Best way to find a girl?

[toddamerica]

Which method or web site have you guys found to be the best to find a girl?

[Misha]

I used a free Russian dating site, men women, dated normally, and finally found one that I wanted to marry and who wanted to marry me.

[toddamerica]

What is the web site, boss?

[Misha]

What is the web site, boss?

It's only in Russian and was part of the mamba.ru network.

[HiTech]

You appear to be just beginning this adventure.

Things I believe most people would agree with.

1 Assume all you read at internet agencies about women from the FSU (Former soviet union) is only hype.

2 This method of finding a wife is not an easy one.

3 This method of finding a wife is not a cheap one.

4 No one method is the best, it would only be what is best for you.

5. Women are women every where, to succeed long term you and your lady will have to get to know each other in person and win each others hearts.

6. If you find the right woman ,all of the hassle of dating some one 1/2 way around the world is worth it.

Dale

[Ulysses]

     Well said, Hitech

[toddamerica]

Thanks guys. HiTech, which web site did you meet your girl at?

Todd

[HiTech]

I met some with

News paper adds

http://www.charmingbrides.com
http://www.khersongirls.com
http://www.elenasmodels.com
http://www.anastasia-international.com   I would strongly suggest you do NOT use this one.
http://freepersonals.ru/

As to the method. I can only suggest a few steps.

Step 1.
Make a list of about 5 things that a women must have for you. This can be looks or character traits or learning levels, just what ever is important to you. Once you discover that a woman does not have all 5, move on.

Step 2.
Decide approximately when you can travel to the FSU and how long you can stay.

Now things can vary a lot between people on this board.

Method 1.
The more romantics of the board would suggest you start writing and then go to visit one woman. This method has worked for people on this BBS but be aware, for this to be successful, you have to be very very good at reading between the lines of letters from woman. Good thing about his method is if it works you know a lot about the women before you have met. Down side is, you never know if the sparks will fly with a woman until you meet face to face, it also tends to have people fall in love with a picture and invest a lot of emotions before meeting.

Method 2.
Write many many woman and narrow it down to 5 or 10 in cities near each other. In this method you  should only be a writing a few letters to each woman, and just cover the basics of if the woman fit you must have list. Down fall for some people with this method, they never can make a choice, and can tend to treat woman as an item to be purchased/chosen.

Method 3.
Get on a plane and go to 1 city and meet ladies from 1 agency with out writing anyone.
You could also put news paper adds to meet ladies not with agencies.

Method 4.
Go on a group tour, I would not suggest this method.The only exception is going with Jack Brag where it is not so much group socials as meeting ladies 1 on 1 with group support.


I have used methods 1 - 3 before I found my wife, (man that still feels great to say "My Wife").

Dale

[ConnerVT]

Diamond ring and some fishing line?

[Gator]

Which method or web site have you guys found to be the best to find a girl?

Get off your arse. 

Seriously, I recall a news conference many years ago when a reporter asked the CEO of Shell Oil why they had better success than other oil companies in discovering oil.  The CEO's answer, "We drill more holes."   

The leading salesman make more calls.

Folks, it is not rocket science.

[BC]

It's really strange..

Whenever I actively look for a woman they are not there.

It's when I'm not looking that I end up with one.

My tip, from my experience is that the last thing you should do is look for a wife.

FWIW

[UTRO]

Moi? Elena's Be prepared to write letters like you never have )

[Mishenka]

Which method or web site have you guys found to be the best to find a girl?

If you are serious about spending your life with married to a  Russian woman, move to her country, learn her language, culture, and customs. Get to know her the same way you would any woman in USA, If you fall in love, and not just lust, and she loves you, marry her.

Exactly what Gator said, its not rocket science.

Mishenka Bear

[I/O]

Which method or web site have you guys found to be the best to find a girl?

