Specific Ukrainian Woman

[kievstar]

BillR, I never said she was a Czech model.  I said I think she is a Czech girl.  Sorry this girl does not have the body measurements to be a model or attractive enough.  In future send me a private message if you want proof as I read about 5% of what is posted on this board.

Go see her in person.  But her photo is on television in Belgium late at night at least it was several months ago when I posted. I still can not believe no one has visited her.  Sorry the hotel I stay at does not have TIVO.  I am in Belgium Monday night.  I will try to take a picture of the television next week with my camera and post it here. 

Would someone go visit this girl.  I will not give you the links to the Czech sites as you must visit her in person first.   But check the ones where you pay the girls.

[Sculpto]

ok I am reading between the lines of Kiev's post..

Zhanna has been some kind of model for some kind of tv ad or show.  Late night telephone chats maybe? 

Kiev has offered to provide links to a Czech site where she is paid for something.  Do you mean in person services or webcam services?

I think you should just post the link Kiev.  Lets bust the myth here in public for everyone to see.

BTW.. just because she is on Belgian TV or a Czech site of some sort doesn't mean she isn't really from Odessa or living there currently.  Rumor has it that lots of UA girls go to "work as nanny" in Germany and Czech republic.

So, out with it.  pazhalsta

[AramisLux]

i have been away for a while and now i see that this thread is still being kicked around. wow, even BillR has come back to post here. when i saw that this thread was at the top of the list, i almost fell off my sofa.

i want to give a round of thanks to Stirlitz for letting us all know what he (doesn't) know about Zhanna. i really appreciate your honesty, Stirlitz, but it is sad in a way. i think lots of posters here would have liked to hear all about how naughty Zhanna has been. maybe someday someone will be able to 'extract' her and tell us all the real story about what she does to unwitting guys.

there is one question that i have for Sculpto: what do you really know about ElnaraK being a 'pot head'? anything? or are you just exaggerating like so many other guys who use this forum?

i chatted with ElnaraK very briefly a couple of times. funny thing happened the last time. she told me she likes to go to the Kactus klub. then i asked her if the guys treat her well, and she says that almost all of the guys talk to her for only a few seconds and then walk away. this made me think that she must have some serious personality issues like maybe she laughs like a braying horse. it was a little sad to hear it, but then maybe she had some strategy in mind in saying this. which reminds me of something really relevant to this thread: has anyone else here noticed that fsuw, who are supposed to be so clever and dangerous, seem to have almost no guile? or, is this just a part of their game? this is the kind of question that i find really fascinating. they just don't seem to be nearly as 'strategic' in what they say compared to your average aw.

oh, i have one other question for Sculpto: you wrote something to the effect that no one at hrb will "ever marry you". and yet, didn't neo marry someone from hrb? how do you explain that? maybe if neo could explain it. that would be even better.

[Aloe]

we have strategies you couldn't even begin to understand!   

[AramisLux]

really? i bet that is not true....

try giving some examples then

[Bored1]

Not saying strategy is part of startegy! 

[Ade]

Not saying strategy is part of startegy! 

 

[facetrock]

   To Aloe and Bored1.  I always wanted to know what other RWs thought of women like Zhanna. She gets paid to talk to lonely Western men. She chats with them to make them feel wanted knowing full well almost all will never come and see her. Now I said before I dont have a problem with it. This is what these men want and and this is the product she delivers, total fantasy.
  But in the Ukrainian society would people look down on her because this is how she makes a living?  I personally dont think so, in fact I think most Ukrainians would think it would be funny as hell. Some would even admire her.
  So Aloe and Bored1, I would love your opinion on this.
 

[Bored1]

It seem she provide services that mans want without any danger to her.  Like webcam womans does.  I do not know her circumstance at home or where she live.  It may be no work where is she or work which is worse.  All body must pay bills and eat.  I have not opinion bad or good about persons until I must.  If demand then supply will come like all body in business.  Some people can not decide for them self what they do and must do what is work there is. May be she just like to talk with telephone. 

