Why do Russian women prefer Western men?

[Diplomacy]

Oh man that was close, she almost derailed the coffee talk.

[ECOCKS]

Oh man that was close, she almost derailed the coffee talk.

 

[Simoni]

Oh man that was close, she almost derailed the coffee talk.

Back to coffee, this coffee is served in a joint a block away, right besides Starbucks.  Guess which coffee we had today?

[Diplomacy]

I say Nescafe

[Diplomacy]

Did you ask the coffee if it was ok to post that picture?

[ECOCKS]

Wonder if Nescafe invests their money in lawyers or judges?

It surely isn't in product research and development.

[Simoni]

I say Nescafe

Then you got it right.  Anything to please the little woman :-)

[Simoni]

Did you ask the coffee if it was ok to post that picture?

Of course.  But hearing nothing was confirmation to "go with it."  So I did 

[Simoni]

Wonder if Nescafe invests their money in lawyers or judges?

It surely isn't in product research and development.

They own the market in Ukraine  Their market share is increasing as more and more UW come to the US! 

[ECOCKS]

Hmmmm, where did I hear that quote, "The absence of red flags is not...."

[Diplomacy]

Looks like we only got ourselves to blame

1938-1944 1938-1944

Nestlé felt the effects of World War II immediately. Profits dropped from $20 million in 1938 to $6 million in 1939. Factories were established in developing countries, particularly Latin America. Ironically, the war helped with the introduction of the Company's newest product, Nescafé, which was a staple drink of the US military. Nestlé's production and sales rose in the wartime economy.

[Simoni]

Hmmmm, where did I hear that quote, "The absence of red flags is not...."

From me, of course 

[ECOCKS]

Bet that really ticked off Stalin....

Anyway, back on topic now.

Can an FSUW REALLY love a WM who can not stomach the Nescafe's expresso variant?

[Diplomacy]

Yes, it will be OK ED.  You are married lol.  I chock it up to comfort drink.  The beauty is there is no law in any country that I know of that says you can not have a Mr. Coffee and an electric Kettle.

[Diplomacy]

Simoni:

You took the picture of NesCafe in the building.  Plus, you really seam as though you would know better than to get in an argument that early in the morning.  She would have probably given you the silent treatment until the next day when you could make the right decision.

Ed:

Maybe you should get a thermos, you can then make the coffee you want and then keep it in the thermos.  Crisis solved. 

Now how to get that gas flowing again

[JR]

What Lily said

[Mir]

I think the question should be rephrased as : Why do some Russian women prefer Wester men?
IMHO the majority does not.
And for those who do there are many reasons as people have stated.
For some (if not all) it is just that grass is always greener........

[mendeleyev]

I think the question should be rephrased as : Why do some Russian women prefer Wester men?
IMHO the majority does not.

Agree.

Not that a Western visitor to her city isn't a novelty and everyone enjoys getting to speak with and share a cup of tea and/or vodka toast with an American/Brit/Dutchman/etc, but most see themselves married to someone locally who shares her culture and language.

And in many cases her marriage to a WM carries a stigma which can only be overcome if she can portray him as "wealthy, successful, businessman, etc."

[Misha]

And in many cases her marriage to a WM carries a stigma which can only be overcome if she can portray him as "wealthy, successful, businessman, etc."

I don't really see the "stigma." True, she was warned of the dangers of sexual slavery and I was harangued by an uncle because as an "American" I was responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union (I am Canadian of course, but the uncle wasn't too worried about geographical niceties  ). My wife certainly doesn't need to portray me as a "wealthy, successful, businessman." In fact, what really shocked my mother-in-law is that I started baking our own bread. Every week when my wife calls, my mother-in-law asks if I am still baking 

[mendeleyev]

I can relate. My MIL used to shoo me out of the kitchen. Somewhere in a bout of very dirty dishes after a party, she was "converted" and now enjoys my presence in the kitchen. I've learned to shred carrots, beets, make borsch and lots of fun dishes under her watchful smile.

I knew the pinnacle had been reached the day she and I went to AWAH supermarket, purchased ground beef, and I was promtly put in charge of cooking hamburgers for a daughter's birthday party. My wife was suitably impressed with the progress I'd made in gaining acceptance to the kitchen. 

I was just as amazed that hamburgers were allowed to come from our kitchen!

[mies]

sorry for not being in line with the more recent posts. this is reply to the OP.



* ARE DISSATISFIED WITH RUSSIAN MEN!

Not that Russian men are worse than Western. Having no experience with western men, it is more likely that women did not have chance to be dissatisfied or satisfied with them. On the other hand - ask russian women who had experience with western men and you'll find out that russian women are quite often strongly dissatisfied with western men as well. They are often MORE dissatisfied with particular western men than they were dissatisfied with ANY russian men.
Those women who have not met westerners before - have positive bias in expectations. They hope that western men are better than russian. This positive bias is corrected quite fast though once women get exposure to western men.

    * OUTNUMBER "ELIGIBLE" RUSSIAN BACHELORS 4:1!

If russian women considered russian men in the same socio-economic and age groups as they find acceptable amond western men (much older, lower socio-economic class, with multiple kids from previous marriages) - I'm quite positive russian women would find many "eligible" bachelors in Russia as well.


