My trip to ukraine, and advice on what not to do. What others fail to mention

[topofthekey]

You old guys, have nothing to do but insult people.

On the off chance you aren't a troll... you seem to get a lot more upset with the people telling you how off base you are.... compared to everyone you met in ukraine that clearly scammed the crap out of you.

Just a note.... after all the mistakes you made I probably wouldn't offer any advice. In fact we already have our own set of rules/ advice which would do you a lot of good. http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=2

[GoodOlBoy]

My preference, would be, to apply for the visa, and see what they will be like in usa.

Oh...this just keeps getting better and better. 

[Misha]

Question: whats the deal with the g325a?
You think that you need to spend more time with the lady. I can agree. but, the time in ukraine is worthless. You want to see what they will be like in the usa. thats where they will live.
I would think, most men do not want to make more than one trip to ukraine.
whats wrong with getting the finacee visa. you do have 90 days, to see what they will be like. I think that is better time spent.
if you dont get the 325a , done, you will have trouble, without , making another visit.
My preference, would be, to apply for the visa, and see what they will be like in usa.

I do hope you are a troll as this is so asinine at some many levels. AS for your preference for applying for a visa and then seeing what she will be like in the USA, that clearly overlooks what a woman will go through if she agrees to it. According to your plan, she will go the USA for 90 days to meet a man she has maybe met once in the hopes that he will like her and not send her back. Of course, the first two weeks she will be going through jet lag, then it will be euphoria, followed by culture shock, mixed in with the stress of getting to know a complete stranger, then not knowing whether he will or he won't.... Even if she is sincere, you are not likely to see the woman she is or will be once she is settled in. However, any normal woman will tell you no, and more than likely tell you where to go. She is not likely going to quit her job and risk God know what for a stranger. You will likely get the interest of those women who have nothing to lose and are willing to take the risk simply for the chance at a Green Card. However, in the long run, this woman is likely to cost you a lot more than a fur coat. 

[SANDRO43]

Jfarinha, have you considered embracing Islam ? That'd give you 4 times as much space for manoeauvre .

P.S.: Jabar Al Daqîq could be your new nickname

[dispozo]

 

Revenge and marriage at the same time!!!!

[Shadow]

You old guys, have nothing to do but insult people.

We do not insult you, just state facts.

I was at at a disadvantage. I didnt know the game was deception.
    why in the heck, would I ever let someone get by with that kind of behavior.
you have to teach people a lesson.

The game is finding a partner you want to spend your life with, not getting the best bang for your buck.
What you met were basicly prostitutes who will meet any guy who is willing to pay for their needs until the next one arrives.

Task: deception as a millionaire player.

Goal: sex, and having the woman buy things for the man. Leave woman with a $10 tip.
ultimate goal. have woman buy plan tickets, and gifts.

I have been putting together a plan, to out do the scammers.
I went to by big brother. who is the biggest scammer. I know, always manages to leave his wallet at home.
when we meet for dinner. I tell him, thats pretty convenient.
     His advice. setup the whole situation, deception from the start.
Tell the woman in email. My family owns and oil field.
arrive with a suitcase of money. Mostly ones, wrapped with 100 bills.
that way, they will be mesmerized by the money, and fail to see. the flaws.
   Yes, I admit it, I was pretty stupid the first time around. They really know how to put on the charm.
Insulting me, just shows how ignorant you are.
we are americans. we should band together.
I have more money than any of these sluts put together.
I always repay my debts. and now, I have debts to pay.
      I have to contact some scammers, and start putting together plans.
I want to take on the tops scammers. thats the real challenge. I already have a jag, and an esalade.
my friend next door has a viper. I will take pictures with all the cars, and start setting the stage. I didnt know
we were playing by prison rules.

As you seem to be unable to determine a sincere woman from a scammer, chances are that you will make a sincere woman lose all belief in foreign man.
If you contact 'known scammers' like from blacklists, chances are you are playing out of your league and will meet not a woman but some guys who will take your suitcase and leave you with a clear message, it might knock some sense in to you.

Question: whats the deal with the g325a?
 You think that you need to spend more time with the lady. I can agree. but, the time in ukraine is worthless. You want to see what they will be like in the usa. thats where they will live.
I would think, most men do not want to make more than one trip to ukraine.
      whats wrong with getting the finacee visa. you do have 90 days, to see what they will be like. I think that is better time spent.
if you dont get the 325a , done, you will have trouble, without , making another visit.
My preference, would be, to apply for the visa, and see what they will be like in usa.

I hope you are up to date with IMBRA legislation, and find that things are not as easy.

How about getting a dog ? They give you love (you can always buy sex with your money) and are easy to pick from a pound. If you get tired of them you can also send them back more easy, food is a lot cheaper and they already have a fur coat.

