A Russian ladies opinion please

[Fullmetaljacket]

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Hi Everyone.

I am a international sports consultant and have been tasked to find a female martial artist preferably from the Russian region for a development sponsorship. I have no experience in dealing with Russians or any woman in that general region. I will post the details of the sponsorship request below and could I have some comments, suggestions or feedback please? I am slightly out of my league here and would appreciate your assistance immensely.

Many thanks
Jacobus


We are currently seeking to award a development support sponsorship to a female kick boxer / Muay Thai practitioner or boxer to start or develop her career in Australia. This is a fantastic opportunity for a serious and dedicated martial artist to learn, excel and succeed. We will provide the opportunity to live, train and compete in Australia by awarding a development support sponsorship to a selected candidate based on the criteria below.
 
The sponsorship will include funds to entirely cover all travel costs to and from Australia, all training equipment will be provided (new equipment will purchased for candidates), all accommodation & living costs, all gym fees and medical assistance will be through Australian public medical services that is very good . The length of stay will be 12 – 24 months depending on Visa restrictions.

To all trainers and promoters, if you have a competitor that is dedicated enough for an opportunity like this, do not hesitate to contact us with their details. Or, if you are a competitor who needs assistance to develop your career also send us your details. Skill level is really irrelevant, we are seeking dedication, ambition and a need to succeed. We will give you the help and support, all you need is a burning desire to be the best you can be.

Send an email to devsupport@bigpond.com with a short description of yourself, your fight record if any, some photographs of you training or competing, gym / trainer contact details, your contact details and a valid email address in order for us to provide you with more details.
 
The following criteria are applicable: 
Applicants MUST be female and 18 years or older, resident preferably but not limited to the following countries, the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Poland or any Eastern European Country. Applications will be accepted from Asian and African countries based on merit. We will however, consider applicants from any other country should they qualify for the sponsorship.

We look forward to receiving applicants for evaluation and there are no hidden costs or charges to the applicants or candidates in any way shape or form.

Jacobus
devsupport@bigpond.com
Senior Development Consultant (International sport and recreation division)

[Lily]

Hi Jacobus,

There are only a small handful of women on this forum, and it looks like you really flatter our abilities in martial arts

My guess would be that your eventual target group here may be smaller than small...
 

[I/O]

A friend of Mrs I/O is a Russian sports trainer, currently working in Asia, travels back and forth to RU fairly often and may be able to offer some leads. You're targeting a very small gallery among RU women.

I am a international sports consultant

For whom?

medical assistance will be through Australian public medical services that is very good

Short term visa holders can't access medicare unless it is on a special Federal grant. What is the heads up behind this? If you haven't got a grant or you are not aiming at residency (TR or PR) for the candidate, it is private health insurance all the way.

Mate, I understand your circumspection in an initial post, but without much more info this looks like a crumpet trapping exercise. PM me with some verifiable info if this is legit.

I/O 

[kievstar]

A little advise.  Get on a plane and bring a Russian translator with you and go visit some of the gyms in the bigger cities of Ukraine and Russia.  You may want to just target one country.  Donetsk in Ukraine maybe a good city for you to find someone.  Muy thai will be hard to find I think and not an easy discipline to learn.  Some of the gyms I have been too (I only go for boxing) has girls with very good UFC type skills but I think your looking for the soft core fighting of boxing and kickboxing and not the complete fighter like the UFC.  which makes sense with women. 

[docetae]

You should contact them : http://www.arthopak.com.ua/en
Here is a video and there are some women in their school

[Blues Fairy]

You've chosen the wrong target audience.
Here's a strategy for you.  Go to Yandex.ru, the Russian search engine, and try typing in your martial arts keywords. It'll come up with thousands of hits such as kick-boxing.ru, okinawakarate.ru, sensei.ru et cetera.  Go to these sites and contact them for possible leads, or look if they have message boards for you to post on. 

[Fullmetaljacket]

Good day everyone

Thank you kindly for the information you have supplied. It has certainly helped by pointing me in the right direction.

Lily, thanks for pointing out the target group, I now realize it is small.

Kievstar, many thanks, your advice is appreciated and I think your option is the one I will follow. To go to the countires in question and meet with them in person. I am overdue for a holiday and would love to visit Eastern Europe in January or early February.

