "in general" are far more likely to show both affection and emotion
(in fact "in general" likely  a wider range,  with higher highs and lower lows ? )

 
A wife could tell on her husband, if he wasn't doing something right.

 It did happen that a spouse could complain to local 'block leaders' or the head of a person's plant, etc.  These people would then talk with the 'offenders' and try to resolve the issue.  I heard it from several persons.


When the KGB was closed less than 10 years ago, the reporters were shown into the KGB building.  In one large room in that building was a list of 10 million Russians that had been shot by the KGB.  These people were simply listed as "Enemies of the State."

This, of course, did happen.  I don't think the KGB actually shot all of them, but they died in one manner or another.  People that I talked with said people in their own families were taken away.  These people came to accept it as almost OK because they were brainwashed over and over with the idea that those taken away were simply 'Enemies of the State.'

while this may bear some slight revelence if dating a soviet era RW, odds are (are the polls indicate )
this does not effect very many WM /RW relationships,,


Russian women often talk about love, but unfortunately and sadly, they do not know what love is.

pike-There is some truth to this, but it could possibly be said of many others also.

pure *cough* BS  speculation on an entire  culture of women, who are raised in a society that tends toward romanticism  ,and higher arts. listen, while RW can be both calculating and cold if dire straights are motivating them,,
but i'll take akums razor for $1,000 alex,
 and say that RW in general know love as an emotion ,
equally as well as any women on earth..
 and  dedication to someone they truly love  as likely far greater than some cultures ,
with plenty of "general" history to show the results


They will certainly never demonstrate their love with kisses and hugs.  They don't
even like kisses and hugs.

pike- These words are simply ridiculous.  FSU women love to hug and kiss.

yes in general i agree with pike, they love attention and affection,the original story is absurd

They don't take part (in sex) except to lay still and let it happen.

pike-Actually, there is some truth to this, at least with the 40 - 50 year old FSU women that I was with.  But, the good news is, they can and will change with some coaching.  And, there is some reason for their initial behavior.  They are used to living 4 to 10 people or so in a two room apartment.  So we have grandparents, parents, married children and children living in close proximity.  It is simply not acceptable to have a lot of movement around in a bed, and even less acceptable to hear verbal outbursts normally associated with the sex process.

the original story is beyond foolish.
as far as pikes reply - interesting take ,and i do think the confined space with nearby family effects things at that moment,
but  i certainly do not agree that it has any lasting effects when out of a constraining enviroment,
 nor do RW need coaching in that regard? .. they are not some poodle ? .. they certainly have the brains to recognize when and where  a situation is different, and will act accordingly by thier very own decisions.. and emotions and passion.. all  quite normally..and naturally


Russian men are all macho.  Many Russian men are so macho that they don't look both ways when crossing the street.  Looking isn't macho.  Thus many get killed by cars.  Of course, the men in the cars are macho too, thus they pretend they don't see the people on foot.  Macho for men is the thing in Russia.  Women in Russia expect it.

pike- There is a lot of truth to this macho thing.  It manifests itself in many ways in the FSU and the women seem to like it or at least accept it.

while seemingly exaggerated a bit for effect, this seems on the mark.. but that is true of many many other cultures as well ..

Russian women think it is normal to not show love.  Thus you will not be able to change them.  They don't want to change.

pike -Not true today.  They will change . . . with tender loving care.

this is answered previously,,I think it is maybe age group related,
,  in fact i find it quite false in general..
nor do they need encouraged to "change"
 
As far as sex is concerned, they like it, and they want it.  You are expected to climb on and do your thing as often as you like, but don't expect them to take part other than to do what they are told.  If you are like 80% of the American men, that might be OK, but if you want a woman who shows love and affection
during sex and who sometimes kisses you and even touches you, then don't try a Russian wife.

pike -There are some contradictory words here, so hard to make comments.   In my opinion, FSU women do like sex more than AW.  As I noted earlier, the 40 - 50 year old women tended to be somewhat inactive as far as movement, etc., but they did become active when given suggestions, etc., and they seemed to enjoy the new movement very much.  So yes, they 'do what they are told' but it seemed to be an enjoyable thing for them, rather than simply rote movement as suggested by the OP.  And, they are very much into touching and kissing.  Plus, they are, on average, much more open to various sexual positions and procedures than the average AW.  And they seemed to enjoy all of this more than the typical AW.


i dont think pikes take is far off.. again the age thing is relevent perhaps?

but "in general" the original stories comments on this subject are beyond  ridiculas.
i cant imagine anyone coming to that conclusion ? , other than a man married to  a woman whom despises  him..
   or married to a very strange women,be she russian or whatever nationality..