    * BELIEVE IN FATE!
To be precise - there is no such myth in russian folklore - about the soul divided into 2 parts. It is merely a aesthetic/poetic metaphor deeply rooted in fatalistic culture (not a myth!)

Related sayings: "people alike as two halves of one apple", kids are similar to their parents - "apple doesn't roll far from the apple tree", or "fate bringing people together":
at 0:58

you are right - fate and fatalism have big role in russian culture - look for example at such game as russian roulette.
Or take the word "суженый/суженая" = predestined to become a spouse.
http://proslova.ru/word/%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9/

This is not the person which has "another half of soul" - this is the person who is prepared by fate/destiny - to become your spouse.

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  Most Russian women share a strong belief in the ancient myth that describes how each human soul was divided into two parts and scattered about the globe by an angered God {which God? Jesus? the Father-God? or one of multiple pagan gods?}. According to mythology - {what mythology? Greek? cause there are no such facts in russian mythology}, one half resides within her, while the other half dwells within a man in a far off land. As legend has it, if ever these soul mates should meet, they will form an unbreakable bond, resulting in the perfect match!

    * HAVE TRADITIONAL VALUES
That's quite unusual to look for a stay-at-home mom in the country where for 70 years females did all the masculine work - laying the asphalt, working at galvanic press in plants, in metallurgy, being engineers, surgeons, etc.
Russian females do traditionally cook, iron husband's shirts, wash husband's cloths, and keep the house clean, yet they almost never were a stay-at-home moms - not until the russian oligarchs were "born" after the 1991 and got money for maintenance of doll-wives. Doll-wives do not clean, wash, iron nor cook. They only spend husband's money and are beautiful. 

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  How would you describe a woman who practices traditional values? Would she be a  who cooks, cleans, and cares for the children? While it's wrong to assume that all Russian women are content taking on the role mentioned above, many have preserved these traditional values. {from the 19th century??? then western women had same chance to preserve those values too }

Having been raised in homes that encourage strong family ties, where qualities such as generosity and sincerity are impressed at a young age,
{to be able to benefit from those -western men need to have at least some of them too. You can't expect to only be a taker. And when speaking of generosity - Russian men are known to be much more generous and much more sincere than Western men. Created this way by centuries of Russian culture.}


Russian women will stop at nothing to help their family members during times of need. {yes, but they need to consider the man a part of the family. and to become and stay a part of family - man needs to possess certain qualities (see above) }

 This makes for a women who is unwavering in the level of support she is willing to provide for her family. {AND she expects to RECEIVE same level of support. Western man should not expect that he will procrastinate with filing a green card petition and will show his wife suspicion in all possible ways, will be stingy, cold and dry, not "open" with his wife, and yet in case him loses his job (or has some other problems) - his wife will support him. If you set the rules of mistrust and years of probation period - you should expect that you'll probably not be trusted/supported either. }

[groovlstk]

This makes for a women who is unwavering in the level of support she is willing to provide for her family. {AND she expects to RECEIVE same level of support. Western man should not expect that he will procrastinate with filing a green card petition and will show his wife suspicion in all possible ways, will be stringy, cold and dry, not "open" with his wife, and yet in case him loses his job (or has some other problems) - his wife will support him. If you set the rules of mistrust and years of probation period - you should expect that you'll probably not be trusted/supported either. }

Amen, meis Too many guys (and women, to be fair) think they can put off the "getting to know her" aspect of marriage to the 90-day K1 window and use it as some sort of silly trial.

[Misha]

If russian women considered russian men in the same socio-economic and age groups as they find acceptable amond western men (much older, lower socio-economic class, with multiple kids from previous marriages) - I'm quite positive russian women would find many "eligible" bachelors in Russia as well.

True enough. So, why don't they marry these men? The fact of the matter is that all things equal, men with the same socioeconomic background in Russia will be in most case worse than a man from Europe or North America from the same socioeconomic background. A plumber in the United States, will be earning a lot more money than a plumber in Russia. A doctor (GP) in a small town in Canada will earn much more than a GP in a neighborhood poliklinika in a village in Russia, a teacher in a small city in France, will earn more than a teacher in a northern Russian city, etc.... So, even when things are equal in terms of coming from the same socioeconomic background, they will still not be equal given the differences that exist between Russia and let's say the countries of the G7.

[Shadow]

True enough. So, why don't they marry these men? The fact of the matter is that all things equal, men with the same socioeconomic background in Russia will be in most case worse than a man from Europe or North America from the same socioeconomic background. A plumber in the United States, will be earning a lot more money than a plumber in Russia. A doctor (GP) in a small town in Canada will earn much more than a GP in a neighborhood poliklinika in a village in Russia, a teacher in a small city in France, will earn more than a teacher in a northern Russian city, etc.... So, even when things are equal in terms of coming from the same socioeconomic background, they will still not be equal given the differences that exist between Russia and let's say the countries of the G7.

They will earn more, but also spend more.  But that is something the women find out only after they get a grasp on the difference in economy.

[mies]

They will earn more, but also spend more.  But that is something the women find out only after they get a grasp on the difference in economy.

yes!

men-doctors (GPs), especially in small provincial polyclinics in Russia are considered to be a "good catch" both for young brides and their mothers. So you are probably misinformed about them Misha. ;-)