Concern about scam red flag

[Simoni]

I learned by doing.  So I made lots of mistakes.  I'm happy to tell newbies how to get it right the first time.  But often as not, they have to go through the process and learn for themselves.  That is why I advised the OP to go ahead if he wanted to, but to send a ticket, and not cash.   

And who knows?  It might work out. But probably not.

Live and learn.

But here is the likely outcome...

The writing is on the wall in 10-ft. high block letters. 

[BC]

BC, if you don't mind, could you please elaborate on your experiences of meeting in a third country? How did it came about? How did it go? etc.

Thanks.

Easy.. OPEN YOUR MOUTH!!

(sorry hit the enter key too soon and posted)

I do a lot of traveling and found that the distance from your couch at home to the lady sitting at the next table in another country is exactly the same.  You could be two feet or two thousand miles and it doesn't make a difference unless you speak up.

[Mishenka]

Al_c, By now you have awaken from this dream. There are some excellent posts here warning you. If you stay on this course you are going to get hurt.

Clearly she is not telling the whole account about her green card status. Ask her to explain the truth about how she got it. Until you know everything, don't assume she has one.  Here's the deal, there are only 2 ways for a woman from Kryg to get this visa. One is by marriage, the other is a "DV". A diversity visa is a conditional 2 year temporary green card given to residents of countries with the smallest number of immigrants who applied to the annual lottery.  If she has one, it may have expired by now. a card holder must stay in the country at least 6 months (180 days)a year to keep it. IF she over stayed this visa and did not follow through without filing proper paperwork to change her status to remove the conditions, by paying $1010 to get the permanent 10 year GC, she is in violation. Chances are she would not be able to get another visa for 10 years. My fiance's brother has one for his whole family (wife and son) and tells me it took over 3 years to process. If your girl had a DV she would have stayed here. They are too hard to get to just let one go. Ask her to make this story clear.

She tells you she has friends here yet doesn't want to take you to meet them? Sincere FSU women will want to do the opposite. They will take you to meet their friends to get their opinion and approval, ESPECIALLY from FAMILY! Every FSU woman I have dated, (10) have taken me to meet family and friends within  a day or two of meeting.

Everyone knows Brighton is full of FSU immigrants. For that matter, America is full of FSU immigrants. Why not meet some here and get to know them before investing hard earned money over seas? Her showing no interest in getting personal with you, shows she is not honest or serious about a relationship.  About her wanting to keep her family out of it, RED couldn't get brighter. About her wanting the tickets left at a FedEx office for pickup?  Whiles it's true FedEx in her country has a reputation or loosing things, I think she she is testing you to see how gullible you are. Airline tix are best left at the Airline for pickup in this situation! In some cases, boarding passes can be prinited online. No need to send through Fedex at all. She understands how little experience you have with FSU women and will take full advantage of you. A serious genuine FSU woman will protect you, never take advantage, never ask for money unless you have met and are enngaged to be married. I have to be careful not to complain about money, Galina will offer to send me cash! Genuine RW think of family first, Their man is number one, and if married with kids, her children are #1.  

If I were standing in your shoes, I would stop all communication with her and meet someone new. If she will not wait until May to meet you, chances are she is speaking with other men and making the same plans with them to see who, if any, take the bait.  Do not get emotionally involved with her.  Do a 180 degree turn and RUN as far as far away as you can. Read Waynes thread, " wife split" and learn.

Listen to the wisdom here on these threads and hear the warning. Don't be fooled and waste your time. One last bit of advice, you will spend no less than $10,000 each year in this endeavor to find a genuine loving FSUW. If you don't have an extra $3000 to spend on your first trip, don't go.  If you are concerned with spending $1100 on a plane ticket,  FSU women are not for you. In closing, no one in their right mind would marry anyone after the first time they meet. That's the definition of insanity. Please take your time and handle with care. 

Mishenka

[viking]

Let me jump in here for a moment. For those you you who dont know, Al has been around the block a few tmes and is an experienced traveler to the FSU. He is smart enough to recognize the flags mentioned and is raising the issue to confirm/deny his suspicions.

[Ooooops]

  A green card is for permanent residency in the US, not brief periodic visits.

This is the idea, yes, but in reality lots of people use it for "brief periodic visits" just to maintain necessary appearance for keeping the GC.   Sometimes it's frown upon but most of the time it's overlooked.   

[Ooooops]

One last bit of advice, you will spend no less than $10,000 each year in this endeavor to find a genuine loving FSUW.

