Cultural: Sex in Ukraine Society

[Bruno]

Bingo... JB, you make a perfect post...

Sex with RW of Ukrainian woman have nothing to make with nationality... it is only a personal choice... and we are all individual who try to build a couple...

[Albert]

jb says: "Trust me on this, if two people love each other, they will be sexually compatible. While it's a lot of fun, there's really no need to think about pre-marriage sex as a requirement to discover compatibility between a man and a woman. "

I not only don't trust you on this, I strongly disagree with you.  Sexual compatibility has nothing to do with love.  Two people can love each other more than imaginable and still be sexually incompatible.  They can work and work and work at it and love each other very much and never reach sexual compatibility.  On the other hand, two people can be sexually compatible and not even be close to being in love.

Premarital sex is absolutely necessary to test the compatibility issue.  But a few times will not be enough.  Sometimes incompatibilites do not show up for several months because one or both parties can be faking certain things, pretending they enjoy some things that they actually don't, pretending they like the frequency (in either direction) when they don't,  etc.  But sooner or later, these incompatibilities, if they exist, will raise their heads.

Since it can take several months, there are always risks involved in tying the knot.  There are risks from several other variables also, of course.

And yes, some guys talk about sex all the time because they aren't getting any.  But others talk about sex all the time because they have far above average sex drives.  It is actually a curse.  You will never know which set a particular guy is in until you talk to the women in his life.

One of my current gals told me she is now totally confused about the issue.  She was on a cruise with several couples a couple of years ago.  One guy kept talking about sex all the time, even had books about it that he quoted at the dinner table etc.  One gal told my gal she thought he was very sexy and probably very good in bed.  My gal said guys who talk about sex are not good at it.  So finally, they asked his Ukrainian girlfriend.  She said he did it very seldom and was too fast about it when they did.

But then my gal found out that I really did like to do it a lot and she thinks I am very good at it, so it shot down her radar since I talk about it a lot also.  Of course I can be lying about all of this.

[jb]

Of course I can be lying about all of this.

You really don't want an opinion on this, do you?:?:?

[jb]

Well,,, Bruno agrees with me, and you know the true test of another man's intelligence is how much he agrees with you...

Therefore, I think Bruno is a very smart guy.

Albert, we need to talk more....:cool:

[BC]

albert,

As long as everything is functional and not talking about extreme frigidity (which would be likely noted beforehand) I tend to agree with jb on this one.

In almost all of my relationships the first experiences were vastly different than the last. Actually a good part of the fun and excitement in a growing relationship is exploring new horizons together..

I personally would much prefer watching a rosebud bloom than watch a rose wilt.  

[jb]

Having had a few hours to think this one through a bit, I want to address albert's comment regarding the NEED for premaritial sex.  There is a huge difference between lasting love and that thing you all look for called "chemistry" between a man and a woman when they first meet.  Chemistry is little more than unbridled lust, she looks good, he looks cute, they both feel the urge to jump somebody's bones.  What you are experiencing is novelty, a new pair of tits to play with for the guy, a new boy toy for the woman, this is not lasting love, don't kid yourself.  The newness will wear off and you are left with two people who don't really know each other and may not like what they discover when she finally learns enough English to be understood.  

This is the problem I've always had with the one week/one trip wonders.  Now there is another aspect to this, men get complaisant.  It is our nature to be so.  If a marriage results from a one week/one trip episode, the man is likely to be reasonably happy as long as the wife doesn't nag too much, doesn't make too many demands on his time, as long as dinner is semi-tasty, as long as the house is kept reasonably clean and orderly, as long as she doesn't gain too much weight and stays attractive, and he can convince himself that he's in love.  The woman is, however more practical and pragmatic in her outlook, if she's not in love for real, all of those bad things listed above will become the order of the day and the man will be miserable in a very short time.  Thus you have chemistry/lust being mistaken for love and a train wreck is the result.

Of course this is only my opinion, YMMV.

[jb]

BC,

LOL, I guess we were typing at the same time.

[BC]

BC,

LOL, I guess we were typing at the same time.

Yes jb with similar thoughts I see

Funny, when I started out on the old board two and a half years ago I kept thinking to myself "jb.. boy he sure can be an @$$OL"

..How much things change with a little time

[jb]

Yeah.....BC,

Many newbies do think I'm an a-hole as I've tried to shine a little light into those dark corners, but those that make it to the Altar with a Russian, after being married a few months to a RW seem to start thinking along much the same lines as I do.

[Muzh]

I have always been told that Ukrainian girls were much easier then Russians.  Of course my source of information was Russian women.  LOL.  I have even heard a joke about how a man could expect to get sex from a Ukrainian girl on the first date.  Now, I do not have experience with UK girls and no one should speak about their wives.......but inquiring minds need to know.

KenC

 

Funny Ken, Ukrainian women say the same about Russian ladies.  I know both UA and RUS ladies and to me they are all gorgeous, however, I'm not starting no damn survey.

[Muzh]

Prior to 1991, probably 99% of the girls getting married were virgins, it was the State approved lifestyle.

 

JB:

You probably never heard of the term "up with the periscope."  As I was told, back in the Soyuz days the young'uns would fing a dark spot, usually a stairwell and the guy would go behind the girl doggie style while the girl would keep vigil for incoming residents, ergo, up with the periscope.

[Muzh]

When I was young and stupid I loved British sports cars, back then a XKE-150 Jag was a babe magnet, trying to get laid in one was an act of total insanity, but we did it.

 

JB:

You think you had it tough???  I had a Triumph Spitfire.

[jb]

I had a Triumph Spitfire.

Now that would be an act of total cooperation.

[Muzh]

I had a Triumph Spitfire.

Now that would be an act of total cooperation.[/quote]
Besides an act of insanity, yes I agree there was a LOT of cooperation.