Specific Ukrainian Woman

[Sculpto]

hahahahahah!  But, Jr, you just might need to change your criteria... I'm not so sure this one really has a pulse!!

do blood sucking vampires have a pulse?

[Mishenka]

http://www.police-internet.com/russian_mafia.html

I thought this was an interesting read.

Mishenka

[JR]

hahahahahah!  But, Jr, you just might need to change your criteria... I'm not so sure this one really has a pulse!!

Unless she has come to an unfortunate end she exists as a person somewhere.....

[Sculpto]

JR I really hope you are joking.. you seem a bit obsessed with this girl..  I mean, if you really want to waste your time and money go to HRB and look up Elnara.. she is a lot better looking 

131049 

She is a major pot head and spends hours every day on HRB making money.. I mean searching for her love.    Oh, she is a virgin too.

I think she even showed up here at some point in the past claiming innocence to the various accusations that have been made against her.  Pity she doesn't come around more often. 

[Sculpto]

this info is the parent company of HRB... interesting enough to see their sales volume..

So that would be memberships, letters and chats and gifts because they no longer organize tours.  Think about it. 

Wish I could bonk every dude wasting his money on that site over the head with a clue bat. 

In the small chance the girls are not in on the scam.. I really feel bad for them because they are really being used if that is the case.  But, I don't think it is.

Company Name: Romantic Tours, Inc
Address: 1415 Pinehurst Rd Ste K, Dunedin, FL 34698-3812 (Map)
Alt Business Name: 
Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: $2,300,000 
Est. # of Employees: 14 
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 14 
Year Started: 2004 
State of Incorp: FL 
SIC #Code: 4725 
Contact's Name: Gregory Pearson 
Contact's Title: President & Chief Executive Officer
NAICS: Tour Operators

[Sculpto]

GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!

http://nikolaevscams.wordpress.com/

http://russianlovematchscams.wordpress.com/

scroll down for the comments on this one...
http://searchwarp.com/swa52607.htm

man this thread has me almost as angry as I was when I first came back from kherson..

[Daveman]

...
man this thread has me almost as angry as I was when I first came back from kherson..

Prior to your travel to Kherson, do you think you would have listened to anyone who reported that this beautiful fantasy in which you were head over heels in lust was just that... a fantasy? Or, do you think you would have rationalized away all logic?  Obviously, you did go. Did you go completely blind?

What I am getting at here is that I'm slowing coming to the opinion that some guys just need to be scammed one good time before they will actually get it.  Most never travel.  You did. And BillR is headed that way.  The money he has already, and probably will waste in the future could have been used to find and court a sincere lady.  But instead, it will most likely be an expensive semester in FSUW-U.  Maybe that's the only way he'll be able to let go -- by being hammered with reality rather than by us.

[Sculpto]

Prior to your travel to Kherson, do you think you would have listened to anyone who reported that this beautiful fantasy in which you were head over heels in lust was just that... a fantasy? Or, do you think you would have rationalized away all logic?  Obviously, you did go. Did you go completely blind?

What I am getting at here is that I'm slowing coming to the opinion that some guys just need to be scammed one good time before they will actually get it.  Most never travel.  You did. And BillR is headed that way.  The money he has already, and probably will waste in the future could have been used to find and court a sincere lady.  But instead, it will most likely be an expensive semester in FSUW-U.  Maybe that's the only way he'll be able to let go -- by being hammered with reality rather than by us.

