UW and a couple of Agency Questions?

[Noyrt]

I have been writing to one woman in Ukraine, I've been trying to break away from dealing with the agency, mainly because I like her, and its getting rediculous paying the fees to continue writing.  I have tried to get the woman to write outside the agency 'with internet cafe' etc.. but she seems reluctant to want to do this?

I first thought my address was edited out of the letters, but then to speak to her on the phone I understood she has it, but said she didn't have a computer.  (obviously)..   I've tried sending postal letters and even a little money to use the cafe'.   She seems to prefer using the agency  or doesn't want to go to the internet cafe???

Do the agencies pay a 'kickback' to the women to try to continue writing/ translations through the agency?  Thus keeping men trapped?

I have traveled to Ukraine before and visited many cities on my own (the hard  way) trying to meet women and used the agencies out of necessity generally paying $30 or so to get an address and arrange a meeting..

I know of them and their lack of caring for the accuracy of the women listed, and of course their lust for my $$.  But still now with the IMBRA crap, it is harder to write and make any initial contacts from the US without being trapped inside the agency services.

As for Pre-Travel:
I had better luck in getting women to accept I was sincere when I had first made contact before I traveled and wrote to them, (to meet primarily only one woman).  But to just arrive in country and try to arrange meetings from the agency after arrival... the women were much more into playing games, and thinking I was just another many looking to have fun and not be serious. I could not convince them otherwise.  I got used and abused.   

So it's a confusing situation to know which method is better.. 
Any opinions on how better to approach avoiding agencies and meeting women??

Sort of new to the list and still reading many posts...
Thanks  Noyrt..

[Vaughn]

A few questions, Noyrt:

When you say you've called her and sent postal letters - are these her home number and address? Or are
those contacts going through the agency also?

Has she responded with any postal letters of her own?

Sounds like a three-way call with Anastassia might be a good investment - to get to the core
of this lady's true intentions.

[GoodBrew]

Any opinions on how better to approach avoiding agencies and meeting women??

LuckyLovers, freepersonals.ru, icq, and newspaper ads are just some of your options.

       

[Chicagoguy]

I met my fiance on www.holostyak.com. And I also met suitable ladies on www.freepersonals.ru

These sites and the other methods just mentioned are not only free but you avoid IMBRA.

[tim 360]

Noryt,  Don't know which agency you are using but there are many ways to string you along and keep milking you for money "to use agency for communication".  To me it is not a good sign that she wants to only use the agency.  There are many internet cafes, even in small towns you will probably find one.   Also some girls have computers at work.  Some have one at home.  Something does not quite smell right with the "girl" you are writing to. 

[Gator]

Noryt,

Which agency are you using?  Some have a good reputation.  Some have a bad reputation of stringing you along at $5 per letter and $25 per short call.  That is why the 10 commandments advise you to communicate directly with the woman and not be filtered through an agency.

How well does your UW speak English?

BTW, some men have found their wonderful wives through the agencies with bad reputations, i. e., a bad agency does not equate to a bad woman.

[Sculpto]

I smell HRB/RLM in this one.  That is one of their games.. the girls are on contract with the agencies and are not allowed to communicate offsite.

[GoodOlBoy]

... the women were much more into playing games, and thinking I was just another many looking to have fun and not be serious. I could not convince them otherwise.  I got used and abused.   

Hello Noyrt.

What ages were these women ?


GOB

[Shadow]

I met my fiance on www.holostyak.com. And I also met suitable ladies on www.freepersonals.ru

These sites and the other methods just mentioned are not only free but you avoid IMBRA.

You do not avoid IMBRA by using any site where you pay for the service of contacting women. The site may avoid IMBRA (though they should comply for US customers), but its up to you to provide the women you contacted with the proper information.

[groovlstk]

But still now with the IMBRA crap, it is harder to write and make any initial contacts from the US without being trapped inside the agency services.

Don't know what you mean by this, but I met my wife via ICQ so we were not required to do anything under IMBRA. I stated up front in my cover letter when I submitted my K1 application that we did not meet through a marriage agency. We sailed right through, I had my NAO2 in less than three weeks.

[Chicagoguy]

Shadow

If the sites are free then you avoid IMBRA. I [ we ] just did it last week in Moscow.  That is why I mentioned those 2 sites. Maybe there are more ?

[Noyrt]

A few questions, Noyrt:

When you say you've called her and sent postal letters - are these her home number and address? Or are
those contacts going through the agency also?

Has she responded with any postal letters of her own?

Sounds like a three-way call with Anastassia might be a good investment - to get to the core
of this lady's true intentions.

-Her home number or cell # directly, not using agency 3 way...
-She has not responded directly with postal mail...

Note: I do hear excitement in her voice when I call, but communication is difficult and limited.

[Noyrt]

Noryt,  Don't know which agency you are using but there are many ways to string you along and keep milking you for money "to use agency for communication".  To me it is not a good sign that she wants to only use the agency. 

