Specific Ukrainian Woman

[AramisLux]

BillR:

FWIW, i had a very long (about one year) correspondence with Zhanna and also had many live chats with her. i don't remember having many video chats, maybe one or two. when i got started over at hrb, she was one of the first girls i started up with. like about the first day. this was long before i had any idea what kind of quality i might come across at hrb. her profile at that time was very different than what you see now. in the beginning, she presented a look that was much more of a disco girl party girl type. she had the hooker lipstick and she looked real exotic. she showed a lot of leg and had on a little tight skirt in her photos. her outfit looked like red spandex. when she told me she was getting different photos taken, i had no idea how different her look was going to be. i kinda wish i had archived her original profile. it wasn't until much later that i began to archive profiles from hrb and save all of my "favorites". maybe the changing of her profile is what motivated me to do that.

i was a little concerned at first about the casino employee thing, but i never mentioned it to her. about half way through our "relationship", she told me she was having some trouble at work. she had told me that she was paid to work in the casino's "count room" but she wasn't handling any money. i got the impression she was doing some kind of admin work. maybe accounting/books. anyways, IIRC, she got another job at a bank. maybe as a teller or something like that. i don't think she has anything to do with the job at the casino. that is my best guess. she was very realistic  and sincere about having to get another job and had some of the attendant adversity that goes with that.

i can tell you that compared to some of the "people" at hrb, Zhanna is one of the more sincere. at least that was my experience. she responded to all of my communications much as a normal person would. i have had a handful of experiences with girls at hrb that couldn't keep their facts together where it is kinda obvious you are not communicating with the girl you started with. never had that kind of issue with Zhanna.

she sent me quite a few photos. most memorable, for me, was the time she was crowned "Miss Grace" at her agencies "beauty contest". i always felt like she was a fun and sincere person. her letters really impressed me. she has a fun imagination. she liked to send me little quizzes. does that sound familiar? i can remember having something of a debate with her about whether optimism is really a good thing or not. my position is that it can be over-rated and tends to cause real disappointments.

there came i time when she told me her mother had some health issues: heart problems. maybe she has mentioned something like that to you?

when i went over to hrb to see who your were asking about with this thread, and i saw her profile again, i almost fell outta my chair.

i don't know if you might want to ask me any questions. if you do, please feel free and i will be happy to answer if i can.

best of luck

[justsayno]

Bill,

I corresponded with Zhanna at HRB for a good bit of time, long enough to get her agency information and begin the process for arranging to meet her.  I'm in my 40s, decent looking and have been to Russia many times, but never to the Ukraine.  Back then, she was online frequently for the video chat and I do have the resources to do it while not worrying about the money issue.  She asked for gifts nearly every time we chatted or corresponded, which I don't find unusual since I found many Russians to be very opportunistic during my trips there so it wasn't out of the ordinary.

I too received the pictures of her and her dog "Stut," the pictures from her agency's beauty contest, one of her on the streets of Odessa, one with her friend Yana out to dinner, and many others.

When I was getting ready to actually make my travel arrangements to go to Odessa, some strange things started to happen.  She would say things that chronologically didn't make any sense and I began to get suspicious.  She would also ask me to chat all night (I'm not that irresponsible with my money) and would get upset if I didn't do it. I had a friend join and yes, he did get the same initial letter, but he also got other emails which were supposed to be unique communications to me, but she sent to my friend word-for-word.  I had bought her many gifts, including English lessons and she stated to my friend in an email that she wanted so much to learn English, but never had the opportunity to do so and would love to begin taking English lessons.  I cannot confirm it, but I think she was getting money instead of the gifts, this is the only explanation that makes sense.

I told her if she was sincere and really did want to get to know me that she had to  give me her cell number (she does have a cell phone, I saw her talking on it many times in the video chat).  She said she couldn't do it because of the rules, but I had two other women at HRB write down their numbers and flash them on the screen for me so that I could call them directly.

To make a long story short, I confronted her on it and then she started being very rude, and eventually quit corresponding or chatting. She is on the following pay sites (these are not the only ones) in addition to HRB:

- http://www.russian4love.com under Janetta
- http://www.lovelab.com.ua/JanettaAngel.html under JanettaAngel (this site operates under many different domain names, at least a dozen)
- http://www.anastasia-international.com/profile-Russian-woman-seek-marriage-Janetta-1102315.htm under Janetta

It's my opinion that she is a professional dater.  Do yourself a big favor and try some other options.  It's true that Ukrainian women are exceptionally beautiful, regardless of their age, but it's also true that there are many scammers and pro-daters out there.

I hope this helps and good luck to you sir.