Dave, no one could have convinced me.  I knew the girl was real because I had some signs beforehand and complained to the site.  The site manager, Nadia, got the girl on the phone and did a translated call for me at no charge which lasted 45 minutes.  They had her on the cam so I could see she was actually speaking.  The entire staff at HRB made a big effort to convince me she was real and sincere.  During the flight over I had so much anxiety I thought I would be sick.  When she was not waiting for me in the Odessa airport like she had promised I knew I was going to be taken for a ride.  My friend from Odessa, the one who quit HRB and spilled the beans about the scams, picked me up and tried to talk me out of going to Kherson.  At that point I just wanted to get it over with.  I was so obsessed with the girl that I knew the ONLY way I could get her out of my system was the rejection I knew was coming.  So, I just expedited the inevitable.  But, the part of the scam I fell for was far more subtle and complex.  Valentin Belan is a really smooth operator.  He was emathetic about the story, comforting and understanding and did everything he could to form a "male bonding" and then give me advice about this girl.  Once she was out of the picture the pressure to meet other girls started.  "You are already here and there are so many good girls in my agency, you should meet others"  $50 a meeting, always in the most expensive places in Kherson, plus $10 an hour for terps.. I paid every taxi, every meal, everything for everyone.  They all had a nice party on my wallet.  I ate lousy sushi, a very bony fish and a chai for $30.  When I complained to Valentin about the $30 chai he told me, "you didn't say which kind you wanted so they brought you the most expensive".  Yeah BS mother****** right! 

The worst thing about the whole experience is there was one girl.. a certain Lana, that I was sure was not scamming.  She was 29, not a super model and seemed very into me.  She knew the whole story about what had happened prior to my arrival in Kherson and knew she was the backup girl.  I met with her twice.  After I got back Valentin interfered and would not give me her contact info even though I had met with her twice.  I asked her to use the internet cafe to contact me, snuck my email addy and phone number to her which she got, but, she never contacted.  She is now off the site as are all the other girls I met in Kherson, all of whom I told the WHOLE story and did all I could to impose a sense of guilt on them.  I suppose it worked since none of them are there anymore.

If I could see Valentin today I would not hesitate to break his nose and worse and I think you all know I am far from a violent man.  My friend from Odessa is pretty sure Valentin was also recruiting girls for porn site work.

[Faux Pas]

Prior to your travel to Kherson, do you think you would have listened to anyone who reported that this beautiful fantasy in which you were head over heels in lust was just that... a fantasy? Or, do you think you would have rationalized away all logic?  Obviously, you did go. Did you go completely blind?

What I am getting at here is that I'm slowing coming to the opinion that some guys just need to be scammed one good time before they will actually get it.  Most never travel.  You did. And BillR is headed that way.  The money he has already, and probably will waste in the future could have been used to find and court a sincere lady.  But instead, it will most likely be an expensive semester in FSUW-U.  Maybe that's the only way he'll be able to let go -- by being hammered with reality rather than by us.

Agreed. But a fallacy with that logic is, they likely can get burned too bad. It's pretty obvious the piranhas will get to the bone given the chance and it will jade even the best of men. I'm guessing many of these guys are good guys that never have contact with a sincere lady and after such a lesson at FSUW-U don't care to come back for a 2nd semester. I say arm them with all the info possible, whether they want to adhere or not is up to them.

[Daveman]

Agreed. But a fallacy with that logic is, they likely can get burned too bad. It's pretty obvious the piranhas will get to the bone given the chance and it will jade even the best of men. I'm guessing many of these guys are good guys that never have contact with a sincere lady and after such a lesson at FSUW-U don't care to come back for a 2nd semester. I say arm them with all the info possible, whether they want to adhere or not is up to them.

Absolutely.  And with Sculpto's excellent additions here of an actual first hand account of the system, before-during-after, a break down of various aspects, even a paste of their earnings -- we have about 18-19 pages of exactly that informational arming, discussion, reasoning, logic, debate, etc. 

What else can be done other than let the chips fall where they will?

[Gator]

Sculpto,

Thanks for sharing your experiences.  The nickles and dimes you spent can add up to a significant amount, perhaps more than the "I have visa all I need are air tix" scam. 

Even though you knew you were getting fleeced, you did not give up hope.  Do you see the contradiction in your words?

The worst thing about the whole experience is there was one girl.. a certain Lana, that I was sure was not scamming.  She ... seemed very into me.  She knew the whole story about what had happened prior to my arrival in Kherson and knew she was the backup girl..... I asked her to use the internet cafe to contact me, snuck my email addy and phone number to her which she got, but, she never contacted. 

