Bulgarian women

[Makkin]

  I was wondering if anyone has experience in Bulgaria women and Bulgaria travel? I've been talking for some time with a Bulgarian lady and am planning a trip to meet her.
  
  In my time here on the boards I've not seen or recall anyone going to Bulgaria???

Makkin

[Shadow]

I was in Bulgaria. But it will not help you as it was 30 years ago. 

[SANDRO43]

I don't know if that is good or bad, but Bulgaria seems to be the quietest of all former iron-curtain countries . Did you ever hear/read anything about the goings-on there over the past several years ?

[Sculpto]

Cant say much about Bulgaria, but, I have corresponded with one Romanian.  Very beautiful women.  The langauge is a lot easier for me than Russian.  At least on a construction site run by a Romanian here in SF I was able to understand amost every word he said.  He seemed to understand me pretty well when I spoke to him in Spanish.. anyway.. about the Romanian girls..

The one i liked the most turned out to be either a gold digger or a small time scammer.  I suspect her problems were real, but, she didn't hesitate to ask for $ when her problems got more serious.. medical issues she claimed.. when I said no sorry she got angry and stopped communicating.  Keep in mind that is only one experience. YMMV

I have the feeling Bulgaria is even more backwards.  I have heard the Bulgarian Black Sea coast is where Ukrianian students go for cheap vacations...

Isn't Bulgaria EU now?  And NATO?

[SANDRO43]

At least on a construction site run by a Romanian here in SF I was able to understand amost every word he said.  He seemed to understand me pretty well when I spoke to him in Spanish..

Romanian is a Latin-derived language: after Marcus Ulpius Traianus (Trajan) utterly defeated Decebalus in 106 AD, whatever Dacians were left alive and not captured/sold as slaves adjusted rather quickly to Roman ways and speech .

[Makkin]

  Thanks for the help and notice to Bulgarian women. I shall surely do a report of sorts on my return home and try to list similarities and differences.

  No Sando what's going on in Bulgaria???...Only thing I've heard is many men have a cursing problem associated with a well known disease called turretts..SP.

  Thanks

[Sculpto]

Romanian is a Latin-derived language: after Marcus Ulpius Traianus (Trajan) utterly defeated Decebalus in 106 AD, whatever Dacians were left alive and not captured/sold as slaves adjusted rather quickly to Roman ways and speech .

Sandro.. I hope you will not mind if I come and visit you some day. 

[SANDRO43]

  No Sando what's going on in Bulgaria???...Only thing I've heard is many men have a cursing problem associated with a well known disease called turretts..SP.

That'd be Tourette's syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome), I presume.

[SANDRO43]

Sandro.. I hope you will not mind if I come and visit you some day. 

Not at all, that'd be a pleasure: I'll start looking around for places suitable for your favourite leisure activity, preferably where fire brigades and public-decency patrols are not much in evidence .

[Sculpto]

Not at all, that'd be a pleasure: I'll start looking around for places suitable for your favourite leisure activity, preferably where fire brigades and public-decency patrols are not much in evidence .

LOL.. dont worry.. I know how to conduct myself when visiting.. but the truth is a trip to Italy is in the real future.  I made a point of not visiting Venice and Rome back in the 80s so I would be "forced" to visit Italy again, and of course in the intervening years I have learned so much more about Italy and have a long long list of places I would like to see...

[Wienerin]

Cant say much about Bulgaria, but, I have corresponded with one Romanian. ... about the Romanian girls..

... Keep in mind that is only one experience.
I have the feeling Bulgaria is even more backwards.  I have heard the Bulgarian Black Sea coast is where Ukrianian students go for cheap vacations...

Could you tell me, please, how your experience with one Romanian lead you to this magnificent non sequitur about Bulgaria being "even more backward"? Backward in what? Even more than what?

Bulgaria is a heartrendingly beautiful country with lots of history and culture and wonderful, warm and friendly people. Soviet and post-Soviet people loved Bulgarian resorts because they were much better than Russian|Ukrainian|Georgian places, and after the USSR collapse for some unfathomable reason they are cheaper than Crimean ones, while the Abkhasian ones are all but disfunctional with the smoldering ongoing conflict there. But the visitors from the former FSU are in minority now when the SU cannot force Bulgaria to submit so many resort packages and tours to the USSR. Even in the 70-80s there were plenty of Germans (Western as well as Eastern ones), now the Germans and Greeks are the most frequent visitors, with tourists from the other EU countries coming in strong too.