[tfcrew]

Janetta
Wants ages '28-65' ??
A 'casino employer' ??
I would say... pro... caution advised.
Also..she is not really ethnic Ukrainian.
Nice looking but don't anyone fall in love with a picture......

Good luck
Karl
 

[Daveman]

She would be in the category of nonuberugly for sure.

BillR, this lady, or agency, is selling you a dream for pennies (or dollars) per day.  I understand she's hot and the communication is probably excellent (it has to be to keep you pumping in that money).  But... she's a dream.. a glimpse of hope in a nonexistent world.   That's how they pay the bills.

I realize this thread is a little older with your last post a month ago. So hopefully you've moved on by now... understanding reality in a different way.  Lots of good advice in this thread.  Read it carefully.

Good luck,
Dave

[Faux Pas]

She would be in the category of nonuberugly for sure.

BillR, this lady, or agency, is selling you a dream for pennies (or dollars) per day.  I understand she's hot and the communication is probably excellent (it has to be to keep you pumping in that money).  But... she's a dream.. a glimpse of hope in a nonexistent world.   That's how they pay the bills.

I realize this thread is a little older with your last post a month ago. So hopefully you've moved on by now... understanding reality in a different way.  Lots of good advice in this thread.  Read it carefully.

Good luck,
Dave

nonuberugly
 

[Gator]

I corresponded with Zhanna at HRB for a good bit of time...she was online frequently for the video chat and I do have the resources to do it while not worrying about the money issue.  She asked for gifts nearly every time we chatted or corresponded...When I was getting ready to actually make my travel arrangements to go to Odessa, some strange things started to happen....I began to get suspicious....She would also ask me to chat all night ....I had bought her many gifts, including English lessons ...I think she was getting money instead of the gifts...I confronted her on it and then she started being very rude, and eventually quit corresponding.
 

Justsayno,

You have presented an anatomy of how this scam unfolds.  I disagree only with your, "It's my opinion that she is a professional dater."  She is not a professional dater because few ever date her; she calls it off before the meeting because her Ukrainian boyfriend does not like her to date.

I stopped reading this story of futility when BillR checked out.  Now two men have come forth with their fantasy stories about the same woman.  If we have three men at RWD admitting to have dropped a bundle on Zhanna, can you imagine how much $$$ this vamp has raked in!  Now I know how HRB stays in business even though its reputation is deplorable.


Words of advice for the Newbie:

99.9% of the men would serve themselves well to ignore such vamps with their glamour shots on disreputable agency sites, and instead correspond directly to women who post homemade photos on reputable sites.  This is just not to avoid a scam.  There is a positive side:

The RW with homemade photos always look better in real life.   Those with glamour shots never look as good.  Also, you know that the words are also homemade and probably sincere.

Zhanna sincere? 

i can tell you that compared to some of the "people" at hrb, Zhanna is one of the more sincere. at least that was my experience. she responded to all of my communications much as a normal person would.

There is an explanantion.  Because Zhanna is such a rainmaker for HRB, the best interpreter/author at HRB is assigned to her and no other interpreter is allowed to craft letters to Zhanna's men.

[Admin]

For the record:

Member 'justsayno' was, apparently, only interested in making a single post. He/she registered an account - made a single post - and they changed their email address (which requires re-authentication automatically by the forum software), and the email address they are using is bogus - therefore, no possibility for them to receive the requisite email for re-authenticating and gaining access to RWD.

Unless they made a mistake with the new email (highly unlikely), it seems they were not here to become a contributing member of the community. They were here only to make a single post - and move on.

No-one should expect a reply from 'justsayno.'

- Dan

[Sculpto]

Not sure how I missed this thread when it was fresh.  I never corresponded with this woman, however...

From the story told by the OP, particularly about the beauty contest and her presence on multiple sites.. I know this MO...

It is again the Orchid Agency of Odessa.  They do not have a site.  They function as an HRB affiliate and they do post their girls on multiple other sites like Aweb, AFA, Army and obviously the others that have been linked in this thread.  This agency has got to be the biggest scam in Odessa.  They also have branches in Kherson and Nikolaev.  They claim to be a "Christian" agency, which IMHO is a despicable perversion of the image most Americans have of the meaning of such a statement.

The girls from this agency are on contract.  They will never give out their contact info and they will always claim it is because of safety.  They almost never speak English.  They will encourage long correspondence and they get mad if you don't send flowers and other gifts and they will give a lot of pressure to view them on their webcams even though they AREN'T doing anything worth viewing.  They agency has beauty contests and a lot of other "perks" to get girls to join.  The agency offices themselves appear rather nice, at least from what I could tell from the webcam, nice furnishings, free food for the girls etc...

