Dating Site Scammers

[jdk1963]

I am corresponding with two women whom I met on one of the dating sites.  So far there has been no request for money and neither has professed her undying love for me.  However what I find particularly strange is that after 3 or 4 emails both women have deleted their profiles.  This seems a rather strange thing to do.  I asked one of the women and she said she had deleted her profile so she could devote more attention to me.  It sounds reasonable but????  It sounds extremely fishy to me. 

Has anyone else encountered this?

[Vaughn]

Has anyone else encountered this?

Yeah, I did - but only after a few months of e-mails & phone calls. When I made concrete plans
to visit, my future wife thought it was a good idea to pull her own profile.

Have you phoned this woman yet?

[facetrock]

This is my take on this and have also had it happen. I think what they do is get a bunch of men communicating with them before they delete their profile. If they left it there while trying to scam and and one of the men reported it, they might have their profile suspended, and that would make all who he/she was communicating with suspicious.

Now if they are as beautiful as a 25 year old Kim Basinger, I would be very suspicious.

If you are new at this keep writing, you will learn soon enough if they are scammers and learn what scam letters sound like.

Also I want you to swear on a stack of russian women profiles that you will never send money!!!! No matter how small the amount!!!!!

[jdk1963]

This is my take on this and have also had it happen. I think what they do is get a bunch of men communicating with them before they delete their profile. If they left it there while trying to scam and and one of the men reported it, they might have their profile suspended, and that would make all who he/she was communicating with suspicious.

Makes sense!  I guess if you get enough men to communicate with the 1 or 2 who might get suspicious won't matter.

Now if they are as beautiful as a 25 year old Kim Basinger, I would be very suspicious.

Yes, at least in the photos, and yes I am very suspicious.  Although I contacted the one 1st not that that makes any real difference.

If you are new at this keep writing, you will learn soon enough if they are scammers and learn what scam letters sound like.

The first time it happened was rather funny.  She suggested that she come to the US and then that I come to Russia with her.  She even gave exact dates.  What made it so funny was that the week she "planned" on coming to the US I was going to be doing some work in the field testing equipment.  When I told her this I never heard from her again.  Some of them have gotten better some not.  Of the 2 I have been communicating with I am 99.99% sure the one is a scammer.  The second I am not so sure but I have my suspicions.  I am sure that some of that is not wanting to believe that she is a scammer.

Also I want you to swear on a stack of russian women profiles that you will never send money!!!! No matter how small the amount!!!!!

No problem here.  I won't even pay for the flower check thing to see if either one is real.  If they want my cash they're going to have to do the old fashioned way and earn it.

[Simoni]

I am corresponding with two women whom I met on one of the dating sites.  So far there has been no request for money and neither has professed her undying love for me.  However what I find particularly strange is that after 3 or 4 emails both women have deleted their profiles.  This seems a rather strange thing to do.  I asked one of the women and she said she had deleted her profile so she could devote more attention to me.  It sounds reasonable but????  It sounds extremely fishy to me. 

Has anyone else encountered this?

Is it a free site?   On such sites, this is common.   They lure a staple of guys in, start scamming, then jump off before they get caught by the site admin.

I in no way am saying this is the case with you.  But I did experience that in the past, and it was true in those cases.

[Misha]

I am corresponding with two women whom I met on one of the dating sites. 

Has anyone else encountered this?

Just curious as to which sites? This would never happen with one of the Russian free dating sites. A woman would delete her profile only after meeting you and being sure that you were the one for her.

[jdk1963]

Just curious as to which sites? This would never happen with one of the Russian free dating sites. A woman would delete her profile only after meeting you and being sure that you were the one for her.

The site is ukrainedate.com  I am not explicitly implying that either of the women are scammers but this does seem to be a very strange thing to do.   

I would suspect that any rationally thinking woman would wait until she had met me and was sure that I was the man of her dreams.

[Shadow]

I would suspect that any rationally thinking woman would wait until she had met me and was sure that I was the man of her dreams.

If you really expect a woman to think rational you should stop reading the agency hype 

[ScottinCrimea]

Thinking rationally has never been a part of this process.

[Simoni]

The site is ukrainedate.com  I am not explicitly implying that either of the women are scammers but this does seem to be a very strange thing to do.   

That site seems to be related to confidential connections and UA Ladies.  If so, it is a scam site and you should avoid it at all costs.