[Gator]

I have decided that the only way I am going to find out is to go visit her.  So I have asked if she would like that.  If so, I will plan to go see her.  Now we shall see.

BillR,

Actually I think it is good that you make the trip for the closure as Daveman outlined.  Please arrange other meetings using reputable agencies.  If you focus only on this HRB fantasy, I see this as your photo at the conclusion of your trip:

[Sculpto]

Sculpto,

Thanks for sharing your experiences.  The nickles and dimes you spent can add up to a significant amount, perhaps more than the "I have visa all I need are air tix" scam. 

Even though you knew you were getting fleeced, you did not give up hope.  Do you see the contradiction in your words?

I am pretty sure they messed wiht Lana.  Meaning, the handlers interfered and could have even threatened her.  But mot likely I will never know.  I am in no hurry to go back to Kherson ever again.  Crummy town.

[JR]

BillR,

Actually I think it is good that you make the trip for the closure as Daveman outlined.  Please arrange other meetings using reputable agencies.  If you focus only on this HRB fantasy, I see this as your photo at the conclusion of your trip:

He has to go....

Or, we nab him, tie him up, show him old "I Love Lucy" reruns until his brain turns to mush and then we reprogram him   Yeah, now that's the ticket ! ! ! !

[JR]

I am pretty sure they messed wiht Lana.  Meaning, the handlers interfered and could have even threatened her.  But mot likely I will never know.  I am in no hurry to go back to Kherson ever again.  Crummy town.

I think you are right.

[Faux Pas]

Absolutely.  And with Sculpto's excellent additions here of an actual first hand account of the system, before-during-after, a break down of various aspects, even a paste of their earnings -- we have about 18-19 pages of exactly that informational arming, discussion, reasoning, logic, debate, etc. 

What else can be done other than let the chips fall where they will?

Yes'sir! You are correct. He will go if he's a mind to no matter what we post. I agree whole-heartedly and from what he has read in these 18-19 pages is isn't unarmed.

[Sculpto]

I hope BillR can wake up from his fantasy before he wastes his time and money.  If not for him, for every other sucker that comes along.  Every time a guy falls for this trap it enables the scammers to keep on scamming.

I would also like to say to BillR that I also recieved intro letters frm Zhanna.. at least twice, maybe three times.  I never corresponded with her.   I took one look at her photos and I knew she was bad news.  Just got a vibe from her of evil doings...

At the very least BillR, if you do make this trip, please get a solid backup plan in place.  There are so many ways to make contact with people in Odessa, facebook group, yahoo group, expat forum etc.. there are lots of western guys living there.  Don't be alone if you go.  And, no matter what do not give one extra penny to Orchid.  If things go bad with Zhanna, which I am sure they will, don't be a bait and switch sucker like I was.

[JR]

Wise words Sculpto.

BillR don't let it go past one bad date. If shes bad on the first one she'll be bad on all of em.

[ScottinCrimea]

The problem I see is that he will return with all kinds of reasons why it was his fault that things didn't go well when he went to meet her and if he can just get it right she will fall into his arms.  I'm not so sure he will find closure with a visit there if they play him there as well as they have done so far.

It's obvious to us that he is desperate to hold onto this fantasy.  It will be equally obvious to them.

[Mishenka]

Bill, do not waste yout time and money. This woman does not exist and will never meet you. Move on and learn the lesson from experience. You are dealing with mafia owned web sites that trap millions of users and sell them a dream that will never come true. Drop it like a burnig rock!

Mishenka

[facetrock]