HRB claims this is one of their most reputable affiliate agencies and they also claim many marriages.  I asked HRB to provide references to men who got married using this agency because I was interested in one of the girls.  They were never able to do so.  This agency and its scam girls were the final straw for me that got me to quit the scam site.

SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM..

[YourUSAMan]

The story that justsayno related is not entirely true and it's not his story, it's mine.  He's a misguided friend who thinks he's doing me a favor.  He's Russian and hates the fact that many of these women are taking advantage of foreign men. I actually did lodge talk to hot russian brides about Zhanna and they basically told her if she didn't stop her behavior she would have to leave the site.  She responded by telling them that she was leaving.  If she's back, then she must be obeying the rules because they promised to scrutinize all of her correspondence.

Listen, nobody put a gun to my head and made me spend the money or my time at hotrussianbrides.com.  The bottom line is that I took too much for granted and didn't use common sense there.  Not all the women there are bad and you can say the same for all the pay sites.  The truth is, I wish I would have handled things differently with Zhanna because I think that deep down there is potential there. 

For a long time I was very hurt and angry, but have gotten over it.  I would like to throw out the idea that if we grew up under the tough circumstances that these ladies have, would we be any different?  I'm not excusing the behavior, but I think that one statement gives a bit of insight into things.

Bill, if you still feel like giving her a shot just don't spoil her, don't spend a lot of money on chats and gifts.  Just correspond and see what happens.  If she's really interested, she return your attention equally without all the spoiling.  If she ignores you, then you have your answer.

[GoodOlBoy]

For a long time I was very hurt and angry,but have gotten over it. 

IMO, I think you may still have some "residual" issues. 


GOB

[Daveman]

Bill, if you still feel like giving her a shot just don't spoil her, don't spend a lot of money on chats and gifts.  Just correspond and see what happens.  If she's really interested, she return your attention equally without all the spoiling.  If she ignores you, then you have your answer.

But isn't the point of this website and others like it to generate revenue from all forms of correspondence (mail/phone/video). The "spoiling" as you term is would be more icing on the cake.  This woman seems to be very popular -- with three guys already from our little group, so how many world wide?  While I have no proof via hard evidence, doesn't it seem reasonable and probable that she gets a kickback from the agency to keep the guys drooling and chasing?

This seems so insanely obvious.  Like an axe blade flying right at your head.  Sometimes you just gotta DUCK.

[groovlstk]

This is not the first time some lovesick guy fell for a whore via pay-per-view (or thought he fell in love, since none of these guys ever travel to meet their peep show beauties and know virtually zilch about them) and then posted here the usual "is she real?" questions only to have yet another John who chats with the same webcam babe post a warning or rebuttal using an alias.

And after the anger and recriminations, the usual hand-wringing and forgiveness follow (because she has a "tough life" and we can never understand how difficult she has it, you see. Etc., etc.).

Compassion and an "aw, shucks!" attitude about the cash you've thrown at a prostitute don't make you any less a fool. It doesn't make you look like a bigger guy, only a bigger fool. You guys ought to play in your own little cesspool where your aliases are safe amongst the whores and fellow losers.

[Simoni]

This is not the first time some lovesick guy fell for a whore via pay-per-view...

I am not amazed at all that some guy on the rebound (divorced) see pics of a beautiful russian girl and falls in love with the idea that he can have her. It's how the corrupt agencies make their living.

Honestly, Bill-- do you really think this girl is interested in a long distance, international relationship?  She can have any man she wants locally.

Don't waste another dime on her, or any other agency "10."

[Vinnvinny]

Don't waste another dime on her, or any other agency "10."

I’d best dump mine then. 

[kievstar]

I have not read entire thread.  But do we have any men who have visited this woman in person in Odessa?  Reason I ask she is on television all the time in Brussels on the dating commercials in French and Dutch. For some reason in Brussels after 11 pm you either get news and dating channels on television in the hotel. 

Quit writing letters and get on a plane.  Visit many women and when you find the one you like stop seeing anymore. Not hard.  This girl is good looking but not even close to being a model. 

[Daveman]

Quit writing letters and get on a plane.  Visit many women and when you find the one you like stop seeing anymore. Not hard.  This girl is good looking but not even close to being a model. 

heh... maybe not but I wouldn't kick her out of bed unless she was damn good on the floor...  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

Climbing back under rock of shame...

[Daveman]

I am not amazed at all that some guy on the rebound (divorced) see pics of a beautiful russian girl and falls in love with the idea that he can have her. It's how the corrupt agencies make their living.