[facetrock]

  Bored1. What would the average Ukrainian think about the work that she does? Would they condemn her or would they think its a clever way to make a good living?

[Aloe]

what exactly does she do? romance the keyboard romeos who were never serious about the whole thing anyway? then it's fine. But i have a feeling she screws over some decent good hearted guys on the way, so they get burnt and give up the idea or worse, start thinking bad about FSUW in general, that's not good. I wouldn't do what she does

[giants11]

Hey there

She looks really good!

I'm going to be in Odessa next week. Do you have her contact information? I can meet up with her and let you know.

Cheers.

Steve

[Aloe]

Hey there

She looks really good!

I'm going to be in Odessa next week. Do you have her contact information? I can meet up with her and let you know.

Cheers.

Steve

don't forget to use your favorite technique to keep a woman with you, knock her up !

[Bored1]

  Bored1. What would the average Ukrainian think about the work that she does? Would they condemn her or would they think its a clever way to make a good living?

I do not think Ukrainian or Russian would see it as a good way to money but many will joke and laugh that she can do money this way.  There is also question over the circumstance of her work.  Who is employer as many time in sex it is bad people who make much money from womans.

I not understand what does this woman.  Is she talking on telephone or internet or webcam womans or escort?

[facetrock]

  As far as anyone knows she just chats online with men. Gives them the illusion that she is really interested in them. Some men like the fantasy world and keep on chattin.
  Now she could be an escort, she could strip online via a web cam for men but so far no proof of that. It would not surprise me to learn she does both. If she does do all of the above she is basically trash.

[Aloe]

  As far as anyone knows she just chats online with men. Gives them the illusion that she is really interested in them. Some men like the fantasy world and keep on chattin.
  Now she could be an escort, she could strip online via a web cam for men but so far no proof of that. It would not surprise me to learn she does both. If she does do all of the above she is basically trash.

she couldn't possibly chat with all the men herself, it's probably not even her doing it, but somebody using her pictures, pictures like that will get her 100 emails a day minimum. did anyone actually confirm it's her and not someone with stolen pictures

[facetrock]

  I am sure she is not chatting to all the men. For all anyone knows she might be married already and has a couple kids. She is pretty though and very popular with the fantasy boys.
   100 emails is alot. Another reason to forget writing and just go to Ukraine and eliminate all your competion.

[Aloe]

or you could be hawt and write a very inetersting profile that stands out in the crowd and go over of course. altho if you meet girls locally, vast majority of them will not want to move to another country

[Aloe]

facetrock, why are you interested exactly in ukrainians? By my observations, they have lower moral standards than russians, i lived there for 1 month i was shocked. or maybe it was just the town i lived in, that was so bad

[Bored1]

or you could be hawt and write a very inetersting profile that stands out in the crowd and go over of course. altho if you meet girls locally, vast majority of them will not want to move to another country

This is true.  I would not leave my country.

[facetrock]

  I am not any more interested in Ukrainians than Russians. Its just that this Zhanna girl was or is from Ukraine. I have been both to Russia and Ukraine but as far as who has better morals, I dont know. My observations were that the cultures were very similair.

[Aloe]

i've never witnessed or have been subjected to as many crimes in my entire life as in 1 month in ukraine. lol. everyone stealing from everywhere and everyone. but i was revolving in younger generations then, teenagers and young adults, maybe older ukrainians have better morals

[Daveman]

i have been away for a while and now i see that this thread is still being kicked around. wow, even BillR has come back to post here. when i saw that this thread was at the top of the list, i almost fell off my sofa.

i want to give a round of thanks to Stirlitz for letting us all know what he (doesn't) know about Zhanna. i really appreciate your honesty, Stirlitz, but it is sad in a way. i think lots of posters here would have liked to hear all about how naughty Zhanna has been. maybe someday someone will be able to 'extract' her and tell us all the real story about what she does to unwitting guys.