Russian ladies are almost all very beautiful.

pike- This is total BS.  Once you get beyond the popular streets downtown where the 9s and 10s come regularly to strut their stuff, you will encounter very homely looking women; same as in any other country.  What always throws off the average guy on these boards is that a large portion of the women in the FSU dress to look like hookers.  Even though the guys don't like to admit it; they are attracted to the gals that look like hookers.  But take off all that make-up, get rid of that short skirt, see-through blouse and high heels, put her in some baggy blue jeans, sweat shirt and running shoes; and . . . here is the AW shopping at Safeway.


lol, well pike does have a point, and the original story is silly at best..
 however personally i feel the truth is in between.
RW do tend to have better apperance and its from several reasons,
1. sorry but yes slavic looks and this region of the world do produce an uncanny amount of the worlds super models,
there is a reason for it. lets not be silly and so PC as to forget what the "general" view of beauty is,in TV, movies ,mags, etc..
, and  more people from this region have the genetics of very slim build  with hieght , and fine features/ facial structure.
blue eyes etc etc   
2. the culture does tend to effect dress, and while RW may or may not dress like hookers,,
they DO tend to take a more active role in fashion and in general  the details of thier personal apprearence.
it is cultural for both men and women. this cant be denied really.
3.they simply are *in general* in better shape than in the west.
obesity is at an all time high in western culture and the numbers of men and women who could lose a few pounds
far our number those i ngoo dshape.
 as people age (even in the FSU) they tend to put on *some* weight, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that even a 10% difference in this trend would cause a large part of the population to appear a bit more attractive to the average eye.
 RW walk, everywhere (yes this is changing) bu teven this simple diffrence has an effect.
imagine if MOST western women walked everywhere daily.. or simply lost that nagging 10 or 15 pounds.
the amount of women in the west  viewed as truly attractive would go up considerably
 (and yes there are plenty of attractive women i nth erwest anyway)


The cold climate and the wet weather produces beautiful women.

pike-Totally absurd statement.

lol yes i agree with pike .more likely the vikings had some obscure effect,, which might be attributed to cold weather influences lmao!


Their light switches turn light on in the up position.

pike- Actually, this is not true.  The position that causes the light to come on is randomly assigned thoughout most apartments.  And I am not talking about two way switches here!!  Same can be said for which faucet provides the  hot or cold water!  Smiley

relevence councelor?

But if you are expecting any gratitude for your spending money and time then forget it.  They believe that their husbands (boyfriends) owe it all to them.  They will expect you to do everything and buy them everything and they will seldom, if ever say thanks.  They never say please, or thanks.  It makes them feel degraded to do such a thing.

pike- Unfortunately, this is still almost 100% true.

i see that in some instances, but certainly cant say its a general rule of thumb.
RW i know are generally thoughtful and say the normal pleasantries of thank you ,and you're welcome.
Those exact words exist in the Russian language afterall.
but as i mentioned , i've seen RW who were users and had the mentality described.
princess syndrome and an entitlement attitude are well known there

You can train them to do say thanks, but never expect a kiss or a hug when you come home.

pike-I would say this is backwards.  They eagerly hug and kiss when you  (or they) come home.  But the thanks thing rarely occurs.

train? hmm interesting perspective in the original story..
anyway maybe i'm just more charming than the average bear,but both thanks, and hugs and kisses are easily obtained openly and easily from my wife and even our various RW friends on either side of the pond.. (ok not those kind of kisses from her friends,, where are you rminds?)



She will prefer to sleep in a separate bed like her parents did and like all Russians do.  Russian women will sleep with you if you insist, but all married people in Russia sleep in separate beds, and so if you marry a  Russian woman, her parents slept in separate beds, so she will prefer separate beds.

pike-I cannot be completely certain here, but it doesn't seem correct simply because there wasn't enough beds or room for separate beds to allow separate sleeping in the typical FSU apartment.  Myself, I sleep best in a bed alone.  For the women I was with, they were about evenly split between their happiness with this.  Some cheerfully slept in a separate bed, and some got quite angry (and a couple even left the apartment) when I suggested sleeping in separate beds.


completely goofy in the original story.(unless its some age thing? ) I don't know a single RW couple that sleeps in seperate beds here, there ,or anywhere.while i'm sure the situation occurs,  i doubt it's any more common in that culture, than in western culture


She will live taking everything you give only as a friend might, except the friend would show gratitude.

pike-Much truth here.

some truth.. but if a RW loves you i would say she will learn easily,and  all by her own intelligence,
and perception, that s a lack of  percieved gratitude  bothers you, and will act accordingly.
(and yes , all on her own without the silly previously mentioned  formal pet training)


As far as my two Russian wives were concerned our sex was completely unacceptable.  After the first three weeks, it was expected that when I wanted sex she would just lay their and I would do all the action.  But although I never had a sexual problem my whole life, I could not for the life of me just make sex that way.  I expected at least a few kisses during sex.  When I wouldn't perform
both wives asked me to sleep in another bed as they couldn't sleep with someone who didn't give them good sex.

pike-I can see some truth in this; at least in my initial encounters with some women.  However, as I stated earlier, they can change and seemed pleased to do so.  Seems the OP was unlucky enough to get caught with two who would not change.  But yes, the FSU women do seem to expect good sex from the man, even when they know not what to do to please the man.  I know of two FSU women who never had an orgasm in 10 or more years of marriage (and couldn't even achieve one on their own).  They blamed it all on the man . . . when in truth we are all ultimately responsible for our own orgasms.  These two women were amazed at what I was able to teach them.