Docetae, thank you very much for the link, I have sent them an email and have already had a response that is very encouraging.

Blues Fairy, many thanks, I looked at the sites you provided me the links for and it does look very promising. The more I look into this assignment the more I realise how big and time consuming this will be. Together with your and kievstar's advice, I will most probably visit a few countries after doing some preparations and notifications on line.

I/O, I realise the target is small but can be reached. I do not have to prove my bona fides to anyone suffice to say that I am a freelance consultant who deals in sport sponsorships for the underprivileged, humanitarian projects, humanitarian scholarships etc. etc. I met with a Representative from DIAC during last week and a visa subclass 421 was recommended as the candidates stay will be longer than 3 months.

In relation to healthcare, DIAC informed me that should a foreign visitor or anyone in Aus become unwell they can visit a local doctor for the normal $55 fee, without a Medicare rebate. Furthermore, for emergencies a visit to the emergency room is recommended and treatment will then follow the normal outpatient process with associated charges (which is very low). You are correct that there is no Medicare access but the outpatient process for foreigners are recommended by DIAC.

I/O I could really use your help and would highly appreciate your advice and this offer is legitimate and a good opportunity. I am in a long term de-facto relationship and I have three children, I think your "crumpet trapping" comment was slightly out of place. I live in Brisbane.

Thanks again for all the advice and it has helped me significantly.

Best regards
Jacobus

[OlgaH]

Here is a Russian website of Kick boxing center Centaur Club in Moscow
 (only in Russian)

http://www.kentavr-club.ru/about.html

You can contact them
info@kickboxingclub.ru

Tel: 7 (495) 788-4161

Kim Club in Moscow
http://kickboxer.ru/femalebox.php

Tel: 7 (916) 794-91-81 ; 7 (495) 505-19-23 

 

[Fullmetaljacket]

Hi Olga

Many thanks for the links.

Best regards
Jacobus

[I/O]

I do not have to prove my bona fides to anyone

Ultimately you WILL have to prove everything. If you're seriously looking to get a Russian Woman involved in this, you'll be proving everything, right down to when you last cut your toe nails. This is not a case of find some person in Russia, tell them you have "A deal for them" and turn up at the airport to collect them. You'll find the visa process extensive IF you can find a taker which is most likely to be the killer. Russia is not over flowing with desperates, these people are very circumspect and unless you find someone with relatives in Australia (Not unlikely) you'll be pushing the proverbial schit up hill. Proving will be your biggest hurdle, might as well start from the start. I suggest some reading here............. http://www.immi.gov.au/immigration.htm

BTW, the advice from immigration is partly right (As usual), take a foreign citizen to out patients and unless you can produce a blue medicare card (These are issued to TRV holders), you'll be paying the fee immediately and that's hoping you don't have an over night admission, because if so, you're up for minimum $225.00 plus the bed fee which is (Depending on which section they are admitted to) a minimum $1000.00 per night, plus doctors, medicine and .................get the picture? I've been there and done it and my pocket knows what the deal is. If you have someone in without private cover, you're in schit, the only variance will be the depth. Even with private cover, there is several things which are "You pay". Sporty or not, she can still get hit by a car or break an arm...............$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of them.

I think your "crumpet trapping" comment was slightly out of place.

When you've seen what I've seen, it was quite in place. You'll have to be a lot more forthcomming to get any legitimate Russian woman interested.

I live in Brisbane.

At least you are operating on Gods time. Check your PM's.

I/O
 

[Fullmetaljacket]

Hi I/O

All  my bona fides will be revealed to the candidates and / or applicants and immigration authorities but not in a public forum such as this.

It sounds like you had some negative experiences but I have checked into private health for candidates and it is available and based on your experiences, I will definitely go down that avenue for the candidates / applicants.

Thanks for everyones help so far and any fruiter assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards
Jacobus

P.S. I/O stop with the crumpet trapping nonsense, I came here asking for help not cynicism. You may have seen whatever you have but I haven't yet and I am very positive about this.

[Chicagoguy]

 Your "crumpet trapping" expression is already the lead off on Google.   