The communist rule was comparatively mild there, with no purges, persecution, very little state influence on everyday life, much more freedoms - I've brought books, magazines, have seen movies there that I wouldn't have had access to in the USSR, even in the Baltic states. Bulgarians were allowed to go to work abroad and could use their earnings to buy homes, good cars, imported furniture, etc. - with the state taking only normal taxes and profits of using the special hard currency and ruble accounts.

Fresh produce is unbelievable, wines and brandies very good, seafood abundant and ethnic food delicious.

They suffered the aftermath of the Soviet cooperation collapse, but the economy is on the steady rise and, anyway, I've not seen Bulgarians living in poverty and squalor, - they are frugal people, and with almost everything growing in your own backyard, life cannot be that bad

If someone is looking for Slavic types - like Russians, Ukrainians, Poles etc. - Bulgaria is the wrong place. Bulgarians are Mediterranian in appearance. Their culture is Slavic, but ethnically the Southern Slav people mixed first with the great migration of Turkic people from the Great Bulgar (on the Volga), then with the Ottomans. During 500 years of Ottoman rule I'd think some mixing was bound to happen.

There are many Turkish words in Bulgarian - mostly for the foods and plants that were brought by the Ottomans. The food is a very tasty product of the native Bulgarian and Turkish-Mediterranian cuisine. Lots of vegetables - stews and salads.

But to return to the women. Mostly on the swarthy side, slim, dark eyes and hair, calm and dignified, not assertive (500 years of Muslim rule, do not forget), wonderful housewives... We have a lot of Bulgarians here in Chicago, and they are the best housekeepers ever! In Bulgaria even in a poorest village you could eat off the floor.

If I were a man the only thing I'd have against Bulgarian women is a predilection to the rose oil - most of Bulgarian perfumes and cosmetics are based on it, and the smell is everywhere. I rather like it, but two of my boyfriends didn't ... vehemently.

Most Bulgarians know Russian - at least enough so that for tourists from the FSU not knowing the language wasn't ever a problem. I don't know about right now, but fromerly the other foreign language was apt to be French, not English or German. There are strong ties to France, big Bulgarian diasporah in Paris, most of the modern construction in Bulgaria was designed by French architects, even modfern technical terms are taken rather  from French not English as elsewhere.

Bulgaria is very comfortable to live in, very relaxed... And oh, so varied! From modern cities to historic ones, from high mountains with excellent world-class skiing to beautiful sand beaches and azure sea... all within at the most 4 hrs by train from each other

For the exotic-minded - they have still that ancient ritual, hot-coal dancing from time immemorial. I've known some tourists who wanted to do it - and did, with some preliminary training from the adepts of the art... Not for me to do it myself, but watching it is something!

[SANDRO43]

For the exotic-minded - they have still that ancient ritual, hot-coal dancing from time immemorial.

I bet Sculpto will put Italy on the back burner after learning that  . 

[Wienerin]

Here's a very good album http://good-times.webshots.com/album/432076675ifJDjG

[Sculpto]

I bet Sculpto will put Italy on the back burner after learning that  . 

stop teasing me Sandro.. LOL.. we walk on fire every May 1 in SF at the beach... unless it rains.. one year I think there must have been 10,000 beach bonfires.. really beautiful..

[Sculpto]

Could you tell me, please, how your experience with one Romanian lead you to this magnificent non sequitur about Bulgaria being "even more backward"? Backward in what? Even more than what?

Romania has been on a modernization path for a number of years and has become a center for technology outsourcing.  It is also getting hit hard by the credit crunch.. I understand they were giving away credit cards just a couple of years ago..  I have never heard of the same thing from Bulgaria.. in fact.. the only thing I have ever heard is exactly what you described.. very beautiful.. simple way of life.. nice place and a good place for broke Ukrainian students to go on holiday... if somehow my comments were taken as negative I apologize.. they weren't intended to be..

[Wienerin]

I bet Sculpto will put Italy on the back burner after learning that  . 

Why do you think I included this titbit? I've been both to the "real" performance in Strandzha and at a tourist attraction near the seaside. http://library.thinkquest.org/C0130033/introduction.html

One of the most magic places I've ever seen - Nesebr, a fairytale town on a small island. It's mostly Mediaeval, like Hanza cities on the Baltic, but there're some ancient ruins from the Classic times, including a delightful Apollo shrine.