  absurd..
i dont know who these guys have dated.or married ..but please tell me so i can avoid those women or group of women,
 i cant imagine them being russian


When I suggested a marriage councilor and sexual consultant the first wife flatly refused, and the second one agreed, but refused to accompany me on the day of the appointment.  When I brought her literature back from the councilor, she refused to read it.

pike-Probably true.  To FSU people, to go or to read would signal a weakness or something that might be partly their fault.  These two are a 'no, no.'


agreed as far as RW "in general" seeing anything like that as an admittance of failure/weakness ,what have you..
a generality , as other RW would consider it.but i
'd venture they would be the anomoly,,not the norm

It is extremely unfortunate that sex is so repressed in Russia.  When I was there many people told me that it was wrong to have sex when I was not married to a woman.

pike-Certainly not true in the FSU today.  It is much more done and accepted than in USA.

the initial statement  in the story is not from the real world.at least not in  recent history

Russian women are like alcoholics, they will have to realize that something is wrong before they can be helped and I doubt that a Russian woman will ever realize that.  In her mind there is too much at stake.  It's cultures in direct
conflict, yours and hers.

The OP was referring again to counseling.  So there is much truth here.  They cannot admit to a weakness and they cannot admit that anything might be their fault.  It is a cultural thing for sure.

as far as a generality,,  cultural differences diagnosed as stubborness? lol
 not a married man here hasn't been there ,done that , i'd bet. at least a time or two

not sure why i took the time, as most people here would agree that the  initial story /data was very flawed.
 
but it could open up some thoughts on some cultural differences,,
and i wish more people would give thier input on those subjects/thoughts.
 

[msmoby_ru]

Say what you wish about Pike, but please note that he shows remarkable restraint considering the level of abuse he has received from some RWD members. 

Really, I think Scott and I have a different opinion... when asked searching Q's Pike "ducks"  and disappears for a while...

Simply put, Pike is neither argumentative nor vindictive, nor does he harbor animosity.  He expresses his opinion and almost always exits, even when the responses are off the mark.

Phil, coming from me - this will make you "smile", but *I* think Pike is a "troll".. and dips in and out having "stirred the pot"..

[wiz]

Hmm it's a discussion board, about RW.

Yes some of the things described are stereotypes that may have some merit,,
but not presented as generalities.

But it could open up some thoughts on some cultural differences,,
and i wish more people would give thier input on those subjects/thoughts.

Just came accross with this thread and I was very surprised, like you, that so many people could not differenciate between the subject posted and the points raised on this thread on the OP and like you make an effort to offer their views and imput but instead they decided to attack the OP and his lifestyle.

I am just reviving this thread to see if some people would be prepared now to offer ther views, because as you said I can also see many cultural differenes on the points made on the first post!

[Shadow]

If you can't accept "community standards" and you "don't fit" then by all means leave.  Everyone has a right to their own opinion.  Accept it, ignore it, move on, or leave.

If you would have taken the time to read dates, you might have seen that you are quite late. As for encouraging members to leave, that is the perogative of Dan, and it would be helpful if others would not cross that line.

[Misha]

I see this thread has been revived. My answer remains the same. If you find the right Russian woman for you and you her, if you love her and she loves you, then she will make a wonderful wife. The same could be said of any woman of any nationality. Find the wrong woman, and she will make your life miserable and conversely if you are the wrong man for a woman, you risk making her life unbearable.

[Enot]

I see this thread has been revived. My answer remains the same. If you find the right Russian woman for you and you her, if you love her and she loves you, then she will make a wonderful wife. The same could be said of any woman of any nationality. Find the wrong woman, and she will make your life miserable and conversely if you are the wrong man for a woman, you risk making her life unbearable.

AMEN MISHA, I totally agree!  Good wives can be found in any country.  I just had an easier time finding one in the FSU.  Why ... probably a compatibility, similar likes/dislikes, morals, and opinions.

[wiz]

I see this thread has been revived. My answer remains the same. If you find the right Russian woman for you and you her, if you love her and she loves you, then she will make a wonderful wife. The same could be said of any woman of any nationality. Find the wrong woman, and she will make your life miserable and conversely if you are the wrong man for a woman, you risk making her life unbearable.

Me to Misha

I have found the right woman and I am very happy and agree with most of what you say but you still have not addressed the comments on the original post, like AJ did!

I agree that good wifes can be found in any country but here we talk about Russian women!

I know is too long post  but is worth the effort.....

[Misha]

Me to Misha

I have found the right woman and I am very happy and agree with most of what you say but you still have not addressed the comments on the original post, like AJ did!

I agree that good wifes can be found in any country but here we talk about Russian women!

I know is too long post  but is worth the effort.....

Wiz, I have been traveling to Russia now for some 15 years. I have met countless Russian women as friends, acquaintances, family members. None of these were in the MOB scene. They were all different. Some were gruff and outspoken. Others were shy and meek. Some were stubborn. Some were not. Some were obsessed with looks. Some were not. I could go on for pages, but why? The fact of the matter is that each and every woman is unique and did not fit into any RW stereotype.

[wildy]

That's right! There are many different women in every country.
But russian women are not so strange as described in some posts. They are normal,  dont believe;)