 I tried to look it up because I have no idea what it means.

[Diplomacy]

I/O is trying to explain the truth my Fullmetaljacket.  They have very good reason to not trust a foreign job prospect.  Maybe read a few posts before attack a member? 

I wish you the best, but I am actively involved in humanitarian projects in Ukraine.  You can listen to I/O or not your call.  I am in the USA, so I have no idea what is what in Australia.  I can tell you that trust is earned and over time with the FSU citizens.

Who is acting as agent in this venture?  The agency you freelance for?  That would be an investment and not charity IMO.

I guess you can play Secret X, but with your actions I am surprised you got any help here. 

I/O is one of the good guys here. 

[Fullmetaljacket]

Dear Everyone

To be very honest, I am over folks like I/O and Diplomacy, everyone else were ready with information and assisted where they could, for which I am very grateful. But I have tried several other avenues (foreign embassies and the like) and the response has been tremendous. There has been some high quality applicants and I am pleased with the turnout.

Chicagoguy, "crumpet" is a derogatory term for women used in an small area in Australia. It is similar to "bitch" or "ho" but is more regularly used to refer to female genitalia. Not a pleasant term to use, and the word "trapping" needs no explanation. Perhaps you may not find it on Google as it is a very localised and not commonly used term.

Diplomacy, you have obviously not read my postings, please go and read it carefully and then comment of it again because your assumptions is at least misguided and beyond the pale of truth. I find it amusing that the Russian and Ukrainian embassies accepted my credentials but the dignitaries on this forum (Diplomacy & I/O) can't seem to.

Once we have a successful candidate and she arrives in Australia I will ask her to do a few postings here to tell her story.

I am over it, I have enough information to continue with this venture, thanks to all whom helped and for the cynical ones, get a life folks and try a more positive outlook on life it really helps.

Best regards
Jacobus




 

[groovlstk]

I am over it, I have enough information to continue with this venture, thanks to all whom helped and for the cynical ones, get a life folks and try a more positive outlook on life it really helps.

Best regards
Jacobus 

I/O has an uncanny ability to see through BS, and after seeing phrases like these below, I think people have every right to be a little skeptical of your offer and ask some probing Qs.

If you are a beginner or a well experienced competitor please respond to this post by stating you level of competence, competition record (if available) and photos of yourself training or competing

I would like to restate that this is a serious offer and a excellent opportunity to travel to and train / live in Australia. Who knows, you might meet another martial artists and get  married.

[Fullmetaljacket]

Mate, since when did you and I/O become the overlords of moral values for FSU women? They are intelligent and smart enough to see through any deception or fraudulent offer being made. I am afraid you do not give them much credit by having to intervene on their behalf.

Why does I/O have to guard against BS going to FSU women? If he sniffs out BS then I commend him on his expertise but let him keep it to himself. I did not ask for anyone to use their uncanny abilities nor did I ask for my offer to be dissected by the likes of you and I/O. My offer is my offer and I don't have to explain anything to the dignitaries on this forum who declared themselves the guardians of morality.

I asked for advice on finding a target audience, not for anyone to judge the validity of the offer. If you think this is a scam then please click on over to another posting and and cast your moral judgements on them, as I am not intrested in or concerned by your suspicions. 

This offer, thank God, does not extent to yourself or I/O so why the sudden outpouring of wisdom on the validity of this offer? Why do you concern yourself with something that will never affect you or I/O in any way shape or form? Only women who are interested in my offer has the right to ask the probing questions and can then judge for themselves, as I said before, who gave you the right to ask probing questions?

In closing, if you don't have anything good or constructive to contribute then don't contribute at all. Find another post where your opinions are relevant because I do not have the patience for your unwanted cynicism and judging the good, the bad and the ugly.

Quite frankly, leave me alone if you don't want to help.

[Lily]

Hope this thread stays relatively calm and no heated debates follow..Please don't quarrell guys 

Fullmetaljacket, I am happy that you found what you wanted.

[groovlstk]

In closing, if you don't have anything good or constructive to contribute then don't contribute at all. Find another post where your opinions are relevant because I do not have the patience for your unwanted cynicism and judging the good, the bad and the ugly.