[Wienerin]

Romania has been on a modernization path for a number of years and has become a center for technology outsourcing.  It is also getting hit hard by the credit crunch.. I understand they were giving away credit cards just a couple of years ago..  I have never heard of the same thing from Bulgaria.. in fact.. the only thing I have ever heard is exactly what you described.. very beautiful.. simple way of life.. nice place and a good place for broke Ukrainian students to go on holiday... if somehow my comments were taken as negative I apologize.. they weren't intended to be..

I've seen Romania last at the peak of its "prosperity" under Ciaushesku - and it was awful! A dirty dump. Bulgaria was civilized in every possible way - great universities, open to the world, esquisite craftsmen and sophisticated research facilities, world-famous linguistic school and great medical and pharmaceutical stuff, etc., etc., etc.

Simple way of life? Sure - in isolated mountain villages. Nothing so simple in Sofia, Plovdiv, Burgas, Varna, etc. Not sure what "broke Ukrainian students" would find there - it's not cheap as in "free". A country whose 50% of income comes from tourism won't be giving away much, I'd think.

Again, Romania is VERY different from Bulgaria, nothing in common - not history, not culture, not food, not religion, not attitude. Bulgaria was most emphatically a part of the Hellas, Romania - was not. Bulgaria was a part - culturally and religiously - of Byzantium (though it fought against the Empire - and successfully - a number of times), Romania was not. Etc., etc., etc.

Listen, I understand that it's mostly ignorance, but still... 

[Sculpto]

Why do you think I included this titbit? I've been both to the "real" performance in Strandzha and at a tourist attraction near the seaside. http://library.thinkquest.org/C0130033/introduction.html

One of the most magic places I've ever seen - Nesebr, a fairytale town on a small island. It's mostly Mediaeval, like Hanza cities on the Baltic, but there're some ancient ruins from the Classic times, including a delightful Apollo shrine.

cool link.  thanks!  I love this kind of stuff.

[Sculpto]

Listen, I understand that it's mostly ignorance, but still... 

you had me until this..

[Mir]

Romania is VERY different from Bulgaria

Yeah and the women must me different as well.much stronger physically. In the communist days Olampics the Bulgarian women used to win tons of medals in weight lifting while the Romanians could only manage puny gymnastics 
Hey Makin, ye who has abandoned FSU women for Bulgarians, be careful, she might snap you like a twig in anger or in passion 

[docetae]

I can not answer you about bulgarian women, but about travel yes, at least for sea resorts. Bulgaria is part of the EC and travel is extremely easy (but I have EC passport too..) , hotels are cheap (like turkey) but service is not good as in Turkey. The coast is totally damaged by buildings, hotels, etc... Like Turkey everyone has something to sell to you, but at least in Turkey they are not aggressive in their behavior...

Honestly, I did not liked the place at all. It was first time I took an all inclusive package and it will be the last time (despite it was in the best hotel of sunny beach).

[Shadow]

Yeah and the women must me different as well.much stronger physically. In the communist days Olampics the Bulgarian women used to win tons of medals in weight lifting while the Romanians could only manage puny gymnastics 
Hey Makin, ye who has abandoned FSU women for Bulgarians, be careful, she might snap you like a twig in anger or in passion 

Bulgaria is still strongly connected to Russia. Regarding the women (what I can remember as 13--year old boy) there were some good specimens walking around. Of course with the above mentioned abilities of RW.

[Makkin]

  My lady does not fit the weight lifter profile as she is very slim with the dark hair and dark eyes. Very nice looking indeed.

  I will travel there and meet and study the situation as to visit her for a week or two. There does seem to be a difference of sorts but I cannot completely put my finger on in.


   Thanks for all the information as it really helps.

    Weinerin that was a lot of good information....Thanks

Makkin

[ECOCKS]

I vacationed on the coast and found the area full of Russians, particularly on the northern stretch known as the Golden Beach or strip (something like that). Like Ukraine, unless you are going to pay an arm and a leg to go super high-end  we stayed in a 2 week apartment rental and had a wonderful time. The tourist crowd in the south tends to be more evenly mixed with a large percentage of Brits as well as other EU nationalities thrown into the pot. Apparently the British appetite for real estate had shifted over from the Med to the Black Sea since the agencies and RE advertisements often featured British flags and were printed in English. Prices were reasonable, restaurants were plentiful, beaches clean and sandy, the women attractive and the beaches were top optional.

I enjoyed it immensely.

[OlgaH]

I vacationed on the coast and found the area full of Russians, particularly on the northern stretch known as the Golden Beach or strip (something like that).

Crimea expects fall in number of tourists in 2009, says resort and tourism ministry.
He said that serious competition from Bulgaria, Turkey and Spain would cut the number of tourists in Crimea.
http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/37779