WOW!   10K for a genuine loving FSUW?   Sounds like "Stepford Wives"   

[ambach123]

I think the total cost is more like 30 to 50 K, and that is until she gets here, more after she arrives.

[Ooooops]

I think the total cost is more like 30 to 50 K, and that is until she gets here, more after she arrives.

Can you upgrade later to a newer model?   

[Al_C]

Thank you all for your input.  I have been reading your posts and will continue to read the ones that no doubt will continue to come.  I will sort all of this out as quickly as I can, including research on the diversity visa so I can ask her some hard questions about that visa, if that is what she had, or if she really had a K-1, stayed with the guy long enough to get her permanent GC, and then ditched him.

It seems clear now that I have been drilling in a dry well, to coin a metaphor.  Just to make sure, I sent a small flower order to the address she gave me.

Thank you again for your advice.

BTW I am not poor, as some of you seem to believe.  I have access to the necessary money to see this journey thorugh to completion, but just like most of you, I am a middle class worker who does not have money to burn.  So I need to see to it that I get the most bang for the buck here and not waste any of that money on women out to waste my time.

BTW #2:  Expedia and Travelocity both have Bishkek to JFK round trip tickets for $1185.00.  I normally use Priceline when I travel, which is a little cheaper, but they only handle flights that oriiginate in the U.S.  It pays to do research:  More bang for the buck.

BTW #3:  Meeting a RW in a thrid country is not as wacky of an idea as some of you think.  Sometimes the lady has too many meddliing family members or friends, and this is the best way to spend your time solely with her and not with any of them.  I did it with my last RW meeting (the Amsterdam trip, as some of you may remember).

[Al_C]

Can you upgrade later to a newer model?   

Sure can!  The place you go for that is called divorce court.

[Daveman]

Sure can!  The place you go for that is called divorce court.

Hey, take it to TV with judge Lynn Toler (sp?)... I bet these "MOB" divorces would up their ratings exponentially. They'd really eat that up.  Perfect reality fodder in many ways.. GCG's, DV claims, man...

[Ooooops]

Sure can!  The place you go for that is called divorce court.

That model gonna cost you a lot!   

[GoodOlBoy]

In closing, no one in their right mind would marry anyone after the first time they meet. That's the definition of insanity. Please take your time and handle with care. 
Mishenka

Color me insane Mishenka. 

I proposed at the end of our first meeting (2 weeks) and I was very lucky that she accepted . 

BTW #3:  Meeting a RW in a thrid country is not as wacky of an idea as some of you think.  Sometimes the lady has too many meddliing family members or friends, and this is the best way to spend your time solely with her and not with any of them.  I did it with my last RW meeting (the Amsterdam trip, as some of you may remember).

I have done it myself a couple of times and I completely agree AL_C.

Best of luck to you.



GOB

[Simoni]

Color me insane Mishenka. 

I proposed after our first meeting and I was very lucky that she accepted . 
GOB

That is crazy.

[ambach123]

I am confused.

Some people think that meeting exclusively for a short time and proceeding further quickly is insanity.

Others swear by it as the way to go.

[Simoni]

Marrying someone you have known for less that a week is crazy.

Meeting them several more times and then popping the question is not.

Don't marry a stranger. 

[GoodOlBoy]

Let me clarify my previous posting.

I DO NOT want to mislead any Newbies out there reading this.

I proposed to my wife after being with her in Greece for 2 weeks (separate hotel rooms).

A few month's later, I went to Russia (Omsk) and lived there for almost 3 month's to meet her family and friends and ask her Father for my wife's hand in marriage (because that is what GoodOlBoy's from Virginia do).

And yes, before our meeting in Greece I had been emailing her and talking to her on the telephone (fluent english) at her work almost everyday.

Did I break any of the RWD 10 commandments? You betcha! 


GOB

[Daveman]

I am confused.

Some people think that meeting exclusively for a short time and proceeding further quickly is insanity.

Others swear by it as the way to go.

Don't be confused... relationships grow over time... feeling that throb of "great intuition"  is not a reliable ally - especially when the thoughts, desires, motives, etc. of another human being are added to the equation.

The odds are much more in your favor if you take the time to know each other like you would with any relationship with any other woman from your own area...

Short, simple, and spot on:

Marrying someone you have known for less that a week is crazy.

Meeting them several more times and then popping the question is not.

Don't marry a stranger.

