Cold Feet, Any Clues?

[mies]

You know, I just don't understand the obsession or anit-obsession with sex on the forum. 

it's not an obsession. And it has nothing to do with the nationality or country of origin of a male. I dislike men of any origin if they tell women they are interested in marriage while they only want sex. I dislike such men even more when they tell same lies to several women simultaneously, and no woman knows of the other "female rivals". If man wants sex - there are multiple women who also seek sex - prostitutes or not. It's just not fair wasting the time of family-oriented women, making/letting them fall in love with you, enjoying the feeling of being loved and lying to them. I agree that it's much more convenient to lure women into the "true love" story and get extra benefits of being loved while saving money (often needed to pay for quality sex).

[Daveman]

it's not an obsession. And it has nothing to do with the nationality or country of origin of a male. I dislike men of any origin if they tell women they are interested in marriage while they only want sex. I dislike such men even more when they tell same lies to several women simultaneously, and no woman knows of the other "female rivals". If man wants sex - there are multiple women who also seek sex - prostitutes or not. It's just not fair wasting the time of family-oriented women, making/letting them fall in love with you, enjoying the feeling of being loved and lying to them. I agree that it's much more convenient to lure women into the "true love" story and get extra benefits of being loved while saving money (often needed to pay for quality sex).

perhaps it's not an obsession with YOU, but do some searches on the board... you'll see quickly that it's an all too often, ridiculously recurring negatively portrayed subject which really is no ones business aside from the people involved.

I understand your point, Mies, and I would agree there if he did in fact tell them he is interested in marriage while in reality only being interested in sex.  I don't see evidence of that -- and about the falling 'deeply in love' aspect..  only SHE knows whether she is or not.  He could be completely misreading the signals.  Who knows?

Okay, let me pose the sexual aspect question a little differently...

Has anyone here ever gone on a WOVO visit for more than three days, with a woman who is not overly religious, where the lady did NOT want to have sex as a normal course of the visit?  I mean really, talk about unambiguous signals. 

I mean, I'd sure love to think "I'm all that", but as much as I would love to believe so, my guess is that FSU ladies are just more relaxed about the normality of sex and merely expect it as part of a budding relationship.

[Gator]

Not a small number of these RW love sex as much as men, a few moreso.  God bless their sweet, hungry souls.

[Ade]

perhaps it's not an obsession with YOU, but do some searches on the board... you'll see quickly that it's an all too often, ridiculously recurring negatively portrayed subject which really is no ones business aside from the people involved.

I understand your point, Mies, and I would agree there if he did in fact tell them he is interested in marriage while in reality only being interested in sex.  I don't see evidence of that -- and about the falling 'deeply in love' aspect..  only SHE knows whether she is or not.  He could be completely misreading the signals.  Who knows?

It's not about the sex it's about;

1) raising false expectations in these women; take a read of his TR again if you can stomach them. At the very least, talking of pre-nups with these women will undoubtedly lead them to think that there are marriage possibilities.

2) keeping them hanging on with false hopes when he has no intention of marrying them while he's off fcuking around with others. You heard what he said about how they still email him "love letters" and he hasn't even told the woman that was apparently "too religious" that he's moved on.

The man, if we can call him that, is disgusting and his words scream to me that has little or no respect for women. From what he's said I doubt if he has respect for anyone unless they have several millions in their bank account.

[Daveman]

Not a small number of these RW love sex as much as men, a few moreso.  God bless their sweet, hungry souls.

 

Amen!

[Daveman]

It's not about the sex it's about;

1) raising false expectations in these women; take a read of his TR again if you can stomach them. At the very least, talking of pre-nups with these women will undoubtedly lead them to think that there are marriage possibilities.

2) keeping them hanging on with false hopes when he has no intention of marrying them while he's off fcuking around with others. You heard what he said about how they still email him "love letters" and he hasn't even told the woman that was apparently "too religious" that he's moved on.

The man, if we can call him that, is disgusting and his words scream to me that has little or no respect for women. From what he's said I doubt if he has respect for anyone unless they have several millions in their bank account.

SJ, I'm not crazy about many aspects of of the methodology, or whatever, either.  The main point I was getting at is that the term "sex tourist" is misused and overused to the point where it really ceases to have real contextual validity.  I just don't see how it really applies here.

The aspects with which everyone seems to have problems appear to have occurred in the postgasmic phase.

I have no issue with anyone calling a spade a spade, but being a spade doesn't make one a sex tourist (though I bet those oddly shaped custom condoms must be quite difficult to acquire!   :evil: )

[docetae]

Method used by ambach is deceptive marketing, it has nothing to do with sex...:

To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

[GoodOlBoy]

....I dislike men of any origin if they tell women they are interested in marriage while they only want sex. I dislike such men even more when they tell same lies to several women simultaneously, and no woman knows of the other "female rivals".

I agree Mies...Sex tourists are only after one thing...SEX.

They may do it under the guise of "love" or "marriage" (acceptable buzzwords) in their posting's here on RWD. But this is only a "red herring" or psychological manipulation by these creeps which allows the other members on this forum to swallow this repulsive douchebag's stories about his sexual conquests.