Quite frankly, leave me alone if you don't want to help.

Chill out, sensai.

This is a public forum and from time to time we are visited by unsavory characters, from sex tourists to pimps. If you don't like it that people aren't immediately accepting 100% of what you say at face value - a healthy attitude, IMHO - then cry me a river and take your Mother Theresa act somewhere else.

[Diplomacy]

Quite frankly I do not care what you want me to do.

It is estimated that 100,000 Ukrainians have been trafficked since independence in 1991, according to the International Organization for Migration (IOM), an intergovernmental organization that works with migrants.

Guess to care how the handler lures them into this? They offer a job in some great country, and a way out from the world they have now.  Probably a hard thing for you to understand, my guess is you have never been in this position. 

A chance is better than no chance.  So before you go playing I am holier then though, and trying to beat into submission.  Know what you said is the exact thing someone that would be trying to lure a woman out of there would say.

Second, you went to the woman section and did not make post specific to a job offer. 

Third, your name is full metal jacket.  To me that is the shell of a bullet, not hollow point.  Designed to pierce through anything as apposed to rattling around a little.  Worries me someone would even chose that handle.  Do not know of any other meaning.  Somehow I am pretty sure you knew this without me explaining to you.  Just giving a little insight to the members.

Third, you said you would take a beginner.  Just strange to me, and I questioned it.

Fourth, an Aussie calls you out as to the validity of the health insurance claim and plan.  I/o is someone I trust, you are not.  You had no problem listening to where you were wrong, and then attacked after that.

Maybe the slang was to make a point,  Lead you to the real issue he was worried about. 

Fifth, you say you got Embassy approval and that is well and good.  Which one?  Your embassy in FSU or theirs in Australia.  The women are chattle to many of the men there, so it is what it is.

Sixth I think you really are a Kiwi!

You did not answer my direct questions.  You just attacked, all fair and once you attacked you showed who you really are.

All were fair.  An agent negotiates sponsorship deals, that is where they make the most money.  The athlete does the work in the field, the agent does the work for sponsorship.  I am sure as a sports consultant you know that.  You are acting like this is under guise of charity.

All this adds up to objectification.  I hope it is not but it does to us that understand it.  Please, you could have anything posted and sound like a girl from there. 

Really never seen someone without something to gain act the way you do.  Care to question me more?

[Fullmetaljacket]

Hi Lily

No quarreling from me I am finished here, thanks for your advice and I have certainly found the information I was looking for.

In my search for help I found this forum and it seemed to be a good source of information. Thanks to those members who provided constructive help and thanks for the pm's with additional info.

In closing I an not going to respond to Diplomacy because as the old saying goes,"to fight with pigs you have to roll in the mud and to catch a rat you have to descend into the sewer". 

Best regards
Jacobus

[Diplomacy]

I got an older saying "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing."  Feed to the women ego and not answer questions. You have said for three posts you are leaving.  Yet put shots across the bow and answer nothing.

You are done with me and I/O but yet comment.  Your behavior is still in line with profile.  Sorry!

We can take it to PM from here.  I will gladly give you my real name and what I do.

[kievstar]

Fullmetal, please keep me updated on what turns out.  I hope it works out .  I am actually a big fan of professional fighting. 

[Fullmetaljacket]

Hello Kievstar

Thanks for your help mate. I will definitely keep you posted, I have actually had a good response from Belarus. The applications have been of high quality, there must be a lot of activity in the martial arts in FSU countires as some of the competitors have lengthy fight records.

Some are multiple world champions and holders of national titles. I certainly did not expect this level of experience to be among the women, but they will be challenged over here. You should come to Australia Kievstar, the standard of professional fighting is very good here.

Thanks
Jacobus

[kievstar]

Do not forget about Donetsk in eastern part of Ukraine.  Some great athletes come from there.  Blue collar town with millions of people in the area.

 I do have to go to Australia for work sometime in 2009 so definitely would like to meet up.

[Fullmetaljacket]

Hi mate

I will be delighted to meet with you when you visit Australia, I might take you over to a gym for a quick workout. I am sure you will enjoy that. Hopefully, by that time you will meet the candidate.

Let me know when you are coming over.

Thanks
Jacobus