there is one question that i have for Sculpto: what do you really know about ElnaraK being a 'pot head'? anything? or are you just exaggerating like so many other guys who use this forum?

i chatted with ElnaraK very briefly a couple of times. funny thing happened the last time. she told me she likes to go to the Kactus klub. then i asked her if the guys treat her well, and she says that almost all of the guys talk to her for only a few seconds and then walk away. this made me think that she must have some serious personality issues like maybe she laughs like a braying horse. it was a little sad to hear it, but then maybe she had some strategy in mind in saying this. which reminds me of something really relevant to this thread: has anyone else here noticed that fsuw, who are supposed to be so clever and dangerous, seem to have almost no guile? or, is this just a part of their game? this is the kind of question that i find really fascinating. they just don't seem to be nearly as 'strategic' in what they say compared to your average aw.

oh, i have one other question for Sculpto: you wrote something to the effect that no one at hrb will "ever marry you". and yet, didn't neo marry someone from hrb? how do you explain that? maybe if neo could explain it. that would be even better.

AramisLux, glad to see you back.  Congratulations on making the trip over there. We look forward to your first hand experience and commentary.  I do admire your fortitude. I absolutely agree with your attitude - no better way to prove all these idiots and morons wrong than to go visit and marry one for yourself. I'm glad to hear you took the initiative!  Great job... Looking forward to the trip report and hopefully you'll invite a few of us to the wedding.

Again, Congrats!
Dave

[Sculpto]

there is one question that i have for Sculpto: what do you really know about ElnaraK being a 'pot head'? anything? or are you just exaggerating like so many other guys who use this forum?

two reasons.. takes one to know one.. and she told me.

i chatted with ElnaraK very briefly a couple of times. funny thing happened the last time. she told me she likes to go to the Kactus klub. then i asked her if the guys treat her well, and she says that almost all of the guys talk to her for only a few seconds and then walk away. this made me think that she must have some serious personality issues like maybe she laughs like a braying horse. it was a little sad to hear it, but then maybe she had some strategy in mind in saying this.

I have chatted with Elnara more than just briefly and over an extended period of time.  I was mostly interested in her as a way of learning more about FSUWs as I could see from her photos that she would be high maintainence no matter what.  Most of the problems she has had on HRB she has brought on herself because she is alternately scamming or getting involved with the wrong men.  She was engaged at one point and that fell through.  I don't know why.  She will invite just about anyone to come visit her.  But, she just can't be taken seriously.  She is too busy chatting with EVERYONE to have any kind of serius conversation with her.  She tells everyone she is interested so they will keep spending chat minutes with her.  That girl makes mroe money for HRB and most likely for herself than any other girl on that site.  All that said, she probably would marry someone if a guy with enough money and charm came around to sweep her off her feet.  But, I don't think that man exists.

oh, i have one other question for Sculpto: you wrote something to the effect that no one at hrb will "ever marry you". and yet, didn't neo marry someone from hrb? how do you explain that? maybe if neo could explain it. that would be even better.

I don't know about neo.  If he managed to get married to someone from that site I am suprised and wish him well.  But, what I do know is after I had problems I asked them repeatedly to put me in touch with ANYONE who had been married from that site.  The request was made in writing to Nadia and others and was never fullfilled.  Considering the number of men that use the site and the suprisingly high number of men who make trips from that site the rate of marriages appears to be horribly low.  Its pretty easy to find men with major complaints yet so very very few who have anything good to say. 

[Sculpto]

Aloe, can you tell us why some Russian women have so much prejudice against Ukrainians?  Most of us men do not see much of a difference culturally between the ladies from both countries.  some men might say that Ukrainian women on average are more beautiful, but, I didn't see much difference on that either.  But, I have heard over and over from Russian women that Ukrainian women are bad but no one can ever say exactly why.  Bored1 could answer this question also.