Its amazing to read this thread. Keyboard romeos trying to justify why they are keyboard romeos. Zhanna makes money talking to guys on the net. Easy to see. Case closed. I think she makes a good living doing this and I have no problem with her line of work. She provides a good service to all the men that are afraid to make the trip or cant afford it. She is a fantasy for them.
   I stopped feeling sorry for men who spend their money this way a long time ago because I really think they enjoy it. BillR will never make the trip, he is as close to his fantasy as he wants to get. He came here to have someone confirm to him his fantasy really exists.
  Yes BillR she does exist, she is a real live woman and might not be that bad of a woman in real life. No one can say I am wrong because no one here has met her. But you BillR will never know because you will not make the trip just like 99 percent of the other men who chat with her.
  Someone made the comment that she makes a living by not working. Huh? To sit at a computer for hours on end chatting with men you have no interest in just to make them feel wanted would be hard work for most people.
   Many here thinks what she does is horrible, dishonest and so on. But by whos standards? Western standards yes but after taking many trips to the FSU I believe the average woman would be jealous of the money she makes. Those women wont feel sorry for men who are so easily parted with their money. She makes money with the beauty she was blessed with and that is not uncommon in Ukraine or anywhere else for that matter.

[Sculpto]

Its amazing to read this thread. Keyboard romeos trying to justify why they are keyboard romeos. Zhanna makes money talking to guys on the net. Easy to see. Case closed. I think she makes a good living doing this and I have no problem with her line of work. She provides a good service to all the men that are afraid to make the trip or cant afford it. She is a fantasy for them.
   I stopped feeling sorry for men who spend their money this way a long time ago because I really think they enjoy it. BillR will never make the trip, he is as close to his fantasy as he wants to get. He came here to have someone confirm to him his fantasy really exists.
  Yes BillR she does exist, she is a real live woman and might not be that bad of a woman in real life. No one can say I am wrong because no one here has met her. But you BillR will never know because you will not make the trip just like 99 percent of the other men who chat with her.
  Someone made the comment that she makes a living by not working. Huh? To sit at a computer for hours on end chatting with men you have no interest in just to make them feel wanted would be hard work for most people.
   Many here thinks what she does is horrible, dishonest and so on. But by whos standards? Western standards yes but after taking many trips to the FSU I believe the average woman would be jealous of the money she makes. Those women wont feel sorry for men who are so easily parted with their money. She makes money with the beauty she was blessed with and that is not uncommon in Ukraine or anywhere else for that matter.

what makes you think she actually writes the responses?  Most likely she doesn't and couldn't because the volume of letters is far to high.  It is much more cost effective for the agency to have some student write the letters for her.  She may make some obligatory "shows" on cam tohelp keep the fantasy going. 

facet.. based on your approval of her way of making money, would you also approve of the scammers in wall street and washington?  women like this do not provide a service, on the contrary she is hurting people who need to get off their arses and fix their own lives.  just as much as these keyboard romeos enable the scammers, the scammers enable those who need to fix themselves but don't because it is much easier to live a fantasy.  Its really sad and unfortunately I expect more of this kind of sadness as the world advances and we become more disconnected from our natural origins.

[facetrock]

   I think you are right Sculpto, Its not Zhanna writing all the letters or chatting all the time.
  The money these women make compared to Washington or Wall Street scammers is close to nothing. These men who write can afford a computer and survive in western society. I seriouly doubt if Zhanna has changed any of these mens lifestyle because they spent three or four hundred bucks writing and chatting with her. Besides who are we to tell free men how to spend their money or what fantasys they can indulge in. We can warn them and BillR has been warned by some very experienced men. I dont think it will help and I would bet he is still chatting away with Zhanna or whoever is role playing Zhanna in the HRB office.
  Deep in Bills mind he knows its all crap but he loves the fantasy.

[Sculpto]

BillR, don't be shy.. tell us whats going on, please. 

[JR]

JR I really hope you are joking.. you seem a bit obsessed with this girl..  I mean, if you really want to waste your time and money go to HRB and look up Elnara.. she is a lot better looking 

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She is a major pot head and spends hours every day on HRB making money.. I mean searching for her love.    Oh, she is a virgin too.

I think she even showed up here at some point in the past claiming innocence to the various accusations that have been made against her.  Pity she doesn't come around more often. 

How can I be upset with her? I LOVE Zhanna. And she loves me too, she just doesn't know that yet....one day she will. I just know it!

What's that you say? You said Obsessed, not upset? Oh, well, uh, er......OK, I'll wear that jacket

I just want Yanna, er Aloe, oh I mean Zhanna...damn, what was your name again?