Simoni,
I'm not amazed by that either really. But what does amaze me are the situations like groov mentions.  Guys come here time and time again, ask if she's for real, then when they get the real scoop they begin to debate every possible reason why their original gut instinct which brought them here in the first place is somehow fatally flawed, and then make all kinds of off the wall excuses, rationalizations, and justifications.  Maybe I'm becoming an O(n)MB before my time, but sheesh... if you ask for advice, then freakin' LISTEN to the answers!  You're not the first and won't be the last, but this situation has been seen and exposed as a scam a thousand times before. 

And the real shocker... yourUSAman, who played into the hands of this very agency and woman is now giving the advice to "keep at 'er old chap... just don't buy anything expensive"...  Why would you not be telling everyone to get away from this?  You were scammed and played for a fool, but you still rationalize that somehow this is all could be for real and to play it out and see what happens... Your Russian friend is correct JUSTSAYNO! 

You CAN meet a doll of a woman, fall in love, and have happiness beyond what you imagined (with a side order of weirdness thrown in)... but read up on the right ways to go about so you can avoid the gazillion pitfalls lurking to suck you into the abyss.

Okay, my rant is over... no offense meant to you personally USAman.... welcome to the board and I wish you the best.. but get the hell away from this agency and any agency which operates in this manner.  They're selling Vaporware.

Dave

[groovlstk]

The webcam dudes are in a league of their own. I don't believe you can even call the companies that they're paying "agencies" in the sense that we use the term.

I can have sympathy for guys who fall for a photo and emails, at least on the delusion scale they are within the spectrum - the peepshow losers who fall in "love" are so far off the scale as to be in need of the men with butterfly nets. I mean, c'mon - these girls are spreading their legs on camera for anyone who coughs up a fee, their job is to keep the guy online and paying for as long as possible, yet these dweebs interpret this as interest in them, personally 

[Vaughn]

...these dweebs interpret this as interest in them, personally 

Aw, c'mon now groov - next you'll be claiming there's no Easter Bunny. Why spoil their fun?

[tfcrew]

I like the ethnic Russian look.
A nice clean gallery...

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/316052/

Novel picture of the girl on the railroad track-----------

[Simoni]

I like the ethnic Russian look.
A nice clean gallery...

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/316052/

Novel picture of the girl on the railroad track-----------

Yes, indeed!  And one of you single guys needs to rush in and save her!!!

[Daveman]

Yes, indeed!  And one of you single guys needs to rush in and save her!!!

LOL!!  Yeah.... let's just say... I wouldn't kick her off the tracks unless she was exceptionally talented in the gravel...

crawling back under rock... yet again.. 

[AramisLux]

i am a bit surprised to read some of the things that have been posted here since i contributed to this thread. what others have written here about Zhanna does not comport with my own experience. with me, Zhanna was always forthcoming, consistent with her facts, and followed the "story line" of our communications without missing a beat. i am quite aware of other people posing as girls by taking over their communications which i have sniffed out many times. not once did i ever get the impression that communications from Zhanna were ghost written, staged, problematic, or unusual in any way. she never hassled me about anything even when she discussed our.....well.....break up (for want of a better term).

as for asking for gifts, she hinted at it maybe two to three times and only after we had been communicating for about six months. yes that is correct: six months without asking for anything at all. i may have bought her candy one time and nothing else. i would certainly never "buy" someone - anyone - at hrb english lessons. don't they want over $200 US for those things? that is just kurrrrazzzy. i certainly didn't "drop a bundle" on her. maybe other guys have, but i wouldn't know about that.

with all of this talk about Zhanna going on, i am thinking a little bit about starting back up with her, but i probably won't do it. maybe because for me, she is just not that attractive. she does have a lot going for her - mainly her personality. she has a cute face and very nice hair though.

as for her agency, i only have limited insight into how they do business. based on what i do know, they operate with some really weird rules that make them appear to be extremely greedy. i am inclined to believe the worst about them. they certainly want to make money every which way they can: you are expected to pay cab fair from the airport, terp expense, their apartment rental, fee to meet the girl. they really want it to add up. it's like "why don't you just reach into all my pockets and take everything i have?" what an attitude. well, maybe my insight is not quite as limited as first thought.

but terms like "peep show" and "prostitute" are a little over the top IMHO. sounds like someone is really sore. i don't consider Zhanna to be a prostitute. to me, she was always very nice and very decent.

[AramisLux]

it was stated in a prior post: "do you really think this girl is interested in a long distance, international relationship?  She can have any man she wants locally."

if this is true, WTH are we are all trying to do this for?

[kievstar]

Have you visited yet?  Has any man seen her in person?