[boaterguy]

I reckon I R Insane too! Proposing and marrying are 2 diffrent things though. By the time my wife and I married we had lived together for 4+1/2 of the 9 months while we were waiting for her K1. No Hanky Panky on our 1st meeting either! Would our marriage have worked if we were able to get married and come to the US directly after our 1st meeting? A resounding NO! Would our marriage have worked if we didn't spend nearly 4 months together after our engagement in Russia before she came to the US? A Resounding NO! Acclimating to a new partner is stressful no mater what anyone says. IMO moving to a new country,leaving behind everything and everyone you know is even more stressful. Combine the 2 and I think it would be like throwing a stick of dynamite in the fire!

Let me clarify my previous posting.

I DO NOT want to mislead any Newbies out there reading this.

I proposed to my wife after being with her in Greece for 2 weeks (separate hotel rooms).

A few month's later, I went to Russia (Omsk) and lived there for almost 3 month's to meet her family and friends and ask her Father for my wife's hand in marriage (because that is what GoodOlBoy's from Virginia do).

And yes, before our meeting in Greece I had been emailing her and talking to her on the telephone (fluent english) at her work almost everyday.

Did I break any of the RWD 10 commandments? You betcha! 


GOB

[mark2353]

Sure can!  The place you go for that is called divorce court.

In second though it might be cheaper to keep the older model just do regular maintenance!

[Mishenka]

GOB,  I won't color you insane for only proposing.   I didn't mention proposing.
I said anyone who gets married after meeting Some one on the first trip is the definition of insanity. Meaning knowing some one only a week or 10 days then walking down the Isle. Yikes! A bit reckless of both parties involved.
Mishenka

[Mishenka]

WOW!   10K for a genuine loving FSUW?   Sounds like "Stepford Wives"   

Stepford wives are neither genuine or loving.  I don't get the connection between them.  Funny how you left out the key word...spend $10,000 searching to "FIND" a genuine loving FSUW.  Finding a genuine loving woman of any nationality is difficult enough in this age we live in, not to mention the cost involved.  Spending $10, 000 each year "searching" for a GENUINE FSUW is typical, but not the total it will cost. This is an expected amount to budjet during a one year time, in order to pay for air travel, meals, lodging, gifts, and start the search.

If all it cost was $10,000 to find and marry a RW, schools here would be teaching Russian as a second language instead of English or Spanish. 

[Mishenka]

I think the total cost is more like 30 to 50 K, and that is until she gets here, more after she arrives.

 

Yes Ambach, exactly my point. I didn't mention the total cost and don't even want to go there.
Soon we will all be standing in line with the banks asking congress for a bail out! 

[Shadow]

I guess its cheaper for Europeans. On the other hand...who's counting ?

[chivo]

BTW I am not poor, as some of you seem to believe.  I have access to the necessary money to see this journey thorugh to completion, but just like most of you, I am a middle class worker who does not have money to burn.  So I need to see to it that I get the most bang for the buck here and not waste any of that money on women out to waste my time.

OK, you're not poor. You're not rich either, and like you said you want more bang for your buck. Why would you waste time on a woman who's clearly not into you? Whether she's a scammer or not can be debated, but there's no doubt about the fact that she is not into you. Well, nowhere close to the way you want.

BTW #2:  Expedia and Travelocity both have Bishkek to JFK round trip tickets for $1185.00.  I normally use Priceline when I travel, which is a little cheaper, but they only handle flights that oriiginate in the U.S.  It pays to do research:  More bang for the buck.

OK, the price is consistant. I'm sure she is at least aware of the fact that you might just check this out. Anyone can find this information.

BTW #3:  Meeting a RW in a thrid country is not as wacky of an idea as some of you think.  Sometimes the lady has too many meddliing family members or friends, and this is the best way to spend your time solely with her and not with any of them.  I did it with my last RW meeting (the Amsterdam trip, as some of you may remember).

I don't know about your trip to Amsterdam, but taking a trip to a different country only means you've met a woman who's willing to take a vacation on your dime. And no, its not wacky. It's also not an indication that you've met a woman who wants to spend the rest of her life with you. What is it you're actually looking for?

This woman is keeping way to much "simple" information from you for you to take her seriously. Go, have a good time. Pay for want you want to pay for. But, how can you ever trust a woman like this for anything more than doing things on your tab. Marriage is not an option with this lady. A blind man could figure this out. Good luck.

chivo