Go to Sumburg in Russia or other FSU country, stand on the street corner and hold your American passport in one hand and $500 in the other, you're bound to find several female takers. Depart America and arrive in Russia on a wife search, you're now in a country several times larger than home with approximately half the number of women and you probably don't speak the language. The logic is absurd. I tend to agree with BC, explore international travel and dating, forget the wife thing and you might find the "One" jumps out and grabs you when you least expect it. Deliberate wife hunts are, IMO, the most hazardous road a man could wish to walk. BTW, I differ with Hitech (And a few RW I have seen argue the same line), IME Russian Women are very different sharing some commonalities with their western sisters.

I/O

[kryten41]

Hitech offers good advice.  I would add, be absolutely honest in your communications with the women.  Be ready to answer hard questions early in your communications.  You can expect to be asked why you are looking for a woman in the former Soviet Union.  If you are divorced, be ready to explain what happened to your marriage; if this question is asked, answer it and don't bring up your ex again unless you are asked. 

Learn to speak some Russian.

I have had good luck with freepersonals.ru.  I had a membership at Elenasmodels, and noticed that I saw some of the same women at freepersonals.ru which, as the name suggests, is free.

Another piece of advice which I read somewhere and which seemed reasonable to me, is to write an introduction letter which tells the basics about yourself such as height, weight, smoker/nonsmoker, drinker/nondrinker, population of your city, do you want kids, do you have kids, etc., and have it PROFESSIONALLY translated into Russian.  DO NOT USE A TRANSLATOR PROGRAM, GET A REAL PERSON TO DO THE JOB. You can use this letter as your first contact. Beware of using translator programs--I tried to write that I play bagpipes, and each time I ran it through a translator program it inserted a random word for "bagpipes"

Be honest, be yourself,  and be kind.

[chivo]

What is the web site, boss?

I also don't follow the line of "women are women". Yes basically, but if you (or anybody) think that the mentality is similar, well, I couldn't disagree more.

Understand, and APPRECIATE the culture. Use basic English when talking to them. Понял "boss". Know what you're getting into besides a pretty face. Good luck.

chivo

[Jack]

Todd, my opinion is the greatest single thing that can help you to find a good wife is education, unless you just get lucky, and some men have, education is often the key to success.

On rwd you will get a wide range of opinions. Basically whatever that man did to find his wife is the method he is going to recommend, after all, it worked for him. But not every method is going to work the same for each man. And during the education process you will read of the many varied options and make decisions on what methods you think you are more comfortable with.

You will hear from those who say meet only one woman at a time, how can you give any woman your full consideration if you are meeting many women. This man offering this advice met one woman, married that woman, so this is going to be the method he will recommend.

You will hear from those who say don't look, don't write, don't use an agency. Just go on a vacation, have a good time. This is what he did, it worked for him, so this is what he will recommend to others. Maybe you will get lucky also.

You will read and hear from those who met many ladies on a single trip, he found the love of his life this way, so this will be the method he will recommend.

So Todd, education is important. Read what others did, read of their mistakes, read of their experiences and what they recommend, then see what you think you are most comforatable with.

Todd I have had men tell me that they would like to meet more than one woman on a trip but they were not raised this way, they could only date one woman at a time. If your dating women in your same city, or in the next county, sure, date one at a time, but when you are traveling half way around the world do you really want to put all your egg's in one basket?  Maybe you do. Some of done so and married the one and only Russian woman they ever met. And as I stated above, they will recommend this method.

Some men making their first trip will met one woman. Many of these men will have said their trip was a complete waste of time and money, with the exception of the education they got, and they swore they would never go this route again.

Todd you may start out with one method and change. Most men do. And their's nothing wrong with that. Whatever method you choose remember this, your trip will be so much more meaningful, effecient and fun when you have removed the scam factor. Education will help you to remove or lessen the scam elements out there.