You can put a dress on a pig, lipstick and perfume, but when it's all said and done you still have a pig (sex tourist).

I guess what really gets under my skin is NEWBIES coming on RWD and reading this perverse (sex tourist's) propaganda and thinking that all of the members here accept or maybe even participate in this sick fu*k's fantasy. 

Which for me, is FAR from the truth. I am totally repulsed and disgusted when I read this crap.

And another thing, not all sex tourist's want to post this behavior in public (thank God). No, there only seems to be a handful here on RWD who want to go public and revel on about their self-gratifying sickness.

I have read many hours about sex tourists and their motivations/justifications for their behavior's: Mommy didn't hold them enough when they were babies, Molested by young female babysitters, etc. etc.

I have also read about many MO's, excuses and symptoms: Sexual addiction, Obsessed with pornography and masturbation, Lewd and lascivious acts such as "peeping through the neighbors bedroom windows", Feeling in complete control of their "victims" when visiting a foreign country, etc. etc.

But you know what, when you parse through all of the psychobabble and excuses it is really only about two thing's....the sex tourist getting "his" SEX.....and the "victims" that he leaves behind.


GOB

[Gator]

From my perspective I do not think Ambach is a sex tourist.  Why?  He does not get enough sex to be a sex tourist.  Docetae's suggestion of deceptive marketing is closer to the fact.

Do not take my comment as Ambach's defense.  His faults are worse than sex tourism.  Where do I start?  First, how about self aggrandizing.  Next, solipsistic (self-absorbed).  Also, he is small-minded.  Regarding social relationships, he can not add 2 + 2, a flaw exacerbated by his caprice.   For sure he has no grasp on what love means. 

I initially gave him high marks for his ability to take abuse, yet I now realize that not true based upon his post in Scott’s thread.  His post there did it for me.  Groovlstk, what else is included in being a “douche bag?”

[ScottinCrimea]

I don't think we can define ambach necessarily as a sex tourist.  It's not so much the sex he in after as it is the building up of his low self esteem.  He needs to prove to himself that he is better than he truly feels he is by bragging about his money or by hearing someone tell him that they are deeply in love with him.  The motivations for such statements are irrevelant to him.  Deep down he probably realizes that this "love" is not so much based on who he is, but what he has, but to admit to this would drive his self esteem down even further.

So it's not really about the sex, it is about the sense of control he has in the act and the sense that he is desired in some form.

I think we could best label him as a "self grandization" tourist, but there really isn't much difference.  In the end it's all about him and his wants and needs.  Those of the women he uses are irrevelant.

[catzenmouse]

What? Do you mean that Ambach is not the great super rich hero he proclaims himself to be?

I am crushed!

Paint the big red "L" on his forehead as that is what he has shown he is from the beginning with his lies that he never responded to when he was called on them.

[OlgaH]

Not a small number of these RW love sex as much as men, a few moreso.  God bless their sweet, hungry souls.

Perhaps it's the cold climate, the vodka or the beautiful women. A new global survey has revealed that Russians enjoy the most active sex lives in the world, with more sex and more partners than anyone else, except for the Austrians.

[youtube=425,350]GafXsAr3DFk&feature=channel_page[/youtube]

[ScottinCrimea]

Maybe someone can help me out with this.  Recently, whenever I click on a YOuTube video on this site, I get the message "sorry, this video is no longer available".  I didn't think much of it the first dcouple of times, but it is EVERY time.  Is there something I need to adjust with my settings?

[Daveman]

Thanks Olga!

quoting the quote:
Perhaps it's the cold climate, the vodka or the beautiful women. A new global survey has revealed that Russians enjoy the most active sex lives in the world, with more sex and more partners than anyone else, except for the Austrians.

Ahhh, I knew I was in this RW pursuit for all the right reasons... my next trip will need to have a substantial layover (no pun intended, oh who am I kidding, pun definitely intended) in Vienna! 

 :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

Scott: Hmmm, not sure about the youTube problem.  I'm seeing the embedded video just fine. Try updating to the latest flash player if you haven't already.

[Diplomacy]

I want a recount, I never got to vote.  Looks like Putin, stuffed the ....

[PeeWee]

The thing that annoys me is that on this Board, there are numerous people who never read the original post, they make personal insults. Some truly do not comprehend what they read in the opening post.



By the way, we may decide to meet in Budapest, I don't know how easy it is for Russians/ Ukrainians to get a visa? She is checking. Does anyone know?

Google usually knows. Most Russians/Ukrainians know where they can and cannot go without visa or a lot of extra effort involved. Why not stick with the easy such as; Egypt, Cyprus, Cuba, Jamaica, Morroco, Israel (of late), Thailand, Hong Kong...so many place to see and be that might be more interesting than Budapest is.

peewee

[ambach123]

Here is an update.

We met for ten days in Turkey at the Kemer resort . Very nice place. It was a very nice meeting.
With a WOVO, you always worry about the downside risk, this one turned out to be even better than either of us thought. The biggest problem is that you are locked in for ten days, if you don't like each other you have nowhere to go.