I had success with EM, but the girls are too far spread out for a visit many trip.   I also had success with idi bridge in Kharkiv, and cindy agency in Dnerp.     I'd suggest a write one trip with someone you meet in Kharkiv or Dnerp via EM.   Acquaint yourself with the dating agencies I mentioned, and use them for a backup if chemistry is not what you expected with the write one girl.

~Si

[Sculpto]

That site seems to be related to confidential connections and UA Ladies.  If so, it is a scam site and you should avoid it at all costs.

I had success with EM, but the girls are too far spread out for a visit many trip.   I also had success with idi bridge in Kharkiv, and cindy agency in Dnerp.     I'd suggest a write one trip with someone you meet in Kharkiv or Dnerp via EM.   Acquaint yourself with the dating agencies I mentioned, and use them for a backup if chemistry is not what you expected with the write one girl.

~Si

Ukrainedate is a cupidmedia site.  They are USA (bay area) based and have ethnic/nationality based sites for tons of countries.  they supposedly use some kind of algorithm to weed out mass mailing scammers.  I had a profile there for a while and found the ladies to be sincere, with their own computers etc... however.. their always seemed to be a lot more men signed on than ladies and too many of the ladies did not have enough computer power to use the free chat feature which was the main reason I tried it in the first place.

There are lots of reasons a lady might have deleted her profile.  This site is not free for the ladies, they pay the same as the men do.  A lady may have found a small number of potential men and decided to move off the site.  I do not see red flags here.

[Sculpto]

BTW, when I was using that site I became somewhat interested in a lady from Kharkov.  I started searching info about Kharkov and through a Russian language portal found a local Kharkov speed dating club, 50 Griv for the ladies and 100 for the men.. guaranteed to meet ten in two hours and they were having events twice a week in what was billed as the nicest club in Kharkov...  Imagine how much extra attention a foreign man would get in such a scenario.. language could be an issue though.

Think about that gentleman.. I am sure such things exist all over in the big cities.  Search in Russian, use google or some other translator and see what interesting things you might find.

[jdk1963]

There are lots of reasons a lady might have deleted her profile.  This site is not free for the ladies, they pay the same as the men do.  A lady may have found a small number of potential men and decided to move off the site.  I do not see red flags here.

Actually there is a free membership and the free members can email or chat with the paying members.  This was a wise move on cupidmedia's part. 

There are other things that stick out and dumping the profile that early is just one flag.  I've suggested we talk by phone and gotten no response.  I've hinted that Valentine's Day is near and if I had an address I could send flowers and gotten no response.  Declaring their undying love after a few emails.

[Daveman]

Actually there is a free membership and the free members can email or chat with the paying members.  This was a wise move on cupidmedia's part. 

There are other things that stick out and dumping the profile that early is just one flag.  I've suggested we talk by phone and gotten no response.  I've hinted that Valentine's Day is near and if I had an address I could send flowers and gotten no response.  Declaring their undying love after a few emails.

Deleting the profile quickly is a definite red flagger, Not a complete guilty verdict, but should make anyone immediately say WHOA!  She might hide her profile after you've been corresponding for a while and have definite plans to meet.  The last sentence, though, is the dead giveaway every time.  It's absolute nonsense for someone to have that behavior unless the are slightly crossing the border to insanity. 

It is possible for them to fall in love with a photo as well, and sometimes the big dreams can cause them to be more emotional in letters, but that would be after a period of serious communication, speaking on the phone, etc, not from 4-5 emails.  So, I would say with 99.999999999% certainty they are scammers, with 0.000000001% chance that they totally insane. So either way, that's 100% gitdafookouttadodge pardner.   

[jdk1963]

At this point it is only exchanging emails.  So I do not see the harm in exchanging emails.  They are having to waste their time on me expecting a payoff. 

Another tipoff is that they claim at some point that they do not speak, read or write English and pay for translation services.  What rational woman does that when they can go to an honest agency and get it done for free (on the man's dime anyway). 

[Sculpto]

Ahh.. there yo go.. paying for translation services.. RED FLAG... old scam.. if you want to waste your time go for it but now that you have said they mentioned translation services the cat is out of the bag.  In fact.. just send them the link to the google translator... its not perfect but if you use it carefully it can work pretty well.  See how they react.. of course their "translator" (yuri) will not let that message get through in the .001% chance they are real.

[daveyj]

I've had a couple of Ukrainian women from Elena's suggest early on that we meet in person rather than a lengthy email campaign.  But they both wanted to meet outside the Ukraine, which seemed to me like an obvious request for a free vacation.  I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt and say that they are not pure scammers, since neither of them made any promises of undying love.