What I would recommend Todd is continue your education, read, read, read. I would advise you NOT to begin writing any lady, not one, until you know when you are going to make your trip. These ladies will want to know when you are coming and if you say you don't know, your not sure, many think "oh great, another writer".  These women do NOT want long time corrospondence. Well 99% don't. You will hear from that man who wrote his wife for 6 months or a year, so of course he will recommend this long time writing but I know from the women I hear from, 100%, not 99%, but 100% tell me they would prefer to meet a man sooner, not later.

You should know when you are going to make your trip. Again, in my opinion only, you should not begin writing any ladies until you are within two months of your trip and in your first communication with this lady, these ladies, you tell them if they have a sincere interest in meeting you, that you will come see her next month.  "Next month". That's always a true statement when you begin writing two months before the trip. The percentage of ladies agreeing to meet you will ALWAYS be higher when they know the man is serious, when they know the man is coming quickly, when they know the man is not going to be wasting their time by writing 50-100 e-mails or letters over the next 6 months and as such many more ladies will agree to meet you. Of course having a very nice photo of yourself and a well written profile won't hurt your chances either.

[ambach123]

There is a financial crisis in USA, and in FSU.

Much worse is yet to come in both places.

This is an expensive and time consuming pursuit, so before you do anything look at your financial situation. If you are like the rest of the Americans, mired in debt, pass on this venture.

Unemployment is predicted to hit 10% in USA.
Oil is predicted to go down to $20 a barrel or less, the main source of revenue for Russia.

In these circumstances I don't know what effect this would have on MOB business. I tend to think that pursuit of a woman in FSU is a thing of the past, except for the very well off.

I was in Kiev last week, while talking to an agency owner of www.interdating.com; he commented, that Americans had suddenly stopped coming in the past month or so. He sells both apartments and dates. Kiev used to be the first stop for Americans searching. According to him he had to reduce his staff by half, as there are no Americans coming.

The plane going to Kiev was half empty.

Russia was less popular to begin with, I am not sure any American would be going to Russia anytime  soon.

I would think that if you write a letter to girl in Russia, you might be the only one writing from USA.

Daters, professional and non professional in Kiev, Moscow and ST.Petersburg, may have a long waite, may be ten years, before any American would show up in their fair cities.

I tend to think that majority of these agencies would be kaput like General Motors, and I don't think anyone is bailing them out.

Most people on this board have already done their searching, they are not effected by any of this, one has to view their advise with the caveat that they searched in  different times.

Those who are already married or may get married, may have some good news; the divorce rate is down nationally, that is in USA; before any woman AW or RW wants to leave, she would look at her financial options, she has none. That may be not the best situation, but that is the reality.

If I were to marry a FSU woman, I have eliminated divorce as a viable option for her, in the current state, she simply could not survive, certainly not in USA.

My, how times change in a matter of months.

[kievstar]

Ambach, gald you had good time in Kiev. 

My plane to Kiev last week were full - but sex tourists. Also, interdating / Delphania is in trouble because they are now using married women in their catalog (numerous - not one woman).  Myself and others have sent messages to the owner to cleanup his act but he chooses not to.  He always had numerous hookers and gold diggers in his agency but married women is a different level.  He will lose a lot of business not from me but numerous other Americans and Swiss who send a lot of clients to him.  I used to send him 5 people on average a month for apartments now he gets me telling people to stay away from him.  He never even knew so many people helped his business. 

I have a moral issue as a Russian man I went to his wedding in Kiev does not Know his wife is in interdating and she does meet people.  If I tell this guy, one man will die and one woman will get beaten - his wife and owner of interdating.   I have chosen to keep my mouth shut as not my business.

[apple47]

      Some have tried this.

[ambach123]

Consider this scenario:

RW marries a middle class, middle aged business executive type. She comes to USA.
He loses his job, they get a divorce; she becomes homeless, and freezes to death on the streets.

You think this scenario is far fetched?  American exectutive types don't become homeless, think again. Perhaps this news item would help.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/unemployed.sign/index.html

He looks to me like so many on this board.