We plan to meet again next month, again in a resort in Turkey. She is making arrangements, she says " We don't need to stay in such an expensive place, any reasonable place on the beach would be fine". We were at a five star place. Refreshing to hear a RW who appears to be frugal. Usually they want to empty out your wallet.

We discussed a lot of things, including a prenup, she was OK with that.

My major concern was that she may decline the visa again, she swore she would not do that.

She does not want to work full time in USA, either be full time mother or a part time job; I suggested I will buy her a beauty salon, not to work, just manage. She has a Masters degree in Business.

The RW/UW can be very loving and caring, specially for a man they care for, most guys who have experience would attest to that. I have never been treated better by a woman in more ways than one.

She was born and raised in Kiev. Once I wrote here, " I would never want to know a city girl from Kiev or Moscow"; never say never.

We did not have any language problem, she writes better English than me. She is completely fluent but has a thick accent that is not always easy to understand, but I am getting used to it.

So for now my search has ended, I have found what I was looking for.

With that said, my optimism is subdued, from the  many threads I have read here, finding one and marrying them is easy, maintaining a long term relationship is very difficult.

Any help would be appreciated.

[bobb]

... She is completely fluent but has a thick accent that is not always easy to understand.

What a struggle to 'hear' through a thick accent.  At times it can be almost be painful, and possibly lead to decreased levels of communication.

I have read/heard elsewhere that a thick accent can be caused from not truly studying and listening to the sounds of each individual letter.  My fiancee has a much softer accent than a good friend of hers who can speak much more English.  I have been complemented on my having a small accent when I have been to Russia.  I did spend much time listening to the sounds of each letter, and practicing - except when for - ee KrAtkayeh   I did manage to find a site where you could hear a true sound.  I'm not stating this as fact, it is just something I've read/heard in the past.

[kievstar]

Hi Ambach, I would suggest you meet her in her home city. If you already talking prenup, its time to meet the parents.

[GoodOlBoy]

Ambach, we all know how this is going to end. You will go to Tver, you will report back as to how you were enamored with the woman and how the sex was phenomenal, and then in a week or so after that you will coyly post a message asking for advice as to the next city you will visit. When asked why things did not work out with the woman from Tver you will tell us she was either too religious or not religious enough... 

Spot-on Misha!
(except for the Turkey part of his story).


GOB

[Gator]

Ambach,

Congratulations!  A serious man enjoys the moment when he think his searching days or over.

Listen to Kievstar.  After this next trip to Turkey (or somewhere else), go meet her family and friends (assume Kiev).  If she is serious, she will really want to introduce you to them.

Been to Turkey 4 times, Kemer twice.  Kemer is the best part of the Russian Riviera.  Stayed at the easternmost hotel.  More exclusive than the typical 5-star hotel, with about 40% European and only 60% Russian.  The hotel even had an ice show (Russian skaters of course).

I heard some English one evening at the piano bar and gravitated towards it.  A German couple - the man did his Master's at the London Business School and the wife studied at UCLA. 

They asked me, "What's the story about the number of Russians in our hotel?"  I answered that the percentage here is smaller than at other hotels.  I added that the Russians staying here have money, not filthy rich,  but plenty of discretionary spending money.  The man replied with a sneer, "It doesn't show." 

Turkey became really tedious by the fourth trip.

[Ade]

All I can say is that this is the third time I've heard a very similar story from Ambach.  His last 2 (or has it been 3?) were also "incredible" apparently.

So Ambach, first trip again and you're talking about buying businesses for her to run. Seriously dude, it's no wonder you can say, "I have never been treated better by a woman in more ways than one."

Do the other 2 (or 3) know yet that you're off poking another woman in Turkey or are you still stringing them along?

[SANDRO43]

I have read/heard elsewhere that a thick accent can be caused from not truly studying and listening to the sounds of each individual letter.  I did spend much time listening to the sounds of each letter, and practicing - except when for - ee KrAtkayeh   I did manage to find a site where you could hear a true sound.  I'm not stating this as fact, it is just something I've read/heard in the past.

Bobb, although practice of individual sounds - particularly unfamiliar Russian ones like щ and ы - is important, words are not pronounced correctly simply by stringing together a number of correct sounds, but as a single unit - not unlike a tune in music, which is more than just the sum of its constituent notes .

In the case of someone practicing English, this is further hampered by its high degree of unorthography, i.e. the mess of its erratic spelling (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=6383.msg116159#msg116159) . The only way is to listen carefully and trying to mimick, which also requires a discriminating ear.

[Aloe]

deleted my post, because Groovstk on the first page said everything much better than i did
i guess i'll read the entire thread before posting next time

[Mir]

We were at a five star place. Refreshing to hear a RW who appears to be frugal. Usually they want to empty out your wallet.

Having dated a few girls from Russia and Ukraine I have yet to come across any that wanted to empty my wallet.
Sure they are happy if you give them a present or two, wine and dine them and take them on holidays but they would never try to make you spend a lot of money on them.
Certainly this could be the case if she is a professional or a scamer, but these are not difficult to spot and eliminate.

BTW can I ask in what way do the Russian girls satisfy you that American girls cannot?