However a quick back of an envelope calculation shows that even a bargain basement vacation for two in a Ukraine visa accessible location is likely to run $4k+ (airfare, accomodation, etc).  Even if these ladies had a genuine interest in me, that seems like a hefty price tag for the company of someone I hardly know.   When one factors in the risk factor of being locked into a week (weekend? couple of days) with a possible psycho (or even if we simply don't like each other), it seems like such a no-brainer to say no.

But I'm sure that others have taken the bait.

[Daveman]

I've had a couple of Ukrainian women from Elena's suggest early on that we meet in person rather than a lengthy email campaign.  But they both wanted to meet outside the Ukraine, which seemed to me like an obvious request for a free vacation.  I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt and say that they are not pure scammers, since neither of them made any promises of undying love.

Yeah, you gotta watch out for the trip whores.  I wouldn't say they are numerous on Elenas, but since EM cans anyone who is reported to request money, the 'free trip' syndrome is fairly common.  Not speaking of a woman with whom someone has communicated for some time suggesting a different city for her own protection, but rather the country jumpers.  Caveat Emptor for sure.

However a quick back of an envelope calculation shows that even a bargain basement vacation for two in a Ukraine visa accessible location is likely to run $4k+ (airfare, accomodation, etc).  Even if these ladies had a genuine interest in me, that seems like a hefty price tag for the company of someone I hardly know.   When one factors in the risk factor of being locked into a week (weekend? couple of days) with a possible psycho (or even if we simply don't like each other), it seems like such a no-brainer to say no.

But I'm sure that others have taken the bait.

I have spoken with a couple vampires (when I was there)  who actually bragged about how easy it is to get a foreign fool to take them on a trip.  One actually showed me her passport with stamps coming out the ying yang, and she really isn't all that attractive.  I have to admit I was in awe. Simply amazing how stupid some people can be when chasing a succubus.  I can't imagine taking a woman I really know absolutely nothing about on a trip to anywhere.  Well, I can imagine it, but when I do, it's usually Sherilyn Fenn. 

[ScottinCrimea]

Okay, I had to take the bait and look up Sherilyn Fenn.  Not a bad choice for a fantasy and definitely "perky".

[jdk1963]

Well, one of the ladies has decided that we should discuss sex as we are "building" a relationship.  Now I could be an ass and go off on a sexual rampage but instead I just told "her" that I was not comfortable discussing sex with someone I have not met.

It looks like the plan is to get me so hot and horny that I'll fork over the cash with the promise of hot times.

Something rather amusing.  With every email I get a series of pictures.  All very well organized into numbered sets.  I am up to set 7.

[GoodOlBoy]

Something rather amusing.  With every email I get a series of pictures.   All very well organized into numbered sets.  I am up to set 7.

Ah....come on man, now you are teasing us!  

Can we see one or two pic's? 


GOB

[jdk1963]

I am not sure about this but why not!  Maybe someone else has had correspondence with her.

[SANDRO43]

I am not sure about this but why not!  Maybe someone else has had correspondence with her.

Is she a member of some Italian Olympic fettuccine team ?

[Vinnvinny]

However a quick back of an envelope calculation shows that even a bargain basement vacation for two in a Ukraine visa accessible location is likely to run $4k+ (airfare, accomodation, etc).  Even if these ladies had a genuine interest in me, that seems like a hefty price tag for the company of someone I hardly know.  

Just before xmas I paid $1,400 for a week in Sharm el Sheikh (Egypt). That was for 2 people, half board at a decent 4* hotel and included flights. If one of your ladies is drop dead gorgeous then perhaps it's worth a re-think? 

[daveyj]

Just before xmas I paid $1,400 for a week in Sharm el Sheikh (Egypt). That was for 2 people, half board at a decent 4* hotel and included flights. If one of your ladies is drop dead gorgeous then perhaps it's worth a re-think? 

The first I haven't spoken to for a few months.

As for the second, well unfortunetly my lady had more expensive tastes, and required France, Italy or Hungary.  Since I'm visiting Europe for business next month I decided to give her the benefit of the doubt and suggested we meet first in Kiev. (She lives in a different Ukraine city).

Here is her response:
"It is not! We will not meet! For meeting with me you have one chance only! To invite me to meet in other country- in Europe, pay flight, hotel and visa!  So good luck!"

After which she also deleted all of my prior messages to her (as shown by the EM system).

Gosh darn.  I guess I ruined my one chance.