[HiTech]

jfarinha: Thanks for the trip report. Your insight into the thinking of RW is fantastic. Using your method of finding the hottest babe, buying them a fur coat sounds like the best and quickest way to marry an RW.

I just have one question about the G325, would it not be better to take a letter of unencumbered with you? That way you could travel direct from the train station to Zags, and pick up the coat on the way. Then if you do not like this girl with the K-3 you could just divorce her.


HiTech

[Sculpto]

OMG!

OK.. assuming our hero is in fact serious and not a troll... I really want to unleash on this guy.  However.. given the "issues" recently I am asking permission from our senior members before I do so... I promise it will be entertaining!

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[dispozo]

Your going to need more money......

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/16-12-2008/106837-Andrei_Yushchenko-0

[catzenmouse]

OMG!

OK.. assuming our hero is in fact serious and not a troll... I really want to unleash on this guy.  However.. given the "issues" recently I am asking permission from our senior members before I do so... I promise it will be entertaining!

Why waste a good "unload" on a 12 year old with internet connection and a good imagination? Save it for someone who has a clue or two and just needs to have them put in the proper order.

[felix8787]

OMG!

OK.. assuming our hero is in fact serious and not a troll... I really want to unleash on this guy.  However.. given the "issues" recently I am asking permission from our senior members before I do so... I promise it will be entertaining!

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Sculpto,
I have already given this um...troll my 2 cents.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8635.30


He started on this other persons thread and hijacked it, but then again law hasn't posted in awhile. Believe me I was trying to be as civil as possible.

[BillyB]

      whats wrong with getting the fiancee visa. you do have 90 days, to see what they will be like. I think that is better time spent.
if you dont get the 325a , done, you will have trouble, without , making another visit.
My preference, would be, to apply for the visa, and see what they will be like in usa.

A fiancee visa isn't designed for men to propose to strangers and begin a trial period. You first get to know a woman thoroughly, then propose and start a k-1 or k-3. You being ready to propose to any pretty face made you an easy target for those looking to scam men looking for love but blinded by their own lust.

Unlike the other posters who think you're a troll or don't believe your story, I believe everything you say. I've been to the FSU around 10 times and most FSU men I've talked to from big cities all say they wish Western men would stop coming here and spoiling their women. I've seen guys on forums admit to putting $15,000 into their FSU's woman bank account and buying an apartment for them. Too many guys, too much money, and not enough brains trying to catch those hotties.

These women have lived all their lives without you and can continue living without your help yet too many guys want to come to the rescue of a woman. Of course she's beautiful otherwise she wouldn't get rescued. Sincere women do not ask for your money or to be taken shopping. They would be insulted if a man tried to buy their love.

jfarinha, your recent actions would turn off the very women you're hoping to marry. Live, learn and hopefully you're a better man now.

[Shadow]

After reading the other posts I can only say that I am happy there are laws against human trafficking.
jfarinha, if you wonder what stops a woman from taking off with the first mule she meets, its is called dignity.
Look it up in a dictionary. And seriously renting is cheaper as buying. Try it.

[Sculpto]

What bothers me most about the posting is that the guy thinks he can "play the player".  Actually I think he should go for it if he thinks he is so smart... one guy against an experienced army of scammers.. HAHAHAHA.. that is really funny.  Scam the scammer.. that sounds like a screen play.. a tragedy where the (not so) innocent hero gets killed slowly as the scammers try to figure out how to get rid of the fools body and avoid an international scandal.

It reminds me of a time when a friend from NYC came to visit me in SF.  Some New Yorkers can be pretty overconfident that they have seen everything and are invincible to danger.  This friend of mine decided to walk through some rough areas.. I had warned him against it and showed him how to get back to my flat the safe way.. he ignored me and got mugged, robbed of $300+ in cash and soiled his undies...

I can also remember how much care my new friends in Donetsk showed me in regards to my own personal safety at night.  They NEVER let me go home alone.  They were constantly worried that I was an easy target.. my reply was.. come spend a couple days in the Mission where I live.. Donetsk is easy...  however, I said that to get them to stop worrying.. I did in fact greatly appreciate the care and there were certainly times when I felt lost and knew if I had been on my own there were tons of places bad people could have jumped out of the bushes and taken me down.

[viking]

I'm just picking up on this tale of  woe or is it whoa!  A fur coat for a woman you hardly know? You must have some deep pockets to blow all the cash you went through on this trip. Or not been laid in years. Or both. Please have a vasectomy. Your gene pool needs to be stopped.

 Life can be stranger than fiction.

[Diplomacy]

Always a possibility, but this stuff is so good that one would think that it can not be made up.   But there are some clever people who get their rocks off doing such.