RW coming to USA are unemployable, regardless of their degrees in law or economics or anything else. They could not get a job as a domestic maid in the climate we are in.
They would be completely stupid or ignorant not to know this.
They are better off in Moscow or wherever at least with family and friends then become homeless in an American city.

The onus is on AM to realize that unless he is independantly wealthy, this is truly a dangerous endeavor not only for him but for the woman, and not pursue it; apparently from what I was told in Kiev, Americans no longer are.

Whether you meet with one woman, ten women, or fifty, it is irrelevant, if she does not know what is in store for her in USA, she is ignorant, and ignorance is no bliss in this pursuit.

[Misha]

RW coming to USA are unemployable, regardless of their degrees in law or economics or anything else. They could not get a job as a domestic maid in the climate we are in.

True, it takes some time to enter into the workforce, but there is no reason why they cannot succeed. It might take a couple of years, but they will eventually get jobs. My wife came to Canada not knowing a word of English, and two years later, she has a part-time job working in an after-school program. In another two years, she will be able to get a much better job or got to university to upgrade her skills. If I die of a heart attack as I type this comment, she will be able to collect my life insurance which will help her through the next decade.

The onus is on AM to realize that unless he is independantly wealthy, this is truly a dangerous endeavor not only for him but for the woman, and not pursue it; apparently from what I was told in Kiev, Americans no longer are.

Well, some women and men marry for love and all those other silly notions 

[/quote]
Whether you meet with one woman, ten women, or fifty, it is irrelevant, if she does not know what is in store for her in USA, she is ignorant, and ignorance is no bliss in this pursuit.
[/quote]

Has the United States become such a godawful place that only the independently rich survive?

[dispozo]

RW marries a middle class, middle aged business executive type. She comes to USA.
He loses his job, they get a divorce; she becomes homeless, and freezes to death on the streets.

Why do they get a divorce?
Does she love him?

This man been out of work since February. A man has to do what he can to take care of his family. Some times you can not be too picky about a job.

Maybe I'm different breed.... But when times get tough, my first choice is not to run. A person who really love me will not run when times get tough.
We will both do what it takes to make things work.

[toddamerica]

Thanks guys. I will look at all my options. So, did Paul Nawrocki find a job?

Todd

[Faux Pas]

Consider this scenario:

RW marries a middle class, middle aged business executive type. She comes to USA.
He loses his job, they get a divorce; she becomes homeless, and freezes to death on the streets.

You think this scenario is far fetched?  American exectutive types don't become homeless, think again. Perhaps this news item would help.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/unemployed.sign/index.html

He looks to me like so many on this board.

RW coming to USA are unemployable, regardless of their degrees in law or economics or anything else. They could not get a job as a domestic maid in the climate we are in.
They would be completely stupid or ignorant not to know this.
They are better off in Moscow or wherever at least with family and friends then become homeless in an American city.

The onus is on AM to realize that unless he is independantly wealthy, this is truly a dangerous endeavor not only for him but for the woman, and not pursue it; apparently from what I was told in Kiev, Americans no longer are.

Whether you meet with one woman, ten women, or fifty, it is irrelevant, if she does not know what is in store for her in USA, she is ignorant, and ignorance is no bliss in this pursuit.

 

ambach

You refer to this/these scenarios quite often and while I don't necessarily disagree with you that it is completely possible, there are some other scenarios that fit even you, that you don't seem to consider.  One being, no matter how wealthy or well-off you may be financially, you (as everybody) are still just one bad decision away from poverty.

You mention financial resources and they need to be. I believe they need to be stressed as well but it's almost taken on a theme of paranoia with you. One living their life for and basing all their decisions on what may or may not happen financially tomorrow or a year from now at times can be wise and at other times unhealthy. I think you'll agree that this is not a pursuit to count pennies nor can the "right" woman be bought. So, why your infatuation?