Police and divorce documents in Moscow

[sideskraft]

My fiancee is a Ukrainian citizen now living in Kyiv, and she needs to obtain some documents for her interview.  Per the following from KEV-1 Instructions, she must obtain and present Police Certificates from any place she has resided (for at least 6 months) since age 16:

•   3. POLICE CERTIFICATES:
Applicants aged 16 years and older must submit a police certificate from the country of nationality and the country of residence at the time of visa application, if the applicant has resided there for six months or more. (For example, an 18 year old Russian citizen residing in Ukraine must present a police certificate both from Russia and Ukraine).
Police certificates are also required from all other countries where the immigrant visa applicant has resided for one year or more after the age of 16 including the republics of the former USSR. Fiancée visa applicants must present a police certificate from all countries where they resided for 6 months or more after the age of 16.

The problem is that she lived in Moscow from age 18 through 23 (she's now 45), so she must obtain a Police Certificate from Moscow, but she has no idea where or how she can obtain this document.  Additionally, she was married and divorced in Moscow during that period, so she must also get the Marriage Certificate from some agency there, but she doesn't know where (she has her divorce certificate already that she obtained in Ukraine).  Apparently she also needs to get Police Certificates from Lugansk and Kyiv, since she has lived in both cities for at least 6 months.

Any assistance in locating and contacting the proper agencies in Moscow for the Police and Marriage certificates would be greatly appreciated.

[SMS60]

I would start with the Russian Embassy in Ukraine. I dont want to give you doom and gloom but getting the report in a timely fashion could be a problem.

I dont know about the marriage certificate??? If she has the divorce certificate that will negate the marriage one. If you follow.

If your petition is at the Embassy the "free to marry" should already be established by the USCIS.

I think if you presented "copies" of divorce certificates to USCIS, they might want to see originals from her at the embassy?

I strongly suggest reading visajourney.com when you have time. You will need alot of the information down the road ( AOS)

[ScottinCrimea]

My wife is Ukrainian.  When she obtained her divorce she had to surrender her marriage certificate so wasn't able to provide a copy.  IIRC we just mentioned that in the petition and there was no problem.  It wasn't brought up at the embassy as I'm sure that they understand this.

As far as getting police certificates from everywhere she has lived, unless she was married/divorced/had kids/attended school, etc.  in another country as yours did, unless you mention it in the peition they have no way of verifying where she did and didn't live.

[sideskraft]

Scott, the Divorce Certificate she had translated (for the I-129F petition) states clearly that the divorce was registered in Moscow, so it's obvious that she resided there.  As you stated with your wife, my fiancee had to also surrender her Marriage Certificate when she was divorced.  SMS60, the Marriage Certificate is required because it has her maiden name, and she must have a Police Certificate under BOTH her maiden and married names (two separate certificates as I understand) from Moscow, since she used both names while she resided there.  I like your idea of visiting the Russian Embassy in Kyiv -- they should be able to provide some assistance/direction in obtaining the Police and Marriage documents.  Everything has gone smoothly up to this point -- we didn't realize that she would require these additional documents for her interview, which it appears could require significant effort to obtain.

[ScottinCrimea]

Of course she must reveal residence in Moscow.  That's why I provided a conditional response.  She doesn't need the marriage certificate.  Her birth certificate has her maiden name and her divorce certificate has her married name. I just checked my wife's divorce papers and it doesn't mention her maiden name.

Good luck with obtaining the certificates.  I know it must be frustrating to just realize now that you need these and hopefully it won't cause much of a delay.  I know that with both my wife and with her daughter we were able to get the police cedrtificate in less than 10 days by paying a 50 hrv "expediting fee".

[sideskraft]

She was only in Moscow from age 18 to 23 (to go to university), and she was born in Ukraine, so I don't see it as a big deal from the Embassy's perspective.  We plan to go to Russia anyway to visit her brother (train Kyiv-Moscow and plane to Chelyabinsk) after the interview, so if the interviewer is a stickler and requires the police documents from that time, we can get them when we're in Moscow.  I sincerely doubt they will go into that level of detail, particularly since I'll be with her, and she's now 45 and owns her own business with a spotless record.  She'll get police reports from Lugansk and Kyiv, that should suffice.

[Muckraker]

Sideskraft,

You can apply for the police certificates through the Russian embassy in Ukraine (their consular section).  It will take six months.  If you read about 30 days, forget it.

Or, you can have an "agent" obtain the certificates on her behalf.  It won't be cheap though.  But more like 30 days. See this link for example. http://www.rctccorp.com/police-clearance/russia_police_clearance.html

It isn't a question of being a stickler.  US law requires them.  They need to confirm her eligibility for the visa. They are available, you just have to pay. I guess it comes down to when you want to pay; before or after? Getting them in Moscow on a side trip could be a problem.  For one, she doesn't have propiska there.  For two, she doesn't have a Russian passport.  There will be "complications"...

A few more links on the subject.

http://www.mvd.ru/struct/3441/3451/

http://www.rg.ru/oficial/doc/min_and_vedom/mvd/965.shtm

Muck

[OlgaH]

The problem is that she lived in Moscow from age 18 through 23 (she's now 45), so she must obtain a Police Certificate from Moscow, but she has no idea where or how she can obtain this document. 

In Russian:

A Police Certificate from Russia for people who live outside Russia

(through a Russian consulate)

Если вы проживаете за пределами России, то справку о несудимости на территории России можете получить двумя способами:

    * Обратиться в дипломатическое представительство или консульское учреждение Российской Федерации. В этом случае запрос будет направлен через Министерство иностранных дел Российской Федерации. Сроки получения справки зависят от расторопности участников цепочки «консульство – МИД – ГИАЦ» и могут достигать шести месяцев. Перечень дипломатических представительств и консульских учреждений можно посмотреть на сайте Министерства иностранных дел:

http://www.greencard.by/services/certificates/russia/


A Police Certificate from Ukraine
http://www.greencard.by/services/certificates/ukraine/

[Sailor291]

My in-laws had to get the same thing for their immigrant visas a couple of years ago.  They went to the Russian Embassy in Kiev and for a very small fee, filled out a form and in less than 30 days they had the required police documents.  They had lived in the Russian far East over 30 years ago.  The Russian officials were very nice and helpfull, much more so I must add than the U.S. officials were to them.  I was very angry at how they were treated at the embassy in Kiev.  But the bottom line to this response is that they got the police certificates with little difficulty.

[AnastassiaAsh]

She will have to find a local Informational Center and go from there, or send a request to Moscow.

Some useful links:

http://www.russian-fiancee.com/rus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21595&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=%F1%EF%F0%E0%E2%EA%E0++%EC%E8%EB%E8%F6%E8%E8&start=0

www.ulitka.com/forums/я_выиграл_лотерею_green_card/Где_получить_справку_из_милиции_в_России-22170.html

[Tamara]

To obtain police certificate she needs to contact either local Russian Embassy or Russian Consulate.  They will guide her through the process. Good luck!