Agency is : Angelika.net   - I have asked questions directly with email to Oksana with the agency, but always her replies are general and no information is given about the specific agency in Zaporozhye. (affiliate)

In my last letter,  I asked her about helping to find apartments in her city.  Her reply was the ladies at the agency can help with apartments or hotel. 

She just doesn't seem to "get it" ... ?

[Noyrt]

I smell HRB/RLM in this one.  That is one of their games.. the girls are on contract with the agencies and are not allowed to communicate offsite.

What is HRB / RLM ???   The agency website is ANGELIKA.NET and I know many other agencies local in the cities use the same database..

[Noyrt]

Hello Noyrt.

What ages were these women ?


GOB

Mid 20's mostly...  A little young I know..But thats also my weakness,  I like 24-34 ish...
I know enough to stay away from 18-22's 

[Sculpto]

If it is an Angelika affiliate it means they are most likely part of the Ukrainian Marriage Agency Association or whatever the heck it is called.  That means they are going to do everything they can to milk you for money one way or the other.

My advice is forget about getting any support from her agency.  Don't ask your girl to arrange anything for you either as she is most likely under contract not to do it as it would interfere with profit making from her agency office.

Google the city she lives in with the word apartment.  You may not get the cheapest place but you will be free from her agency.  Do the same for interpretors and or see if any of the professional terps here on the forum can give you a referral for someone reliable in your girls city. 

Whatever you do stay as far away from her agency as possible.  Do not ask them for anything and do not accept anything they offer.  If the girl is really sincere and into you but is also a high dollar producer they will do everything in their power to interfere in your relationship and make sure she continues to be a cash cow for them. 

My advice comes from experience and extensive research.  Go see the girl, but, do not have too high hopes as you are dealing with a very organized and sophisticated group of people who can not be outright called scammers but have developed a very efficient method for screwing things up for you so they do not lose someone who is mking a lot of money for them.   

Oh, make sure you have a backup plan.

[TwoBitBandit]

I wouldn't really say that being an Angelika affiliate automatically means its a scam.

I've met girls from some of the Angelika agencies in different cities, and the quality of the service and level of ethics varies tremendously from agency to agency.

[Sculpto]

I wouldn't really say that being an Angelika affiliate automatically means its a scam.

I've met girls from some of the Angelika agencies in different cities, and the quality of the service and level of ethics varies tremendously from agency to agency.

I don't doubt what you say is true, but, why take the chance?  In my view it is much to costly in every aspect to risk it, especially when it is possible to take care of all the arrangements independently.

[Noyrt]

My advice comes from experience and extensive research.  Go see the girl, but, do not have too high hopes as you are dealing with a very organized and sophisticated group of people who can not be outright called scammers but have developed a very efficient method for screwing things up for you so they do not lose someone who is mking a lot of money for them.
Oh, make sure you have a backup plan.

Good Advice,, I think your right on track,, with how I am starting to see it...  Still it's hard to write her when I know all my letters go through the agency.. and their eyes.. So I have started writing less and calling at least every other week.. that seems better. but I miss her letters also..

Thanks,, I plan to visit her city and hope she is receptive to me and fight to avoid the agency..

I hope to make some other initial contacts in other cities as a Backup just in case she doesn't work out..  but still it seems the best women that I like are with the most difficult agencies.. 
Is that a coincidence?  I think not..

Take care.. Thanks,,Tryon

[Sculpto]

why aren't you using the free sites?

[Gator]

Noyrt,

Angelica is an affiliation of local agencies, similar to a multi-realtor listing service. 

I met my wife through Angelica by purchasing her address (among many) for $7 and sending her a letter via the local agency in Moscow (another $15 with photo).  I included my email addy in my letter.  She responded diretly via email, and away we went (no more fees paid to Angelica).

That was 2002, seven years ago.  And today your woman does not have access to internet cafe?  Noyrt, she does not pass the smell test.

By the way, there are many other agencies who offer the same Angelica catalogue of women.  All use the same search engine.  However, some are less expensive, and some provide more information about the woman's popularity.  Compare the bottom of the page of these two:


http://www.russian-women.net/ladies/bo5243.shtml

http://www.angelika.net/ladies/bo5243.shtml

This woman came up randomly (I do not spend all day gazing at RW with large breasts).  Now that she is here, I consider such women should be avoided like the plague.  She is 37, yet seeks men up to 75!  And she writes: "I want to take care of my husband." And all she wants in a man, other than not older than 75, is that he be "loyal, kind, caring, reliable and humorous."   This is unadulterated BS.

[GoodOlBoy]

This woman came up randomly (I do not spend all day gazing at RW with large breasts).  Now that she is here, I consider such women should be avoided like the plague.  She is 37, yet seeks men up to 75!  And she writes: "I want to take care of my husband." And all she wants in a man, other than not older than 75, is that he be "loyal, kind, caring, reliable and humorous."   This is unadulterated BS.

I have to agree with Gator about this lady.

But, I can only imagine what she would look like in a "nurses uniform" for that 75 year old guy!   :evil:

GOB