American men as scammers too

[SilverBUllet]

Came across this story from an agency in Kyiv about an American sex offender who has been spending time in Kyiv.
So not only men need to watch out for scammers, local women need to be careful and screen the men too. 

http://www.ukraine-wife-now.com/index.htm

http://www.ukrainianwifenow.com/sex-offender-report.htm

[Misha]

Okay, I am a bit confused. Your second link does not work and the first is to a website that indicates that it is an American man scamming other men.

[Mishenka]

Okay, I am a bit confused. Your second link does not work and the first is to a website that indicates that it is an American man scamming other men.

Both links work fine,  SB is warning all of us abouth this creep! Thanks SB well done,

Gainer is wanted in the United States for failing to register as a sex offender.  Is failing to register serious?  A California court recently sentenced a man to 25 years imprisonment for failing to register.  That sounds pretty serious.

Instead of registering as a sex offender, he fled the United States and came to Ukraine, where he scams foreign men who are looking for romance.  Instead, he introduces them to prostitutes.

Mishenka

[ECOCKS]

This is the guy I was referencing on "that other thread".  Doesn't seem to be active or at best only a very small-time fringe player.  Also, the registration failure constitutes a minor crime.  No one is going to extradite him for something like this.  As to whether he has broken any Ukrainian laws, who knows?  He has been accused but has not been arrested, charged or convicted of anything in Ukraine that I am aware of.

The part that is interesting to consider is what would be the reaction if that flyer was edited with the pictures of a few of the posters here and then placed into circulation in their home towns.  I suspect that would be the point when their self-interest would be pegged in the other direction and an epiphany would occur.

[wxman]

This is the guy I was referencing on "that other thread".  Doesn't seem to be active or at best only a very small-time fringe player.  Also, the registration failure constitutes a minor crime.  No one is going to extradite him for something like this.  As to whether he has broken any Ukrainian laws, who knows?  He has been accused but has not been arrested, charged or convicted of anything in Ukraine that I am aware of.

The part that is interesting to consider is what would be the reaction if that flyer was edited with the pictures of a few of the posters here and then placed into circulation in their home towns.  I suspect that would be the point when their self-interest would be pegged in the other direction and an epiphany would occur.

From the second link:
 "He's a convicted SEX OFFENDER.  David Vincent Gainer was convicted in the Maricopa Court in Arizona, USA in case number S-0700-CR-2006011190 on 13th October 2006"

One of the requirements of his release from prison, is to register. As a convicted felon, he has now violated the terms of his release, and if he ever returns, will go straight back to prison to serve the rest of his term plus a few extra years. But you're right, he won't be extradited from Ukraine for this and he knows it.

[kievstar]

Many married men come to Kiev for girlfriends - some tell truth others lie about K-1 taking a longtime.  Two agency owners tell me off the record that in Kiev more bad guys visit than good.  But both are paying customers.  One is Delphania which now designs it agencies for the bad guys.  Other you can figure it out but it is an American owner. 

Used to be a good investment for a married man.  Buy an apartment in Kiev and it would raise in price more than 20% a year (no property taxes) and have a young girl take care of it and have sex with you when you visit for business or vacation.   

There are more good girls in agencies than good men visiting them.  That is why it is easy for a good man to find a wife in Ukraine.  I feel sorry for the women in the agencies they have few choices of good men.

[ECOCKS]

It is possible that he is also committing a parole violation in which case, yes he would be returned to prison.  Most likely however he is merely required to register and if he fails to do so will be hit with a misdemeanor charge and maybe placed back under a probation/reporting program. 

You might spend a moment and consider something else.  He is apparently required to register in all 50 of the US states, our territories and the District of Columbia but he isn't residing there now.  I suspect there is no requirement for him to notify the government if he is not living inside the US unless the government of where he is living has a law requiring other country's sex offenders to register.  He apparently was allowed to retain his passport and exit the country since a passport scan is on the document, in color, which no US LE agency would publish.  Since most foreigners cannot figure out how to get a visa here, how likely is it anyone knows for sure whether he is supposed to have registered in Ukraine?

You might also take note of the wording of the document in the link. Lots of sensationalism and outrageous editorial comments.  No law enforcement agency sends out a document like that.  It is the work of an individual or small group, not American by the way, that is harassing the guy.  David Gainer was convicted of a sex crime in Arizona, however I have seen no verification that he is a Level III offender or that he is actively "fleeing" any type of prosecution.  That flyer is not from Interpol, the SBU, the FSB, the CIA, the FBI or the Maricopa, Arizona PD.  Someone put it together and put it in circulation.

[Diplomacy]

I assure you that is not a police sent flyer.  What he is and does is another issue completely.

I do not even argue the point that there are plenty of bad men heading over there.  I do not think bad men have all that much interest in this site.  Much like any scammer, why got to extra effort to educate yourself.  Path of least resistance is easier target. 

See what we miss here, is that instead of posting all the negatives of men and women by both boards.  How about we assist each other in finding out if the other is "good"?  Try to minimize the bad people taking advantage of each other.

I know and have talked to quite a few FSUW that married bad men and came to the USA.  There is probably equal amount of horror stories for everyone to share.  Pointing out examples of each other scammers will do the other side no good.

Now an open conduit for getting an WM opinion on a WM, and a FSUW opinion on a FSUW is a win-win IMO.  Sure there will be examples of the opinion being wrong, we are all human.

Think about not treating a symptom, but curing the problem please.  I am sure we both got plenty of members that know everything and we can afford to share information.

[SilverBUllet]

Okay, I am a bit confused. Your second link does not work and the first is to a website that indicates that it is an American man scamming other men.

Both links works and report the story of the same man. He used to run an Agency in Kyiv scamming both men and women. Reportedly he is a convicted sex offender from the USA according to the story and the information offered there. I don't know anything about the story other than reported there.

The point is there are foreign men, in this case an American operating as a scammer in Ukraine. Scamming local girls and their foreign dates as in the example.

There are a lot of comments and focus on scams on this site, I am just saying scams can go both ways.  Perhaps it is too easy for men here to report women as so called scammers. In many cases it could be by rejected men who felt they deserved more after some dates or a few presents.  :selfharm: :ohbrother:

[Diplomacy]

We very much report on good and bad agencies.  A lot of which are run by men.  There are plenty of feedback about women that are not "in" to men. 

Is it correct social standing and manners to get them to buy women meals, gifts and entertain the whole trip?  If she is not into him?  I would think a woman with manners would say as much.

I guess since he is a lox, then it is all what he deserves.  When it is women that is naive then it is bad social standing and manners of the men.  Right?

Please read all of the forum, you see plenty of people chastising men for such behavior.  They may post and get some sort of personal gratification out of it, as sorry as that is. 

I am pretty sure the majority of the men on this forum will completely agree there are many WM going to the FSU.  Why can we not agree that there are plenty of bad FSUW that are taking advantage of men also?

SB, you should be ashamed about the shot on a 3rd tier University.  I went to two tier one Universities so you know my "standing"  The second you need to make yourself better at the expense of another University, is the second you throw your intellect out the window.

[Misha]

Both links works and report the story of the same man.

Okay, the second link worked for me now. This is what they write about his activities in Ukraine: "Instead of registering as a sex offender, he fled the United States and came to Ukraine, he scams foreign men who are looking for romance.  Instead, he introduces them to prostitutes."