Before your time at RWD, a clever California attorney (ScotJay?) posted for years at RWG and would sometimes assume a false identity for a joke  (e. g., pretending to be a hot RW who has given up on RM).  He would admit it a week or so later.  However, he always left some clues such as spelling a trisyllable word correctly or using complete sentences.   So far not the case with our jfarinha. 

Also, ScotJay would use a witty name that somehow connected to RW.  Farinha:  "The Amazonian Indians early devised means of making the poisonous bitter cassava (manioc) edible; the end product, called farinha, became a food staple widely used today in much of tropical America."   I do not see the connection between an esoteric Portugese flour and RW.

МаннаЯ  is the Russian version of Farina, may be a connection just no H in there Gator.  As they say, the way to a man is his stomach right?  It was pretty good too!  Just throwing it out there, since you could not find a connection. 

[SANDRO43]

МаннаЯ  is the Russian version of Farina, may be a connection just no H in there Gator. 

Flour (Eng.) = Farina (It.), Harina (Sp.), Farinha (Port.), Farine (Fr.), Daqiq (Ar.)

МаннаЯ, on the other han, sound curiously identical to Mannàia, It. for the excutioner's beheading axe, also meat cleaver .

[mendeleyev]

With around 1.6 million people diagnosed with Aids this past year in Russia/Ukraine, maybe this nutcase will get more than a pretty fiance if he continues to sleep and throw those 325-A forms around like candy.

Perhaps the 90 trail period will end up being more meaningful for him than for most.

To the orginial poster: just in case you're interested, the Russia/Ukraine region holds the World Health Organization's distinction for being the most educated area in the world to suffer from an AIDS epidemic.

[Gator]

Mendeleyev,

Regarding AIDS, you may wish to read this thread and the viewpoint of one UM starting at the bottom of page 3:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8369.msg156581

[Diplomacy]

Here are some facts for those that want to educate themselves.  If it saves one person, well worth the post.

[Gator]

This guy is either a troll or an utter idiot... but as no one could be that stupid (and still breathing) I'm putting it down to "troll"!

Trolls would have continued to stir the pot.  So I suppose our man Farinha did indeed do all that he claimed. 

Nevertheless, he got some good advice on how to proceed, and if he listens perhaps he will not repeat his past mistakes and avoid making new ones.

[Sculpto]

With around 1.6 million people diagnosed with Aids this past year in Russia/Ukraine, maybe this nutcase will get more than a pretty fiance if he continues to sleep and throw those 325-A forms around like candy.

Perhaps the 90 trail period will end up being more meaningful for him than for most.

To the orginial poster: just in case you're interested, the Russia/Ukraine region holds the World Health Organization's distinction for being the most educated area in the world to suffer from an AIDS epidemic.

Is that because they have gotten better at counting or are there really that many new infections?

[Diplomacy]

That many new infections I am afraid. 

[Sculpto]

That many new infections I am afraid. 

Ok, so if it is in fact true.. it would seem odd that one doesn't see sick people on the street.  When I first came to SF it was VERY easy to spot people with AIDS walking around. 

[ScottinCrimea]

Is that because they have gotten better at counting or are there really that many new infections?

I'm certainly not discounting the gravity of the problem with AIDS in Ukraine, or anywhere else for that matter, but you do need to be a bit careful when reading these types of statistics.  While there is no question that the AIDS rate is rising in Ukraine, there has been some tapering off recently, so maybe (we can hope) the peak has already been reached.  As far as the counting, much money has been given to organizations to study/fight AIDS in Ukraine.  There are literally dozens of such programs.  It is only natural that there would be increased reporting of cases, both in the process of their studies and, unfortunately with some groups, as a means of seeking increased funding.  In the article it talks about the shift in percentages from IV drug users to others.  Most studies still show the vast majority of cases are from sharing needles with the second group being homosexuals.  While the rate in the heterosexual non-drug using population has risen slightly, it's still a relatively small group.  Of course one draws much more sympathy for their cause if they can show they are spending money to help innocent women or children with AIDS rather than IV drug users, so naturally many will emphasize these groups in their reports.  Remember also that IV drug users were those who were initially most likely to be reported initially as they were more likely to be tested.  Now that more testing is being done in other groups, one is finding an increased number, which doesn't necessarily reflect an increase in the rate of transmission amont these groups.

I wonder why many here are so worried about the AIDS rate there.  It seems to be an issue more of personal concern than any altruistic concern for Ukrainians.  If you are so worried about the rate of infection there, maybe do something about it by contributing to those legitimate groups who are battling it or by actually getting involved, as I did when I lived there.  If your concern is strictly a personal one, then it's easy - while you are there don't share needles and use a condom should you choose to have sex with a man or woman you don't know well.  And don't worry - as bad as the toilets can be there, you can't get AIDS from a toilet seat.